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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 12, 2013 21:05:40 GMT -5
The other thing about Jon is he has that typical jock talk including both sides of an argument at the same time. I found the weei interview of particular interest. All the quotes were positive towards a home town discount but the actual words were on both sides of the argument. I hope he stays. I hope the deal is reasonable. But if this is not in the cards, I hope we move forward by the deadline and land way more than a pick. Let's let Price set the market. Has John Henry ever traded a front line player let alone a front line pitcher in his tenure with the sox... the last I heard about from the office statements was the sox are in contention every year and they need their stars... We the fans here need to remember that and look at what the front office always does with it's front line players coming to the end of their current contracts. I don't think they are going to trade Lester, it will be on the same lines as Jake, Damon, and all the other front liners in their final year. The only front liners traded were that malcontent bunch that was necessitated by their actions in the clubhouse. Manny I guess can be counted as a trade for another star power but once again that was a discipline antics decision.
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 12, 2013 18:27:30 GMT -5
Often they would sign it right after the season started, which is why Lester said spring training. Is that because or like what happened with Adrian Gonzales and his extension so it wouldn't be counted in this years Luxury tax if they wait to sign until after the season started. I think that is the way it goes and if so wouldn't that effect Lester and this year's tax?
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 12, 2013 11:05:36 GMT -5
To me if they bring back Drew then there all set with WMB. He has nothing to prove at AAA. He may have some holes right now but I think this is a perfect opportunity to see what you have with these young kids. Xander at SS and WMB at 3b. This is my opinion I want the Sox to move on . They have a lot invested in the SS position throughout the minors also. Middlebrooks has only 356 Triple-A plate appearances, where he has a .268/.320/.491 line. A strong case can be made (especially in hindsight) that he was rushed through that level because they didn't really have another alternative when Youkilis got hurt, and that rushing him hurt his development. The thing is with Middlebrooks as I remember he was red hot in '12 at AAA and then with Youks poor start and getting hurt in late April or May, Middlebrooks forced his was up and his performance kept him there. He may of needed more AAA time but with Bobby V heading the show that was the PR move to save face.
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 11, 2013 22:59:45 GMT -5
“@jonheymancbs: #yankees turned down a brandon phillips for brett gardner offer. #reds” GEEZ NYY Key word on this twit is Heyman shill for the MFY's. Makes you wonder if he is spewing to appease the fans... lol
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 11, 2013 21:57:21 GMT -5
Craziest windup I've ever seen. Is he standing on the rubber? Or just warming up? More importantly, is he BFF with one Tanaka? Well it was said earlier that he had ties to Big Papi and Bobby V... Apparently the tie to Ortiz is about 525Ft ouch
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 9, 2013 12:31:31 GMT -5
Jason Mastrodonato ?@jmastrodonato 10m Belief by some at Winter Meetings is that Red Sox could sell high on Daniel Nava or Mike Carp. Carp makes a lot of sense for a lot of teams. Rob Bradford ?@bradfo 12m Seems to be a lot of interest in Mike Carp. Considering what's left in first base maker, makes sense Two points: 2) If I'm trading Mike Carp, I'm valuing him as a Top 25 or 30 prospect. IOW, it's not absolutely certain that he'll be great, but it's very likely, and in fact his MLB experience and success last year offsets the three years of control instead of six. I'd only be happy if the return elicited the word "holy" plus an expletive from the majority of folks here. Well Tampa does need a cheap first baseman and they do have an available pitcherHoly WHAT?
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 8, 2013 13:52:22 GMT -5
A few people want it to happen, like myself. People saying he's past his prime is a little ridiculous. I just drool at the thought of 2011 Kemp in our lineup.We all do. Who wouldn't? The problem is that the Sox would almost certainly not getting that version Kemp unless they have access to a time machine. And to dream we just about, almost, could of had that guy with a little less chance of re-injury till the MFY's took him ... at almost, close too, at the same price sort of...
Ah to dream about the past and what might of been!!! lol
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 7, 2013 11:07:32 GMT -5
Consistently playing the superstition card vs. actually trashing the team are two different things. I'm amazed how many people didn't grasp this with WCP's comments last season (and really every season that I remember). Looking at the MFY's moves my first thought was that they are back on top...until I saw Amfox's breakdown of their roster. Even assuming full health that is not a particularly terrifying team. Thank you. With that said, I understand why it annoys people, so I won't be making any reverse jinx posts anymore. Hey that's not fair you can't change that ... last season I thought you won more games with it than most and besides I enjoyed someone who did what I was doing at home... LOL
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 6, 2013 22:10:02 GMT -5
Well take solace in the Yankees forfeiting own first and all comp picks too in a deep draft when their system blows and they have an old roster. Maybe we can trade Balcom-Miller or somebody like that for Alfonso Soriano plus the cash their getting from the cubs ... that ought to free up a spot for em and give em some pitching depth ... after all we need a cheap fielder to help out Bradley. LOL
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 6, 2013 17:05:56 GMT -5
Doesn't Cano getting those years 8-9-10 mean a lot though? He's likely to be AROD-like where they are paying huge dollars to someone who can barely play replacement level baseball, if at all. I'm not talking about the Arod of the last couple years (when on the field) I'm talking about the ARod we're likely to see over the next 3-4 years. However, if you can't make your team good enough during Elsbury's good years then that contract was a waste too... I think this is a case of the Mariners screwing themselves and the Yankees, which is kind of nice. I don't know. I'd say based on the alternatives Seattle chose the right player to go 9 or 10 years with from what was available on the free agent market. He's the one player I'd look to give a chance to provide positive value in the back end of the deal. I guess I'm buying his hitting ability to sustain him. The power is likely to decline but he can extend his career as a .280 to .285 hitter, 15 to 17 HR player who is average in the field at 2nd IMO. Just as Ortiz has remained productive despite his age. I think Seattle gets enough value in the first 7 years to make the last 3 seasons worth the risk. This slight "overpay" also legitimizes the team to other free agents they are trying to land and sends a signal to the fan base. Ticket sales should rise after this off season for Seattle which should have a part B and part C coming. Despite a long list of recent bad decisions for Nintendo it looks like they might have made a pretty solid one here. 3 Year Marketing Strategy = Buy CANO, buy X power player, buy X outfielder, trade for Price and shoot the moon for 1st World Series... Thanks for giving us team dad we are now SELLING TEAM for good profit!
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 6, 2013 16:47:43 GMT -5
I'm in Billings, MT, it's been well below 0, yet it feels like a great day, for some reason ... Is it because those oil wells give off a lot of heat? Only if your an Eco-terrorist or a democrat in eMpTyland!
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 6, 2013 16:45:59 GMT -5
Enrique Rojas/ESPN ?@enrique_Rojas1 6m #Mariners and Cano agree. $240 million/10 years. Physical next monday in Seattle I'm in Billings, MT, it's been well below 0, yet it feels like a great day, for some reason ... Hey what are you doing in eMpTyland??? Don't you know it is cool this time of year and the fields are to frozen for ball!!!
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 6, 2013 12:34:03 GMT -5
3 years may not be the preference but if they want him over Hart it's not a deal breaker IMO. Ben has handled his business we'll and there are zero bad deals on the roster right now. An extra year of Napoli is tolerable even if it's not ideal due to the fact he can handle the defensive side well and there is no doubt a hole at the position for the club outside of a Carp/Nava platoon. Plus if in the third year it turns sour can't this team just do like they did with Youks or a few others and eat some to get another player up or like they are doing with Dempster/Peavy this year in all reality. The Sox aren't paupers or alone in eating a contract year to retain a player for short time of actual need.
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 6, 2013 12:06:31 GMT -5
This is correct and it definitely complicates things. If you go to Tampa, expecting to avoid state taxes, you'll be surprised when most of your away games are in states with state taxes that will want their share of your millions. Is that really true? I had never heard this before. What happens to traveling salesman who might visit several states for work? Does he really have to sit and file 14 different returns every April? TurboTax is really gotta be frying servers over trying to figure out Nava's paltry return then!
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 6, 2013 11:50:42 GMT -5
At some point, someone in Japan will challenge this system legally. It's in the Japanese owners interest to move now. If it were not, why would they be willing to max out the signing fee at $20 mil now? They are doing it for a reason. At some point some player in Japan is going to cause a rukus over this because they might just have a case. Rakuten maybe getting $70 mil over the rights to even talk to this guy. It's gotten ridiculous. I think you have a good point but I also think your missing something. MLB is in control here as they have an agreement with the other league to NOT sign Japanese players from their League until after 9 yrs service time or the posting way. However that is not bound in stone as with Taz who was Japanese but not signed into their league. We saw that happen this last year with the young player who just about didn't sign into their league this year. Now it is the Japanese player's right to sign on in Japan just as it is here in our draft. Once that happens it is between their players union and their ownership to work out their player and team rights which they do by the way. The players can sign on with another league (if they are wanted) BUT they can never come back and play in the Japanese league if they do (that is their agreement not ours). Mlb now honors the wish of the Japanese league to not sign away players from that league until they reach the agreed years of team control. MLB doesn't as a group have to honor that agreement if our owners get together and agree not to in reality. I therefore don't see that there is anything for the Japanese players to sue for especially as their players association was noted the other day to be in negotiations as to whether to agree within their league the other day.
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 5, 2013 16:31:00 GMT -5
The only top level players in trades that have actually happened there are Fielder and Scherzer. About the salary considerations, remember the Sox did offer 5 years, $100 million/6 years, $120 million to Ellsbury. So they were at least somewhat prepared to have a $20 million dollar player on the roster next season. According to both Rob Bradford and Ken Davidoff, talks with Ellsbury never went beyond $80 million over eight years. It sounds like no formal offer was even made from the language they used, and my brother Danny Picard reports that indeed they did not ever make one. And last year it was rumored to us by the boston writers he turned down a 5/100 somehow I can't believe twitter feeds are anything but gossiping on it now. And to back up it is all gossip from Gordon Edes we have: the Boston Red Sox made two offers to the outfielder, reports Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston. The first was for six years and under $120 million while the second was for five years and $100 million.
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 5, 2013 11:17:10 GMT -5
I may be lower on Ellsbury than most, but I don't blame him for leaving at all considering the money he was offered. Honestly, these media types need to look at the big picture. These players are drafted by a team and have no real choice but to sign with that team. They are forced to stay with said organization often for 9-10 years of their lives. Who says they even really like that team/organization? Especially in Ellsbury's case where they kind of screwed him over before. Players have no reason to be loyal to any team to be honest. There are one or two things most players are predictable about in their desire to stick with winners and not to play for teams that ripped off their personal favorite player when they were young. In that case it should be noted that Jake turned down the Mariners for Griffey slights. It shows in Sherman's Post article that where he stated that the Yanks thought he would go to the Mariners by him being from Oregon, but that wasn't true. It is telling that the Mariners were willing to give Ellsbury a nine-year deal and Ells was uninterested or as MLBTradeRumors puts it "apparently less than enthused about going to Seattle." nypost.com/2013/12/04/how-jacoby-ellsbury-became-a-yankee/
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 3, 2013 21:14:16 GMT -5
When the Angels let Mark Texeira go in 2008, they drafted Mike Trout with the compensation pick. Let's hope the Red Sox draft the next Mike Trout with the Yankee's 1st round pick next year... Even though it isn't how the pick now work ... we can now look forward to the sox signing Granderson for more headaches and losing their first round pick or Bradley will turn out to be a .240 .320 .350 hitter for too many years as mostly you can't steal magic in a bottle twice in a row very easily. Plus they lose the magic of all those steals with the leadoff hitter to worry the opposing pitchers. My guess is this outfield will match the 1997 team now.
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 2, 2013 17:14:12 GMT -5
@jayson Stark Scott Boras is rarely in a hurry but clubs are reporting Ellsbury talks are moving faster than expected. Winter-mettings deal not impossible Reading between the lines, this sounds like the client is steering the bus if not driving it outright. Would benefit them to wait, at least from a max dollars perspective, but that this may get done soon rather than later sounds to me - pure speculation on my part - that Ells asked for a quicker resolution rather than letting the process "evolve" as Scott likes to say. Doesn't this statement also coincide with what came out and soxfanatic quoted in the offseason sox thread. If that is true than Ellsbury may still be wanting to stick around and the 5/100M that was believed to be offered earlier by the sox may well be authentic. Hopefully it is an option for holding on to Jake.
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Post by Gwell55 on Nov 30, 2013 20:29:18 GMT -5
My first reaction is they were referring to Salty. It's hard for me to imagine that reading. They've already tried to sign Ruiz as option A. It's a little late to say they're starting to decide on an alternative! I don't think they'd walk away from Ellsbury so soon - it's hard to believe they'll bite early on Beltran, and we've heard no chatter on Choo - and Drew's replacement is of course in house. Napoli makes sense if you consider that Corey Hart's medicals come in this week, imagining he's the primary alternative. He's already likely lost the Rangers as a potential suitor. Seems to me like it is Napoli as the other options guys to decide upon are Justin Morneau plus Corey Hart. The rumors over to MlbTrade are that the Rockies are hot after Morneau and are becoming very aggressive in talks with him. If Morneau signs in the near future that could limit who Boston is looking at for replacements.
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Post by Gwell55 on Nov 24, 2013 21:06:47 GMT -5
What should happen is the Dollars during the suspension should be collected by MLB and sent to agreed upon charity between the club and MLB. That would be the fair thing to do. If the contract is guaranteed (such as in baseball) than the luxury tax shouldn't be reduced because the club elected to pay those dollars when the contract was signed. It's really a question of whether you think the team should be punished for the indiscretions of the player. There are arguments both ways, but that's the crux of the issue. I kind of agree with your logic except that to me if a player is suspended for charging the mound, fighting, and other infractions than why isn't that deducted from the luxury tax also. Isn't that money paid into a fund at MLB?
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Post by Gwell55 on Nov 24, 2013 19:51:42 GMT -5
It alters what the Yankees spend and what he gets for that year. I'm not saying I agree but you asked the difference and that's a distinct difference. Why should a team be financially obligated fir luxury tax dollars when they aren't for real dollars? What should happen is the Dollars during the suspension should be collected by MLB and sent to agreed upon charity between the club and MLB. That would be the fair thing to do. If the contract is guaranteed (such as in baseball) than the luxury tax shouldn't be reduced because the club elected to pay those dollars when the contract was signed.
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Post by Gwell55 on Nov 23, 2013 19:31:03 GMT -5
Salty is not coming back. If they didn't want to go more than 3 on McCann who is a superior player why would they go 3 or 4 with Salty. I would think because there is No one else reasonable who adds some power on a 3 yr or less contract that is left handed and can play 120 Games next year besides Pierzynski who it is noted has clubhouse questions? Wouldn't 3 years also give Swihart/Vazquez one year of MLB backup to learn the MLB game better?
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Post by Gwell55 on Nov 19, 2013 0:04:56 GMT -5
Mike trout is 22 years old. If he had Tanaka's service time he'd be making $20 mil plus. And he wouldn't have to leave $70 mil on the table in his next contract for the Angels to snap up. It's unfair and mlb is colluding to perpetuate it out of their own self interest. They are the guys holding the gavel at the slave trading block, whether it's gold plated or not. Maybe they will actually do something about it this year. And if Tanaka would of started here with the Marlins or Houston with a guaranteed 2 years+ in the minors he would be making maybe 4-8 million in a higher salaried league so he still isn't any more picked on that any other MLB pampered young gun. And life would go on...
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Post by Gwell55 on Nov 18, 2013 23:44:10 GMT -5
Signing Tanaka is going to require a minimum of $120 mil to get done, but in Japan he's worth $4 mil, because it's an inferior league. Ok. I get it. This is getting beyond ridicules isn't it? Trout is worth 510,000 here and Miggy is worth 22M so what is the argument is 4M isn't fair to play in a league that sets it's own boundaries and the players have a right when they are drafted into it to accept or not! That is not slavery nor should it be claimed as such either.
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