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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 6, 2021 16:05:23 GMT -5
That's to me just too much, yet honestly, what he's probably going to get in a 3-4y deal. 2y? I'd be more likely to say yes, but there are going to be teams out there willing to go 3-4y I think and IMHO? I'd rather gamble a tad less than 12-13y on a potential front line guy.. Like Kluber and then try to get a 2nd year option, or another guy probably sign for less in Taijaun Walker. neither Walker, nor Odorizzi are 1-2's, but more like 3's in a rotation. I can't see spending 12-13m long term on that if they intend on offering Rodriquez a long term deal. If they do.. What's the AAV starting point then? 20m??
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 5, 2021 18:48:19 GMT -5
The Boston Red Sox are not expected to give Japanese starting pitcher Tomoyuki Sugano the contract he wants, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported Tuesday. Sugano, who is expected to make his decision this week, could return to pitch in Japan for one more year, Passan wrote. Passan reported, “The New York Mets are out. Other teams to whom he has been linked, like the San Francisco Giants and Boston Red Sox, are not expected to pay Sugano what he desires.” This is just reporting on the report already copied above by vermontsox that the Red Sox AND THE GIANTS "aren't expected to pay Sugano what he desires." I'm going to guess that what you're posting comes from an aggregator of some sort? This is why we encourage links. You can see in the text you pasted that it's just reporting the Passan report. It's not saying he's not signing with the Red Sox and they're out. It's saying that the teams in it seemingly are out or not up to what his price is yet. Deadlines have a funny way of narrowing distance. We'll see if that happens. Yeah.. I remember a certain Japanese pitcher, along with his client were at the airport, all set to board the jet to return to Japan when a deal was worked out back in winter of 2007. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 5, 2021 12:06:42 GMT -5
I've been to Cali 2 times. Once, when stationed at San Diego and another time for a visit while on vacation with my wife and son several decades later. Agree about weather.. Always hot during daytime in SD and would often be chilly at dawn. Odd thing was something I noticed as a Florida boy.. This layer of "fog", or "haze" that was in the sky every morning during the time was stationed there.. Like every morning and would seem to just burn away after a few hours.. Finally asked a native Californian what that was.. Smog.. Made up my mind Getting back to Florida was for me when this hitch was over. I lived in LA for 2 years and it has smog. I worked on the 31st floor in the ARCO towers downtown LA, but could not see to where Dodgers stadium threeish miles away. I have lived in Carlsbad (near SD), now for 11 years, and have NO smog! The FOG burns off by 9:00 AM. (Smog does not burn off). It has the most moderate weather in the USA. It rarely gets above the upper 70s or below the 60s. It is perfect baseball weather year round. It would be perfect for baseball in late October. No intention of hijacking the thread of course with weather/smog.. Was only mentioning what was told it was and this was well over 40y ago as well. You mention Pad's games.. I used to take some in back then also from time to time, tho they were pretty awful at the time. My best buddy at the time was not even a sailor, but a L/cpl in the Marines, who had this old beat up Chevy vega we went all over Cali in from time to time whenever both of us had cpl days off duty same time from time to time and we both loved baseball. I guess we went to the old Jack Murphy stadium maybe half dozen times. Went up to LA and caught a Dodgers game once. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 5, 2021 0:14:41 GMT -5
I've been to Cali 2 times. Once, when stationed at San Diego and another time for a visit while on vacation with my wife and son several decades later. Agree about weather.. Always hot during daytime in SD and would often be chilly at dawn. Odd thing was something I noticed as a Florida boy.. This layer of "fog", or "haze" that was in the sky every morning during the time was stationed there.. Like every morning and would seem to just burn away after a few hours.. Finally asked a native Californian what that was.. Smog.. Made up my mind Getting back to Florida was for me when this hitch was over.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 30, 2020 22:39:52 GMT -5
I wonder if JBJ's defense is/will age better, though, since it's based so much on jumps and reading the ball off the bat rather than speed and sheer athleticism. Pillar seems to have fallen off a bit defensively; he seems more like the latter type, and Kiermaier reminds me more of Pillar, though I'm not real sure what the statcast numbers show. How much all those injuries will play into possible deterioration of Kiermaier's future defense also. Freddie Lynn lost some of the magnificence of his glove as the injuries mounted up. Thus far, JBJ has avoided the serious injury bug where those other 2 mentioned have been/were plagued by it. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 29, 2020 15:04:04 GMT -5
Darvish deal like a pure salary dump, taking back an equal in Davies for 1 season and 4 kids who are so far away (and young) that are not really even prospects yet. I'm not sure have ever seen a deal like this before, with 17yo kids as the headliner in a deal for a supposed established "star".
Is this what we have to look forward to? Are the Cubbies now going to head to a hard rebuild?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 27, 2020 13:50:01 GMT -5
Not much mention of Colin McHugh anywhere. He could be worth a low cost gamble. I myself wonder how many will hang them up for good now and just call it quits. mcHugh is an example of a guy who has had a fair enough career, now coming back (or was) and maybe views the recent combination of factors as just not worth it. Perhaps he has saved enough money to live a decent lifestyle and not worry about being clustered together so close with so many others possibly not being as careful as is he. I put David Price as another in this category who may not bother coming back and with him, leaving dollars on the table. Maybe even Buster Posey. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 24, 2020 14:25:54 GMT -5
I just don’t see Semien as a fit at 2B would probably require a 2-3 year deal and potentially block Downs. The only way it would make sense is if you were thinking maybe him at SS moving Xander to 3B and Devers across the diamond to improve the infield D. As we sit right now I think I would sign a left handed 2B/1B guy like La Stella, Dietrich or Brad Miller. Split time with the signing, Arroyo and Dalbec. Way it would make sense is if Downs has enough value to be a main trade chip for some mid rotation starter who is cost controllable for several years. Look at it like this. Semien is already more than what can hope Downs will probably be. *if* could possibly sign him for 3/40m, then turn around and flip Downs and 1 of the upside pitchers for that starter they need right away? Why not? |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 24, 2020 1:06:21 GMT -5
Point out the downside to a 2 million dollar signing... this won't stop them from accomplishing anything else they may want to do A lot of signings have limited upside, but very little downside. Solid depth for very little $$, under $2mill. Nothing wrong with this. Agree, nothing wrong with this particular signing. he can be either a true swingman, or one of those BP guys when they run openers out there and maybe throw 3-4 innings. I'm still worried about the pen being weaker than it was last year. Subtract Workman, even a Hembree and being replaced with Andriese, Rule 5 kid, more of the same MiLB FA's, a guy in Valdez who just had his 1st decent season. It's going to take a higher end (of some sort) arm to help out Hernandez, Barnes, Brasier and once again.. Hoping to comeback from his own decent 1st season in 2019, Josh Taylor. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 23, 2020 10:37:30 GMT -5
Agree there. Muscular, big bodied guys make me cringe for Boston playing the OF. Remember Rice and especially Tony Armas playing CF. While Rice was passable, tho no Yaz playing left. Armas could hardly move playing center those 2 seasons.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 21, 2020 18:33:05 GMT -5
If you're going to elect a SP because of longevity and accumulation, you'd go with Tommy John over Kaat. TJ had a few more wins, a handful fewer losses, a better adjusted ERA (111 to 108, so not by a lot) and significantly more WAR. I wouldn't picket the HOF if Kaat or John got elected. Longevity is an achievement and they both had a few big years. But neihter is nearly as deserving as Schilling (if you put aside his douchery) or Tiant. Tiant and John both had nice careers and wouldn't knock them either getting enshrined. Yes.. John won more and with some better numbers over a say Kaat. He had better support around him also for over half of his long career as well. What has always been a surprise to me was he wasn't elected years ago as kind of a ground breaker from coming back from his name saker surgery and being very effective again so many years ago when that injury was career ending. Tiant also had the advantage of playing for mostly very good teams with above average supporting cast most of his career to help him out, not that would knock him, or Schill and with his. Maybe that's the wrong way to look at players, or should say pitchers, but it has been mine and Kaat was not a strikeout pitcher by any means, like Tommy John was. They both relied on their defense to make the plays rather than the umpires right arm. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 21, 2020 16:07:08 GMT -5
I don't agree with that. If so? Jim Kaat, who racked up 283W's for mostly bad teams, except for the early part of his career, was a truly iron man and workhorse.. Completing what he started with 180CG's and several times, making 40+ starts a season. Kaat hs long deserved enshrinement over guys like Mussina and yes.. Even Schill. I think you kinda just proved his point, the old guard looks at things like you do. Yet compare Kaat to pitchers of his generation and he wasn't a HOF pitcher highlighted by his 50.5 bwar. You can't penalize pitchers because the game changed. My point was If there is some kind of minimum, believe deserving HOF caliber guys would get in.. Like Lee Smith, Kaat over ones in same category that have who played in the same era.. Namely for example Rollie Fingers. bwar gives no credence to finishing games, making starts every 4 days and playing for mostly pitiful teams the majority of a career I believe. Not to mention winning 20+ 2x for white Sox teams when they were the dredge of the AL in the early 1970's. I'm not going to say analytics are totally flawed, but i shake my head often at those who only rely on them when judging any ballplayer instead of what they have seen from them perform, or what the caliber of team they played for etc.. There are always other factors |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 20, 2020 19:42:13 GMT -5
I don't agree with that. If so? Jim Kaat, who racked up 283W's for mostly bad teams, except for the early part of his career, was a truly iron man and workhorse.. Completing what he started with 180CG's and several times, making 40+ starts a season.
Kaat hs long deserved enshrinement over guys like Mussina and yes.. Even Schill.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 18, 2020 23:09:36 GMT -5
Whit Merrifield sounds perfect. Agree on be nice the Sox had Merrifield, but KC not giving him away. One of the very best 2b in the game. Were he to play for Bos, NYY, LAD he'd be getting the media credit due already as to how good he really is. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 18, 2020 15:54:00 GMT -5
Dave Roberts said that Price is still mulling whether he will pitch this year. Hmmmm Price has made his millions and both he and his family are more than comfortably set for life. He may be of the mindset now it's safety 1st over bothering with others who may take lackadaisical efforts towards safety with the virus. How many can do that? May also show him in a better light than the NE media had him portrayed, at least it points it out as not a mercenary. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 17, 2020 15:24:52 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of folks thinking we're about to sign (at least) 2 SPs, 2 RPs, a starting CF, a starting 2B, and potential bench pieces. For anyone expecting this, are you operating under the assumption that we'll spend past the luxury tax threshold? A quality SP and top tier RP alone take us to about $22M-$25M of about $30M that I imagine they have to spend. In my opinion they're either going to have to 1) try to fill as many spots in the $5M-$7M range as possible, 2) prioritize spending on 2-3 positions and trust internal (e.g., Christian Arroyo) or buy-low options (e.g., Almora) at other positions, 3) be aggressive on the trade market to find cost-controlled talented players (going to cost us prospects). See the 1-2SP's, 2-3 RP and some kind of 2b brought in still after the Renfroe signing and the club still attempting to stay under the soft cap this last year of the CBA since don't see cap going away in any new deal and going up to/over once the team gets much better, like perhaps after next season, maybe 2023 even. While Henry and others have said they have no issues going over the cap, Henry himself has also said he doesn't like paying the tax. Going over for a barely .500 team is not a worthwhile investment IMO when the 2 best pitchers are big question marks. Another funny/sad thing some have also thought of.. With DeScafalini just signing for a whopping 6m.. Smyly and Ray earlier getting 8m+.. Who else thinks Perez now gets more than the 4.8m? Not a slam, thought was a good idea also, but wouldn't it be a kicker if Bloom ended up re inking him to say, a 6m deal in the end? |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 17, 2020 3:49:35 GMT -5
I well remember streaky boston teams and players. Late 1970's, seemed like the entire boston team would tear the cover from the ball, win 5-8 games in a row, then nobody would hit for 4-5 games and they would lose every single game. This went on from 1976-1979.. Every single season with outstanding players like Rice, Yaz, Lynn, Burleson. Throw a good Boomer season in, plus a good Hobson 1. Fisk.. I'll never, ever want a guy who is super hot, then ice cold habitually again after watching/listening to those teams again and probably very few others who were heartbroken every year by those teams would either.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 17, 2020 2:19:54 GMT -5
I'm thinking more along the lines of Satchell Paige redsox04071318champs. Some, who saw him years before in the Negro leagues and barnstorming games he played in said he was the very best there was and nobody, maybe even himself knew exactly how old he was. His stock answer to that was "his momma kept the children's birth dates in the family bible and one day a goat ate it"..
I highly recommend his life's history, written by him put out in the 70's if am not mistaken. Met the old gent once in Tampa.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 15, 2020 23:37:48 GMT -5
All the recaps on JBJ afterwards.. I just can't see it still for multiple reasons. Benny gets moved (after JBJ signed) to clear 5m and there goes the LH OF bat to rotate with Verdugo/Renfroe on days off. Not to mention he's a good bounce back guy.
Should they sign JBJ to whatever amount and keep all the OF's, then that's a problem finding AB's with Martinez in the DH slot for 2y, unless 1 can be given a crash course at 1b?
Roster space and money to spend. Whitlock they need to protect, so there goes the 26th roster spot and what about the rotation spots? believe most all (myself included) thought mid to lower rotation arms would be cheaper, yet we've seen Ray and Smyly go for 8m+ already and Boston needs at LEAST 1 of that caliber (or better) to begin the season, 2 would be better.
Relievers.. Nothing done in this area yet that will have a meaningful impact other than sign a few miLB FA's of no real importance and a rule 5 guy taken in the draft. Need 2-3 additions of MLB caliber at a minimum here and a closer being one.
2nd base. Is it better to head into ST with Arroyo and "others" as the 2b, with no fallback options other than a not ready rookie than sign a CF not really needed for a lot of cash?
I don't really know how to show any other way than this why giving JBJ all that money is such a bad idea.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 15, 2020 4:45:28 GMT -5
Think it's open to debate as much as anything else baseball related is on this site. Some of which goes on a dozen pages long rehashing the same exact points in extremely long posts and meticulous detail over the same items.
I also, which have posted before don't believe Bloom is going to go out and pay JBJ 8-10m+ AAV over 3y(or plus y) knowing his output offensively in the shortened season almost assuredly will disappear and what everyone saw the previous cpl of years will probably return, making it a bad deal which he isn't known for.
Show me a GM who doesn't give lip service to resigning his own players in a press conference, or looking to improve his club. Not trying to be snippy here. Just believe Bloom is going to be using "his" FA dollars.. The few spent towards pitching and not non critical areas.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 15, 2020 2:41:57 GMT -5
Yeah it's a nice move. Renfroe was probably the perfect 4th outfield candidate. I think this ends the Puig speculation all together. I do think this does put the chances that JBJ comes back at a really lower percentage. I don't see him coming coming back now. I'm not so sure about that. He's right-handed and the others - including Bradley - are left-handed. Verdugo has little to no splits so Renfroe could spell both corners with Verdugo moving to center on the occasions when Bradley is getting a rest, if they decide to bring him back. It might actually make a reunion even more enticing. I don't see them paying Renfroe 3m to play PT as a FA in this climate. What could be going on is the scare over how far Benintendi has fallen the last 2 seasons as some insurance there. Wouldn't shock me to see DeShields/Pillar brought in also if price on them tumbles to what Renfroe got, or lower all, except Verdugo used in a rotation. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 14, 2020 13:14:42 GMT -5
I'm getting Cody Ross nostalgia. Think Renfroe has a lot more power than ross did, tho liked Ross. Nobody mentioned Hunter gets to finally join organization his brother was with yet? |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 13, 2020 21:21:51 GMT -5
Fangraphs Sunday Notes has a superb lead story regarding Seabold and how good his changeup is, also they interviewed him it seems: Seabold article |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 10, 2020 15:59:39 GMT -5
Whitlock could be an interesting guy to see in use as an opener when they use one. Not any worse than some they had last season and what about Ort? 29 when season starts, but the reliever was looking for them to take and don't even have to keep him on the roster. Almost like signing a Milb fa, except this one has real upside.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 8, 2020 14:50:27 GMT -5
8m of it guaranteed. Eaton making that much? JBJ is going to get WAY overpaid. How much is Pillar going to get now? He's the equal, or better than Eaton. |
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