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Post by brendan98 on Aug 2, 2013 13:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 1, 2013 10:59:44 GMT -5
Dream scenario, the Sox re-sign Ellsbury and spend to bring back Napoli and improve at catcher:
1) Ellsbury CF 2) Victorino RF 3) Pedroia 2B 4) Ortiz DH 5) Napoli 1B 6) McCann C 7) Gomes/Carp LF 8) Xander SS 9) Middlebrooks 3B
McCann is the big addition, he fits what the Red Sox try to do offensively, he will also cost a lot, so the Sox would likely have to shed some payroll in order to afford to afford he, Ellsbury and Napoli, this could be done by trading one of the a surplus of starting pitchers that are making big $$ (my order of preference would be Dempster/Peavy/Lackey/Lester). Nava would be in the mix in the OF and at 1B, Holt would be the utility infielder. Ross would backup McCann.
More than likely, if Ellsbury can be resigned, the Sox will go cheaper at other positions:
1) Ellsbury CF 2) Victorino RF 3) Pedroia 2B 4) Ortiz DH 5) Carp/Nava 1B 6) Gomes/Nava LF 7) Xander SS 8) Middlebrooks 3B 9) Salty/Ross/Lavarnway C (Depending on how big a deal Salty commands)
If the Sox decide not to overspend on Ellsbury:
1) Victorino RF 2) Pedroia 2B 3) Ortiz DH 4) Napoli 1B 5) McCann C 6) Gomes/Carp LF 7) Xander SS 8) Middlebrooks 3B 9) Bradley CF
With $34 M coming off the books (Ellsbury, Drew, Hanrahan, Bailey, Salty) the Sox can spend to bring in McCann, and bring back Napoli. I think it is too much to bat JBJ leadoff, but he could eventually grow into the role as the season progresses, just as Xander and/or WMB could move up in the order as they develop.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 31, 2013 21:37:11 GMT -5
Very exciting for us all having a nice crop of potential stud starters. Me personally and I may be way off but I think Webster has the highest floor out of them all (hes got to get his control worked out, good start today). Rubby I think has the highest ceiling, based on mostly what industry folks are saying, I have seen him limited in person, most of that has been when he was with the dodgers the rest has been video. Owens I think has the next highest ceiling of this next group followed by Barnes I guess. Anyway exciting times, glad we didn't have to trade any of these guys in the deal for Peavy. Workman. Callahan Kidding, but a pretty nice run he is on in the last 2 starts!!
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 31, 2013 9:24:33 GMT -5
I loved the idea of Iglesias playing SS for the Sox for the next 10 years, I have not been shy to make comparisons to Ozzie defensively, and still feel that is true. I truly believe that defense at premium positions (C, SS, CF) is invaluable, and that the runs that an elite defender saves over the course of a season, by making plays that the average defender would not, is unquantifiable. With the defensive metrics that are out there now, maybe the runs that are saved might be something you could put an approximate number on, however there are other factors that cannot be quantified (2 extra outs against the Tigers might be the difference between Miggy batting 3rd in the 9th inning of a 1 run game and 5th) and that cannot be measured by any defensive metrics.
All that being said, the Red Sox had the depth to do this deal, I would have been against giving up Iglesias, if Bogaerts, WMB, and Cecchini were not all very close to the big leagues. I think all of us will be in disbelief if Xander is not the Red Sox opening day SS next year, and while his defense will likely not make any of us forget Iglesias, his bat should compensate 10 times over. I still think WMB is going to be a legit power hitting MLB 3B, but Cecchini will be breathing down his neck next year if he struggles again.
The Sox farm system is as strong as I ever remember it being, it is going to be fun to watch these kids grow up as MLB players right before our eyes. The best thing about yesterday’s trade (for me) was that none of our top 10 prospects (plus WMB and Workman) had to be included in the deal.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2013 23:41:14 GMT -5
We are now one Stephen Drew strained oblique, tweaked hammy or stiff neck from the beginning of the Xander Bogaerts era! Dreaming on a left side of Xander & WMB
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2013 23:26:15 GMT -5
That's what you would have preferred, but the Tigers wouldn't have. They wanted a cost controlled SS especially since Peralta's career with the Tigers is coming toward an end. Red Sox get Garcia - good hitting OF with bad plate discipline for slick fielding SS with bad plate discipline and send Garcia to ChiSox for pitcher with excellent control. I don't see where the Red Sox got ripped off. I understand the concern about losing Iglesias's strong defense at SS, but I don't think the Sox were ripped off. I think they did as well as you can do to land Peavy. The farm system is still very much intact with the pitching stocked and the key hitters still in place. When did I say ripped off? I said tigers got more value, and i stick to it. If anyone got ripped off it was WS, but iggy > Garcia + Villarreal I'd say that Peavy > Iggy + 3 mid tier prospects
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2013 23:24:14 GMT -5
I will be very interested to see if Workman can continue his success in a new bullpen role. This is an important point as well, this moves sends Workman to the pen and if he excels there the Sox have strengthened both the rotation and pen with this trade.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2013 23:04:24 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't mean that the Sox don't think Clay is going to be able to return this season.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2013 23:01:14 GMT -5
Wow thank God for bio genesis . This is better than getting Garza. I can't believe our package was better than the others? Please bring up Xander, JBJ and WMB. I feel for Workman. I mean no one is gonna crack the rotation next year. No kids. There stuck with Dempster , they have Peavy now. Felix, Lester and Buch. So that's that. No kids need apply! You forgot Lackey, that is 6 starters for next year (which we all know is rarely a problem), just sayin.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2013 22:51:49 GMT -5
This is also a vote of confidence for WMB in a way, no? Next year it's Xander at short and WMB at third, instead of Iggy at SS and Xander at third. I like the thought of that, I did not want to see the Sox give up on WMB, still think he ends up being a valuable MLB player in the not too distant future.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2013 14:19:32 GMT -5
Meh, I personally think there are other factors at play. If the Red Sox don't call him up this year, then they don't have to put him on the 40 man roster next year. There is also service time to consider. All and all, you would prefer a player with major league experience over the final two months even if that player is a phenom like Boegarts. If they can get Young for a mid-level prospect, that's what they will do and probably should do. If Bogaerts can help you win a World Series (ala Ellsbury in 2007) than you call him up. Right now the Sox are getting very little offense from the left side of the infield, Bogaerts can be that shot in the arm the Red Sox need down the stretch, not to mention the boost of energy a wide-eyed 20 year old would bring to the clubhouse. I think Xander should be called up as soon as the Sox get to the point where they believe that he will develop as well in the big leagues as in the minors (I am not sure we have not already reached that point).
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 25, 2013 10:49:02 GMT -5
Perkins is having a tremendous season as the Twins closer, I think he would be the kind of acquisition the Sox could justify giving up a couple of good prospects for, since he is signed affordably through 2015 (with a 2016 club option). Now the Twins are likely not very motivated to move him because of the club friendly contact 3 yrs - $10.3M, but if the Sox could make a deal for Perkins, he would slot in at closer and allow everyone else to slide down into their natural role. My question would be, can the Sox acquire Perkins with some of the excess 40 man players (ie Britton, Brentz, Hassan etc), would a package of Britton, Brentz and Vitek even be close?
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 18, 2013 8:53:33 GMT -5
Things just don’t seem to add up when you look at Owens. Scouting reports and projections don’t seem to be in sync with what he has done on the mound so far. Starting his career in Greenville last year, and starting this year in Salem seems like a fairly aggressive beginning to his career (placement wise), and while there has been some ups and downs, Owens has put up some impressive stats. More than the stats however, the thing that doesn’t seem to add up with Owens is the number of times where he is downright dominant, stiking out 13 of 15 batters in spring training comes to mind. Yesterday’s performance is not the first, second or third time that Owens has dominated his competition in the past 2 seasons. Owens seems to be quite a bit more consistent this year, 1 out of every 5 outings seems to be a rough one, but he is somewhere between solid and filthy in the other 4. If this was an experienced (college) pitcher doing this at a less advanced level, I would look at it with a lot of doubt, but Owens was in HS two years ago, and he is at the very least making the Sox think about pushing him on to AA at some point this season (though I am guessing the Sox might not let him throw much more than 40 to 50 innings the rest of the year).
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 26, 2013 8:36:09 GMT -5
So if Iglesias proves over the course of the rest of the 2013 season, that he can provide a significant amount of offense to go with his stellar defense, who is the Red Sox SS of the future, Xander or Iggy?
IMO, it is a no-brainer, I think they are both in your starting 9, but Iglesias is a gold glove caliber SS, and Xander is something less at the position (possibly significantly less). I’ve seen the argument made here, that to maximize Xander’s value, he needs to be at SS, but if both he and Iglesias are in the lineup, that argument doesn’t hold water, unless the goal is to make Xander the most possible $$ when he hits free agency (or maximize his trade value), but between the lines, the Sox are a better baseball team with Iglesias at SS.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 25, 2013 12:55:09 GMT -5
K-Rod? His #'s have bounced back in a big way, though in a relatively SSS. I agree the Sox have been awful at trading for closers, but don't think they would have to give up a top prospect for Rodriguez, and will likely have to clear some space off of the 40 man before next year anyway.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 21, 2013 10:49:56 GMT -5
What a disaster last years failed experiment with Bard was, sure would be nice to have him as our closer, or at the very least premier setup man right now.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 20, 2013 14:46:56 GMT -5
4 games now, amigo. Quick, get him to the big leagues, before he cools off.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 16, 2013 12:09:25 GMT -5
Hassan has an OPS over 1.600 in AAA this year - what's not to like? You do realize that is in a 2 game sample size, right?
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 15, 2013 17:03:48 GMT -5
So I see that Hassan is projected to be more of a 2nd tier type player if he reaches the bigs. It appears that his only above average tool is his plate discipline, which seems to be outstanding, and I am curious if there is enough other tools for him to be more than that? He seems to be a well put together kid (6'3" 220 pounds), although calling him a kid is not entirely accurate as he is already 25 yo. I also see he is tinkering at 1B a little bit, which is curious as his power does not seem to profile at that position. Any thoughts?
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 15, 2013 16:45:18 GMT -5
I have a feeling that the big question mark for the 2013/2014 off-season will be 'who's on first?' Mike Carp? Gotta at least be in the conversation, along with Napoli as well.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 15, 2013 16:36:21 GMT -5
Why would Philadelphia trade Lee? The G.M. has come out and said he wasn't going to and even said that his SP staff along with Paplebon should be built around. Plus, since April 18th they have the best record in the NL East. @ 27-25. First, if you are the Amaro and are considering trading Lee and/or Papelbon, of course you are going to say that you plan on building around them, if you throw up your hands and say make an offer, you are not going to get as good a return. Wow, 27-25, they have been red hot, so over the last 50+ games they have gone from being 4 games under .500 to 2 games under.500. The fact of that matter is that they are 3rd in their division, and 6.5 behind the leader. They are also looking up at 5 teams that are ahead of them for the wild card, and are actually 7 games back in the wild card standings.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 14, 2013 12:54:38 GMT -5
Those were the names I was thinking as well, maybe Doubront as the centerpiece, and Workman or Britton, and maybe Almanzar or Marerro for a package of Lee and see if we can get Darin Ruf in the deal, he is a DH/1B and won't play 1B in Philly. Could the Phillies do better than that?
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 14, 2013 12:12:01 GMT -5
If RDLR is really featuring three + to ++ pitches, than he is a starter, unless the Sox do not think he is capable of handling the workload of a starter.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 13, 2013 23:09:12 GMT -5
Didn't mean to preach, just hit a nerve is all.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 13, 2013 23:08:56 GMT -5
Game should of never went to extra innings anyways, that Middlebrooks error was costly. Posts like this make me wonder if some of you really know anything about the game. Errors happen, when a guy doesn't make a play, it's a teammates job to "pick him up", Doubront had a chance to pitch around that error and didn't. In baseball, teammates pick each other up all of the time, sure Middlebrooks made an error, but it didn't cost the Sox the game, it merely contributed to the loss. I am not blaming the loss on Doubront either, the Red Sox lost, someone needed to step up and get a big hit, or strike someone out, or make a great defensive play, and in the end, it didn't happen. The team wins or loses games, very rarely individuals, and the great teams understand this. I have played on, and coached many teams that do not have that dynamic, and guys walk around pointing fingers at one another, and those teams very rarely had much success.
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