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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 3, 2019 19:22:50 GMT -5
 So here's a chart that might help with the 'Do players get paid fairly?' question. For reference, NFL players are guaranteed 47% of revenue, NBA between 49-51%, and NHL 50%. EDIT: It seems in reading the thread that these figures are only what was reported to MLB, meaning teams who own TV stations did not include profits there in these figures. So, if this is accurate, MLB players in 2017 received 44.8% of revenues not including local TV money. https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/7sq2j1/mlb_payroll_as_a_percentage_of_revenue_for_all_30/Thats weird that the Sox and Cubs have the exact same revenue, down to the penny..... |
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 24, 2018 5:21:30 GMT -5
Beltre was great and definitely could have changed how the team was constructed in 2011. Re-sign Beltre, keep Youk at 1st. Then they don’t trade for Gonzalez. Maybe keep Victor Martinez behind the plate instead of Saltalamacchia the next few years (although he moved to DH for Detroit). Then we still have Anthony Rizzo for future. Maybe those moves persuade them not to sign Crawford (baseball gods willing). More luck for ‘11 & ‘12? But, although a great player and I would have loved him in Boston a few years, he only played here for 1 year. Not in the original question of playing at least 4 years in Boston. He was not in Boston for four years, though he was a great player man.... |
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 23, 2018 14:38:06 GMT -5
Just get the dude.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 23, 2018 12:36:16 GMT -5
I would love for us to keep Kimbrel. Up until a couple weeks ago, I thought he was gone. Now, I think we may get a decent deal on him.
One thing of note on him: I think recent memory screws people's perception of how good this guy is. He is an all time great closer and aside from a few stats like his highest HR rate, I think he is as safe as any other FA pitcher out there.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 16, 2018 18:08:05 GMT -5
I've said this in the beginning of the thread... I would not rule out a trade. Its all relevant to how the staff is pitching, but if DD decides that he cannot resign him, for whatever reason, I would be fine with a trade if it gets us a young controllable pitcher, reliever and a prospect. I don't expect it, but I could understand it. I couldn't understand it at all if they did it. They clearly could contend for another championship next season so they're not going to trade their best pitcher and get worse for 2019. Some might not, like you. Its fine. I can. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 16, 2018 14:40:39 GMT -5
I've said this in the beginning of the thread... I would not rule out a trade. Its all relevant to how the staff is pitching, but if DD decides that he cannot resign him, for whatever reason, I would be fine with a trade if it gets us a young controllable pitcher, reliever and a prospect.
I don't expect it, but I could understand it.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 16, 2018 14:31:50 GMT -5
Got ya. I would not trade JBJ for him though. Not straight up; my original amended (to include A Bradley) post (and I don’t think anyone here really thinks the teams match up, since Bos is contending and AZ is rebuilding, so it’d be the reverse trade that would make sense), I included Kristian Robinson (huge tools, too-100 guy, Rookie ball) and Daulton Varsho, a 22-y/o catcher in high A. I don’t think trading JBJ makes sense unless they got an overpay in return with an MLB/near-ready piece. Idk what acquiring Archie Bradley alone would take; he’s got three years and figures to be worth about 4-5 WAR in that time (2.7 fWAR the past two), and paid about 1 WAR worth (about $10M considering arb raises. So you’re talking a fair amount of excess value, maybe $30M. I doubt he brings that back (that’s a top-100 prospect in the 50-75 range) because, unproven reliever, but AZ would probably ask for a strong return that I don’t think the Sox have/want to part with. Never know, though. I agree it might be more than we could/should give up. I definitely want Bradley. Unless the fantasy trade of "X" player is offered of course. 😎 |
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 16, 2018 14:29:09 GMT -5
Got ya. I would not trade JBJ for him though. I don't get why you'd trade for Bradley when the market is flush with very good relievers this offseason for whom you'd only need to pay money. And yes, I know what Dombrowski has said, but it seems to me that the org's strategy will be to sit back and let the RP market play out such that they can strike with a value proposition on one of those guys, and if that's the case, Dombrowski is saying all the right things you'd want him to say if that's the strategy. "No, we don't want to spend money on a high-end reliever... oh, your client really wants to sign with us? ... He has no other offers? ... well, let me see what I can swing..." You may be a bit misconstrued with my post. I said I would NOT trade Bradley. I agree with your post. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 15, 2018 13:46:19 GMT -5
What would it take to get Archie Bradley from Arz? He has, I think three years of control left. Not heard his name at all, but seems like an outside option in a trade.... UMass mentioned him as an alternative headliner when I laid out a possible JBJ trade with AZ. Makes a lot of sense, though I’m not sure the Sox have the redundant players good enough to get him without creating another hole elsewhere. Got ya. I would not trade JBJ for him though. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 14, 2018 18:20:07 GMT -5
What would it take to get Archie Bradley from Arz? He has, I think three years of control left. Not heard his name at all, but seems like an outside option in a trade....
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 14, 2018 13:26:57 GMT -5
I like Kimbrel, but I like Robertson too. Depending on the average per year and overall length each ask for, I may prefer Robertson. Especially if adding Robertson instead of Kimbrel means we could also add a 2nd RP of higher quality. I really hope we don't trade Porcello, as I've stated quite a bit. He is more valuable than I think some give him credit for. That said, I am aware of his contract situation. I would not be opposed to trading a Catcher for a RP either. I actually would prefer we do this. I love the rotation and want it to remain in tact. I like Wight in the pen. I like Johnson as the 6th man too. Between Sale, Price, E-Rod and Eovaldi, we will have starting opportunities to go around. For me: Kimbrel or Robertson, Braiser, Barnes, Hembree, Wright as locks with guys like Lakins, Workman, Velasquez, Feltman, Johnson, Thornburg, Brewer, Poyner, Taylor, etc rotating in throughout the year. Ottavino would be great too........ Ottavino makes a lot of sense. Plus it would be good to have someone to handle Babe Ruth, should some tear in the space-time continuum result in the Red Sox facing the Sultan of Swat in a close and late situation ( deadspin.com/no-offense-but-adam-ottavino-would-absolutely-wreck-th-1831018636 ). Yes, I agree. 😎 |
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 14, 2018 12:49:11 GMT -5
I like Kimbrel, but I like Robertson too. Depending on the average per year and overall length each ask for, I may prefer Robertson. Especially if adding Robertson instead of Kimbrel means we could also add a 2nd RP of higher quality.
I really hope we don't trade Porcello, as I've stated quite a bit. He is more valuable than I think some give him credit for. That said, I am aware of his contract situation.
I would not be opposed to trading a Catcher for a RP either. I actually would prefer we do this.
I love the rotation and want it to remain in tact. I like Wight in the pen. I like Johnson as the 6th man too. Between Sale, Price, E-Rod and Eovaldi, we will have starting opportunities to go around.
For me: Kimbrel or Robertson, Braiser, Barnes, Hembree, Wright as locks with guys like Lakins, Workman, Velasquez, Feltman, Johnson, Thornburg, Brewer, Poyner, Taylor, etc rotating in throughout the year.
Ottavino would be great too........
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 13, 2018 14:20:13 GMT -5
Thank you for the run Joe. I appreciate what you gave us. Enjoy LA.
He is replaceable at 8 mil plus per year. Lots of guys can pitch to a 4 plus ERA. Perhaps they'll achieve it differently, but others can get the job done.
Robertson and Ottavino are my next choices... though it will cost more than 8 plus to get either....
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 11, 2018 17:52:22 GMT -5
Man I hope trading those guys is just posturing.
On the other hand, if we are at $240 mil and they wish to stay in the low 240s, we cannot add any relivers unless it in a trade of some sort.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 6, 2018 19:52:37 GMT -5
Love the deal.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 27, 2018 17:25:54 GMT -5
I would 'take" Noah off the Mets hands for Porcello and a prospect.
I would not trade Devers as well.
If I was the Mets, I'd turn it down. But.... "I" am not the Mets, so maybe they do it, lol.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 25, 2018 12:36:47 GMT -5
I tried to read this entire thread, but it was pretty repetitive. Its not really a "Pearce vs Cron" thread as it is a "Pearce vs Cron/Pearce was over paid.... blah, blah, blah" thread.
I agree with most here in thinking this was a good deal for a player who fit in perfectly, loves being here, won a WS MPV and will not tie us up financially past 2019.
I do not think Cron is better, but if I did, who is to say how he would fit on the team here? There is an old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it".
My two cents...
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 19, 2018 7:51:08 GMT -5
I still think he would be a perfect closer. With his injury history, that would limit his innings. They're going to lose Kimbel and they have plenty of starters. 4/60 would work. Use Kimbel's $13 million to pay for it. Eck went from a decent starter to a HOF career in a closer role. That could work for EV. What's the down side? He is not signing anywhere as a closer. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 17, 2018 16:59:51 GMT -5
I really hope we can get him back.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 17, 2018 15:44:48 GMT -5
I really hope we keep Devers. He may have a break out next year after having a full year under his belt, plus he is cheap until like 2024. We need more cheap young guys like him in order to resign Betts, Sale, Bogey, Porcello, Barnes, etc....
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 17, 2018 6:09:45 GMT -5
I would welcome Robertson for sure
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 16, 2018 20:15:28 GMT -5
Sorry, but I did not like this post.... Edit: I mean I did, but perhaps by mistake. You can click it again to remove it. Mind blown. Thanks. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 16, 2018 20:13:46 GMT -5
What a great deal. So far so good this offseason, lol.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 16, 2018 16:55:06 GMT -5
Outside of that, is there any way we can get Goldschmidt by swallowing the Greinke contract? I don’t think it’s possible. Sorry, but I did not like this post.... Edit: I mean I did, but perhaps by mistake. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 16, 2018 16:22:12 GMT -5
If we look at the assets that were traded, excluding Shaw who was already up to the bigs, not many positives yet. Some of that is due to injuries - Kopech and Espinoza with TJ - but a quick inventory shows a lot of mundane numbers, so far at least. Kimbrel trade:Javy Guerra looks as if they sold high. He's done little since leaving the Sox system. Margot got off to a very slow start in 2018 and it didn't get much better in the second half. Asuaje is a useful piece, but really a utility guy. The prize here is probably Logan Allen. He made it to AAA at 21, the K rate is still over 9 per, and his WHIP is hovering around 1.0 - with only 110 hits in 148 innings! I have a feeling we'll be ruefully adding up his WAR as the years go on to total up the real cost. Sale Trade:Moncada led the league with 237 Ks which is just mind-boggling. He has some value, but it's not what we thought he'd be, certainly not what I thought he'd get to. There's still time, but he's got to find a way to reduce the K rate which sits at 1 out of every 3 at bats! Luis Alexander Basabe is coming along at 21. He struggled a little in AA after the promotion last year but overall he's making his way through the minor leagues. He's shown a bit of power, and he likes to try for steals, though he's not all that good at it right now. And he takes walks also. There's some promise here. Victor Diaz looks like a lottery ticket, at best. Can't make heads or tails out of last season's numbers. Even for a small sample size, they were horrific. Details from MiLB show a string of visits to the disabled list, so that's probably a strong hint that something's wrong. Pomeranz Trade:Espinoza on the shelf for two years now. This coming season will probably answer the question of what he has going forward.
My takeaway: a lot of players which increases the likelihood of hitting on some gems. That's happened, but the overall evaluation seems to be positive.
A lot of people knocked me on that Kimbrel trade, when I thought it a good trade, but man I was pretty spot on with the prospects we gave up, at least so far. Would have loved to keep Allen, but it is what it is. |
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