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Post by danr on Aug 11, 2016 0:45:38 GMT -5
Bradley 9th? How about:
1- Beni 2-Pedroia 3-Papi 4-Betts 5-Xander 6-Bradley 7-Hanley 8-Leon 9-Shaw/Hill
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Post by danr on Aug 11, 2016 0:23:19 GMT -5
It is possible that Tazawa is right, that he should be a starter? He has worn down almost every season as a RP. Maybe he needs the regularity of a starter. He has great stuff for half the season but gets exhausted. We can forget that RPs warm up a lot during games without getting into the games. It takes a toll.
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Post by danr on Aug 2, 2016 19:12:21 GMT -5
Very few players on an intelligently run major league team truly are untouchable. A smart and opportunistic GM will trade almost anyone if he sees a chance to significantly improve his team without wrecking its future. I have been fine with the Espinosa trade because the odds are much greater that Pomeranz will be an asset to the Sox than they are that Espinosa will even make it to the majors. So yes, there almost always is the possibility of the right deal for any player. The really good GMs know one when they see it. I think the Pomeranz deal was one of those. But I could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by danr on Aug 2, 2016 19:00:08 GMT -5
Betts Pedroia Xander Papi Hanley JBJ Hill Leon Brentz Price P Six of the nine began their careers in the Sox organization. When Benny and Shaw are in the lineup it will be seven. But then look at the pitching staff. No starters began with the Sox unless Buchholz is considered. What a vivid illustration of the Sox problem with developing pitching.
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Post by danr on Aug 2, 2016 18:57:11 GMT -5
“@barstoolwsd: FWIW I was told the #WhiteSox turned down a Benintendi, Kopech, Johnson/Ball, and PTBNL package for Quintana from #RedSox” Is this true?? So glad this didn't happen. Did DD seriously propose this?? Thank you White Sox GM for turning this down. It was pointed out earlier that this character is a troll. There is no way the WS would have turned down such an offer but no such offer was made. Of that I think we can be certain.
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Post by danr on Aug 2, 2016 0:31:19 GMT -5
As I wrote much earlier, I believe that if the Sox had offered either Benny or Moncada the deal would have been done. I think that report is BS.
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Post by danr on Aug 2, 2016 0:28:41 GMT -5
And that child will never forgive you.
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Post by danr on Aug 2, 2016 0:11:36 GMT -5
This reminds me of the Sox calling up Ellsbury in 2007 when he hit better for the Sox, .353 and with one more HR than he had in four times as many at bats in AA and AAA.
Let's hope the Sox end the season as they did in 2007.
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Post by danr on Aug 1, 2016 23:06:52 GMT -5
The announcers on WEEI also just said that the Sox will announce Benintendi's promotion after the game.
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Post by danr on Aug 1, 2016 11:47:10 GMT -5
The White Sox have a terrible lineup. Only one player with an OPS above .800. The Red Sox have five with Hanley just below .800. They are going nowhere as they presently are constituted. It makes perfect sense for them to trade Sale for the best deal they can get. The Red Sox need pitching. It makes perfect sense to trade for Sale if the deal does not significantly weaken the present team or seriously mortgage the future. Thus, I hope the Red Sox hold out and do not offer either Moncada or Benny or Betts, Bogaerts or JBJ. Those are my untouchables. Everyone else is fair game and the Red Sox can make a package offer that will improve the White Sox, maybe not immediately but sooner than they otherwise would improve.
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Post by danr on Aug 1, 2016 11:06:35 GMT -5
My guess, and that's all it is, is that if the Sox had offered either Moncada or Benny in a multi-player deal for Sale, the deal would have been done already. I suspect the Sox are offering players like Dubon, Basabe, Owens, Johnson, Ockimey, Raudes, etc.
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Post by danr on Jul 26, 2016 7:29:50 GMT -5
There isw good logic to Eric's proposals but a couple of issues come to mind. First, how soon will Devers be ready? He is only 19 and it took him a while to figure it out this year. He probably is about ready to go to AA but that is a big jump. I can't see him ready for the majors before 2018, if then.
Putting Moncada at 1B makes some sense, especially if he is to be Pedroia's successor but it seems fairly obvious that the Sox need a defensive upgrade at 3B. Shaw is better defensively at 1B.
I would be reluctant to also put Moncada in the outfield. Remember what happened to Bogaerts when he suddenly was shifted to 3B? It's a lot to ask for a player to shift to one other position and a whole lot more to try to have him learn two positions.
One other point, why is there so much interest in trading JBJ? He is one of the best CFs in the game now, both defensively and offensively. The Sox have him for four more years. There is no basis for believing that any of the Sox prospects would be better than him. Why screw with a good thing?
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Post by danr on Jul 23, 2016 16:08:31 GMT -5
Assuming the Sox keep their top prospects, I see no reason to sign any position player or DH. The Sox will need RPs but some could come from the system.
Moncada will be the 3B, Hanley the DH, Shaw or Travis the 1B until Devers arrives. I doubt Sandoval will be with the team for long if he comes back healthy.
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Post by danr on Jul 22, 2016 15:09:11 GMT -5
The White Sox are going to demand more than the Sox should give up for either Sale or Quintana. I always have liked Robertson and if he could be had without giving up Devers, Moncada or Benny it would be very tempting.
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Post by danr on Jul 21, 2016 0:23:10 GMT -5
Some incredible clutch performances tonight but none better than Barnes. This has to have been his best night in the majors. I'm not slighting Hanley - who had a historic performance - but without Barnes this game could have been blown.
Look at the box score and the OPS. Have you ever seen a team with such OPS? I haven't.
The Sox are taking the AL East.
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Post by danr on Jul 19, 2016 23:00:51 GMT -5
I am new here, but been reading it for about a year, so decided to join. to the poster ( page 3 ) in here, not only would I trade Owens for Miller but I would be more than happy to include Sandoval top of Owens for Miller. Sandoval has negative value now, which means if you include him in a deal, you have to give up more than you otherwise might have to. So, no, no one is taking Sandoval. The Six are stuck with him.
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Post by danr on Jul 15, 2016 9:56:07 GMT -5
Even with the loss of Espinoza there is more talent in the Sox system now than in many years. If you look at the individual drafts - which don't include the international signings like Moncada and Bogarts, etc., you will see some excellent prospects from every recent draft class going back to 2011. It's too early to assess 2015 other than to note that it netted Benintendi, who should be a superstar. From 2014: Chavis, Kopech, Travis, Cosart, Okimey. From 2013: Longhi, Dubon, Witte. From 2012: Johnson and Light. From 2011: Barnes, Swihart, Bradley. Betts, and Shaw.
But before that there is Vazquez from 2008 and Rizzo from 2007. Those are the draft years that should have produced players now in their prime in the majors but they didn't.
However, what also can be noted from the results of these drafts is that Kopech is about the only elite prospect pitcher in the list, and that so many pitchers drafted high by the Sox have flamed out. I suspect that is the case with most teams. Far more things can go wrong with a pitching prospect than with a position player and it seems to be much harder to assess young pitchers, particularly high school pitchers.
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Post by danr on Jul 15, 2016 2:40:16 GMT -5
There's a lot of concern here about what Pomeranz is, which I understand. Regarding.Espinoza there is the standard allowance that no prospect is a sure thing until they do it in the show, but that Espinoza continues to have (in our minds at least) the same significant probability of being an ace that he has had since he started pitching in our system. My question is this: Is it possible that Sox management, in looking at Espinoza's performance this season, eyes as well as stats, was starting to have doubts that he really had the high likelihood of becoming a generational talent as originally envisioned? So therefore their thinking was that if the right deal came along they would make it and sell high while general perception of Espinoza throughout baseball is still that he is an uber prospect. This is perceptive. I was having that kind of reaction to the season he was having. I was beginning to doubt the hype but was not yet confident to express it.
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Post by danr on Jul 14, 2016 23:43:20 GMT -5
The Sox have only signed 21 of their draft choices, which is the fewest number of draft choices signed in 20 years when they only signed 17 in 1996.
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Post by danr on Jul 12, 2016 8:51:31 GMT -5
I haven't looked at the data but I recall from following GameDay that the separation in speeds between his fastball and his other pitches had narrowed in recent seasons. I have not checked him this season but I suspect the same pattern is there. Not only has his command diminished but also has his deception.
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Post by danr on Jul 11, 2016 21:59:49 GMT -5
Greed is not good. He's a fool if he doesn't sign and if he's that dumb I don't want him.
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Post by danr on Jul 11, 2016 21:54:33 GMT -5
The Sox need to move Moncada to 3B now. It appears he is going to be ready as a hitter before very long. He isn't going to play 2B for the Sox so they have to get him ready at a position they need to fill and that is 3B. Hill is a rental and might not be back next year. He also is aging. Hanley is going to be the DH. Shaw has to be the 1B next year. Sam Travis might have competed for it but losing this season sets him back.
Thus, I can't see the Sox trading Shaw.
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Post by danr on Jul 8, 2016 2:24:38 GMT -5
The thing I love about this trade is that none of us knows what's coming. No one predicted this and it is a very intelligent deal. Let's hope he has a couple more like it in the pipeline.
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Post by danr on Jul 7, 2016 14:42:28 GMT -5
I mean, I may be out of the loop, but I was under the impression that a small amount of unsupervised alcohol consumption was not uncommon in college today. Perhaps even among athletes.
I think you are the first poster to say Groome's issue is drinking. It is one maturity issue I've been concerned about for Groome for awhile. I still thought he'd go top ten however. The Sox would be very smart to weigh his risk reward. They know this number. I also think it would be a good thing to get Groome away from his current environment. Among the things I learned in college was how to drink and, after some practice, how not to drink too much.
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Post by danr on Jul 7, 2016 0:40:37 GMT -5
It now appears that the Sox will not get the pitching help they need from Pawtucket. I think that means they almost certainly will acquire a starting pitching and very likely a relief pitcher at or before the deadline. I doubt they will get "elite" pitchers, but they might get someone who doesn't get hammered regularly, just occasionally. And that would be an upgrade. They don't need a huge upgrade, just someone who can go six innings fairly regularly and a RP of reasonable skills.
I don't think they need to trade for an outfielder, but if Shaw is seriously hurt, then they have a 3B problem. They might put Holt at 3B and keep Brentz in LF. He certainly is doing better than any of us had a right to expect. Holt would be a downgrade in hitting but maybe somewhat of an upgrade in defense.
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