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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 7, 2020 19:41:31 GMT -5
Last year the wonder boy they had fixed the issues with and had turned the corner was Weber headed into ST. Not sure how many believed it, but i wasn't one of them and it became a disaster. Don't believe this latest one either. Neither has MiLB options which is/was another strike.
Believe better idea to shop around rule 5 draft, or other available dfa's/FA than this.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 7, 2020 2:10:47 GMT -5
Hanley butchered SS also. That was during the time really watched marlin games, when they had the Tommy Hutton-Rich Wahl combo broadcasting which were so great together. Hanley never got rid of his habit of double clutching on throws, making every play a close one, whether it needed to be or not. Close play anyway? No double clutch, normal play? fast double clutch. Slow runner? Sometimes he'd slap the ball into his glove even a couple times. It was really aggravating to watch him play SS. He was ok only because he was crushing the ball with his bat then.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 6, 2020 13:02:25 GMT -5
Phillies are apparently trying to unload Wheeler Could be a good opportunity to pick up a valuable starting pitcher and also get something attached to him. He’s good but that contract still has 4 years and a lot of money on it Not worth 24m aav next 4y. Easy pass there. In fact? Can look at every guy they (Philly) have supposedly have listed by Olney as possibly looking to move. All, except for Nola are way over paid and nearly non tradeable, unless Philly helps pay off the contracts AND adds prospects to sweeten the deal. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 5, 2020 2:10:40 GMT -5
I still see Kevin Pillar as a viable 4th outfielder and Mitch Moreland as a viable backup first baseman. Neither should cost much plus we can trade them at the trade deadline. It makes far more sense to attempt signing Pillar again at 4-5m for 1y than giving JBJ 10m+ aav over multiple years, knowing his offensive output last shortened season will not be repeated. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 4, 2020 8:21:51 GMT -5
Id rather take a swap of Rosario and Duran in rf with the offensive upside under 10mil then jbj coming back on a multi year deal over 10 mil. Who knows rosario's bat could play up at fenway. I watched jd drew in rf I think I can give Rosario a shot. Not professing to know all regarding Rosario's defense, but from reading on various Tins' fan posts, it seems He doesn't really think much while playing in the OF, or forgets what he is doing out there sometimes. Remember Manny Ramirez came to mind after reading a couple. One in particular was while he has a decent arm, he often throws to the wrong base, or misses the cutoff man. While JD Drew was maligned in Boston for his 5y, I really don't remember his glove, nor arm being all that bad. Granted, he wasn't any Dwight Evans, nor Mookie Betts out there, but who was? |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 2, 2020 22:50:45 GMT -5
I'd add Wilson to list of guys who could be left off also and waived. Aybar, Spring.. To not try and bring in a couple of superior rule 5 kids would be bordering on malpractice. The ones currently signed/under contract mostly are not going to cut it. Some diamond in the rough brought in for a month is worth looking at and have seen several interesting, Pint not included.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 2, 2020 19:54:33 GMT -5
I don't think I've made the specific point that they must have talked to JBJ before the deadline to make sure that he'd like to come back here if the price is right. Otherwise it's malpractice. So the only way he doesn't come back is if someone offers him a crazy deal, and that's very unlikely in this market. The free agency is to see what he's worth.
I do hope they have Benintendi on a program to regain foot speed (weight, exercise), but here's his CF experience (pro G based on innings): 94 G college, 2013-14
130 G minors, 2015-2016
60 G MLB, 2017-2020
In terms of learning to run routes, that's not a guy who can be expected to play an average CF, even if he regains something like his 2018 speed. So the JBJ backup plan would be to get a RF who is league average or better defensively, and live with that and Verdugo in CF. Hence checking the tires on Puig. The report that the Red Sox see Bryant as a LFer was, I'm sure, accurate. As in "We see him as a LF and that's why we're not interested." Sox Not Interested in Kris Bryant is not a story you bother writing, while Sox, Cubs Talk Kris Bryant is, as evidenced by the folks here who started salivating at the idea.
I get what you are saying Eric. They surely met with JBJ multiple times and he said he liked the city, but what is left out is is agent is Boras and unless they talked with both of them together, had something from JBJ where he specifically TOLD Boras to make a deal happen in Boston.. Like Varitek and Bogaerts did, nothing on earth was/is going to stop Boras from being Boras.. Looking for the most money and the most years on the market by any means possible. Maybe the plan in FA was just for Boras to go out looking for the biggest deal he could get and come back to confront the Sox with it. Who knows. Maybe that's how JBJ considers liking the city by giving a final chance to match the highest offer. Down Boras playbook and only a guess. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 1, 2020 23:54:03 GMT -5
Market is finally drying up for guys who have 1 thing going for them.. Hit HR's and provide nothing else to help a team. I expect, or hope, the lost art of patience at the plate to be slowly taught back into many schools in the US. Was a time when would have half a dozen to a dozen each season with over 100 walks. Now? lucky to have 2-3 in the game and majority walk less than 10%PA.
Get that always swinging for the fences mentality out, things like swing angle etc.. And good, all around baseball back.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 1, 2020 20:10:53 GMT -5
Doesn’t look like starting pitching is going at a discount. I’d feel a hell of a lot better if the Sox grab an innings eater like Porcello right away. Was thinking that also and Leake maybe as well. Not big myself on paying most of the other "B" guys, even Walker whom I like the figure 8-10m AAV it looks like they will get now that back end and reclamation projects, such as Smyly and Ray ended up close. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 30, 2020 4:17:51 GMT -5
Extremely sad. Not connected to digital world like many are with phones and such, but did chat with him in other ways on occasion few years back. Extremely helpful and kind person who will be missed.
God Bless John.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 27, 2020 22:35:44 GMT -5
Think they have several can move thru now Phil and should attempt to get 1-2 relievers in camp, if they see that many available on rule 5 day to run thru camp as look-see guys.
Several candidates have named before myself. I see 5-6 can safely either waive, or DFA if had to. 3 would be easy.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 27, 2020 22:29:06 GMT -5
My brother is a Rockies fan so I've been following Jon Gray for years. Huge pedigree but in reality, not much to show for it. Maybe a bi-product of Coors Field and budget management. He's on the list of likely non-tenders. Not shocking he got claimed on waivers if the Rockies were to do that. Few SP's already it looks like have gotten more than some of us thought and industry was thinking as well. Grey made tad over 5m last year, figure he gets 6m+ next year. Is that really out of whack for someone who has put up decent numbers several times in that hole? |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 23, 2020 13:00:47 GMT -5
Happ wouldn't be a bad target in my mind so long as its a one year deal. Don't think his upside is now any bigger and was Martin Perez when they bought him out, so around 4-5m is most can see the Sox paying for the type of starter described. think someone might believe Happ is better than he has been the last 2-3y and give him more than that amount, forcing the Sox to set sights a tad lower into the barrel. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 21, 2020 7:48:01 GMT -5
Isn't Brice and Stock still on the 40 man roster? Don't think missed them dfa'd on transactions page. Seems like maybe they would be candidates to go before Walden, who was fairly effective the last year he was fully healthy in 2019 over them. Same with Brewer possibly being another. and AYBAR.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 16, 2020 23:48:57 GMT -5
Grullon is a major improvement on what they went towards ST with last year, at least with the bat, he's just taking a 40 man roster spot and there is still some upside with him when if he's waived, is nearly certain to get taken like Boston did when they took him right away. Ayala on the other hand is still a 1 pitch converted to pitcher who has little control and might pass. No huge loss if he doesn't make it, as far as Grullon would easily be the 3rd catcher by a mile and probably better than the centeno's of the world they would bring in on a miLB deal to take his place.. He's worth the spot. Just my opinion but I'd prefer a Lucroy on a minor league deal to Grullon. Just my opinion but I understand why Philadelphia waived him then turned around and signed Lucroy. To me, he's not worth a roster spot, his numbers in the minors are good for a catcher but not good for a DH and he's a miserable defender and too fat to play LF. There's a reason why a 24 year old AAA catcher is only ranked 30th at our site. I get that and it's only opinions. LuCroy isn't going to be the player he once was several years ago, but was a major improvement over the lot they had signed earlier in the winter to MiLB deals, but that's counting on the team finding a LuCroy, or Sandy Leon type and not having to scrape the very bottom of the barrel when an emergency arrives at the MLB level for half a dozen to maybe a dozen games. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 16, 2020 21:17:20 GMT -5
I am guessing that with the flurry of waivers that are about to happen, Grullon and Ayala might pass through and there is likely to be better players available from other clubs. If not, it's not the end of the world. Grullon is a major improvement on what they went towards ST with last year, at least with the bat, he's just taking a 40 man roster spot and there is still some upside with him when if he's waived, is nearly certain to get taken like Boston did when they took him right away. Ayala on the other hand is still a 1 pitch converted to pitcher who has little control and might pass. No huge loss if he doesn't make it, as far as Grullon would easily be the 3rd catcher by a mile and probably better than the centeno's of the world they would bring in on a miLB deal to take his place.. He's worth the spot. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 16, 2020 4:38:40 GMT -5
They also mention pitching in the article. Never hurts to shake a tree and see what falls out. Re above conversation, I'm hoping the Sox keep away from starters with recent health or other issues like Kluber or even Hill. There will be plenty of pitching available for teams that are willing to wait it out. Morton and a trade would work for me. Hill is doomed to continually have blister + other issues it seems. Richards was a guy used to always want a way for Boston to get, but he's another no way guy now, unless it's on a MiLB make good deal. It's really a tough market for a team that's probably not going to spend much and also only ST deals for people they do sign. Quintana is the obvious choice, tho even in the supposed depressed market his price could be driven up, same with Odorizzi. I could see them settling for older veterans like Lester, Arrietta, bringing Perez back as eating innings on low dollar contract options. Does anyone see Bloom spending what it would take to sign the next level up in a Quintana/Walker/Odorozzi? I can't see it. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 16, 2020 3:10:54 GMT -5
They may be selling, but should Boston be looking for an instant upgrade? I'd rather them just go and see what Springer wants. Bryant +_ Boras is bad news with regards to an extension, coming off a poor shortened season won't matter to Boras. I think Springer has better chance to outplay him over next 3-4y anyway. Lot of hype with Bryant.
Baez doesn't help Boston any at 3b, tho his glove + power is great. Remember when guys who hit tons of homers but never took a walk were frowned upon?
None, except Bryant even remotely could be in Sox mind, or should be for a team that needs pitching like this is my 2c.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 11, 2020 9:34:41 GMT -5
I assume that if the Yankees were to trade for Lindor that it would mean that they would be letting DJ leave. That makes sense on their end since Lindor is 27 and DJ is 32, however is that such an improvement in the next year or two? Seems pretty close to a wash not counting what they would need to give up to get him. It improves their middle infield defense by a lot. I think the Yankees have a very limited amount of moves in them. Lindor is probably the only one that moves the needle a little bit while in contention. They already made one of their moves by picking up the option on Zach Britton for both 2021 and 2022. The next and biggest one might be Lindor. The other is probably resigning Tanaka. Other than that they might sign a bullpen arm or two and they're done. They're biggest improvement will be getting German in the rotation, along with Severino at some point. Think it would be a short sighted move on the part of NY to do that. Cost a decent prospect, around 20m in payroll for 2021 and only in NY was all in and go for it mode next season, which don't think they are. Just same attempting to get that crown as always and no empty the farm various holes (catcher, rotation) and sign various top FA in an attempt to win that elusive crown next season. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 8, 2020 0:51:51 GMT -5
I think Pivetta is an error on that site. I don’t think he’s arbitration eligible on my list but I could be wrong. If he is, then of course he would be tendered. I’m on the fence on ERod. $8.3m is a pretty good chunk for a guy that you can’t count on. With JBJ, he’s been healthy and gives you good defense. Anything else is a bonus. $6-$7m per year for a perineal 2 war player is a bargain. Maybe Pivetta is now a super two ? Still same control just arbitration a year earlier. Cotts has Pivetta at 2.166 service time and looked up super 2 for this year's term, it's set at 2.115. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 7, 2020 5:01:37 GMT -5
Boras is going to shop JBJ around for the most money and longest term deal he can get, it's how he works and he always takes his sweet time before having his client ink deals, sometimes until ST when he makes mistakes and over values them.
Should JBJ push Boras to ink a deal with a team.. Like Boston early is one thing, but it sounded a lot like he was saying his goodbyes near the end of the season, telling me he's probably onboard the try to get all he can and listening to the Boras way.
Now.. Should both Boras and JBJ be only thinking the non hitting/glove type market he fits into will only pay 6-8maav over 2 seasons? I might see Bloom possibly interested, but still would prefer a Pillar, if he could be brought back for the 3.5m he just made on a 1y deal.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 7, 2020 1:28:03 GMT -5
Pillar, Inciarte. Various options as a 1y bridge to Duran and if the 2021 season shows Duran won't be ready by 2022 can look in the 2021 offseason for another bridge type player. I see no reason to overpay in years signing 30+ yo JBJ with a nearly sure to be bad 3-4y contract for a team in 2021 that's probably not going to be all that good and even then, should be focused on spending the 40m under cap at present on improving the abysmal pitching, not on a luxury deal where odds of it ever working out are extremely slim.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 6, 2020 17:50:15 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if Cora’s return has any impact on JBJ’s decision. Despite the prolonged slumps at the dish, Bradley is an invaluable piece, in my opinion. Up-the-middle defense has been so critically important to the Sox’ success, and my desire to remain strong in that area cannot be understated. On top of that, Jackie has been lauded as a solid clubhouse guy and leader within the organization. Stay home, Jackie! Agreed. JBJ ranked 6th among CF in 2020. Should be at the top of the Sox priority list. Aside from Springer, there’s absolutely nothing left. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him get some 4 year offers, and I’m fine with the Sox doing that. 3y in a normal market would be foolish, then 4? listen to yourself. 30yo, pretty much 1st time has hit in years and even then, just in a 60g season. It's ok to be the fan of a guy, but please don't go overboard and ask the team to sign someone when there are other guys who can play the position available, cheaper and probably ST 1y deals. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 6, 2020 8:26:11 GMT -5
Will someone be doing a piece on where everyone is headed? If not, or if no date is set, I'll gather up the relevant club/league tweets as I have not tweeted all of them. Think they generally do later on during the WL season with articles on how each Sox prospect is doing.. Updates on how each kid is doing, believe weekly in various WL's, tho don't remember who it is that does them. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 3, 2020 8:09:06 GMT -5
I think we will see more trades than free agents. A 2B/CF would be a perfect fit. There also. Bloom seems to have fallen in love with Arroyo, so he's got the leg up going into ST, then Chavis if not traded, probably bring in another vet over the winter as well, but almost no chance the team spends upwards of 10m at the position when they let pass one of the best relievers in the game pass them by in Hand for that figure. |
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