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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 5, 2022 8:48:26 GMT -5
Scheduled for open heart surgery in the morning, how about a real easy tape to tape win tonight so my heart doesn't get too riled up. I would like to be around for one more dynasty please, city of champions!!
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Post by voiceofreason on May 31, 2022 13:47:13 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on May 31, 2022 12:14:41 GMT -5
Are you saying anyone who doesn't win a championship is soft, a moron or a fraud? That would cover many many guys who are in the HOF for their respective sports. I just find those words to be harsh considering what they do, which is to compete at the very highest level. I mean Tatum just became the 2nd youngest player of all time to reach 1500 points in the playoffs, I would say he is off to a good start and could win the whole thing this year. On a different note. What would the Boston sports world be saying about Marcus today if Butler hit that shot and the C's lost after he missed those last 5 shots which led to the Heat closing the gap. It is a fine line between loser and winner in sports much of the time. I don't want to drag down the enthusiasm we should all have so I'm done with the negative stuff. This series should be a lot of fun to watch. No, I was being sarcastic. I don't like it either, but have learned to ignore it or just leave when it's too much. Piling negativity on top of watching bad play is not enjoyable. I thought you were and tried to word it as such, I failed. I have learned to ignore it also and sometimes just avoid it altogether especially in the Sox game thread especially if they are losing or off to a bad start like this year. Hopefully the Sox can turn it around like the C's and B's did.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 30, 2022 17:53:38 GMT -5
Accept when the complaining isn't isolated to some bad play but goes further into personal attacks. These guys are losers, frauds, morons, soft etc etc... yet in the finals now and in 4 of the last 5 ECF finals. Sure they don't always play great but I can do without the personal and character attacks. Maybe some of us old timers understand you aren't going to win a championship every season and enjoy the process of competing and not sucking like so many other franchises and cities do year after year. Being a fan of a cities teams isn't about winning a championship every year as it just doesn't happen very often, unless of course you are a Boston fan and spoiled rotten over the last 20 years. #86 years I expect a Finals win at some point in the next 3 years. Lebron and MJ didn't win until they were 27. That's how long it takes before you learn not to be soft or a moron or a fraud. Are you saying anyone who doesn't win a championship is soft, a moron or a fraud? That would cover many many guys who are in the HOF for their respective sports. I just find those words to be harsh considering what they do, which is to compete at the very highest level. I mean Tatum just became the 2nd youngest player of all time to reach 1500 points in the playoffs, I would say he is off to a good start and could win the whole thing this year. On a different note. What would the Boston sports world be saying about Marcus today if Butler hit that shot and the C's lost after he missed those last 5 shots which led to the Heat closing the gap. It is a fine line between loser and winner in sports much of the time. I don't want to drag down the enthusiasm we should all have so I'm done with the negative stuff. This series should be a lot of fun to watch.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 30, 2022 15:31:55 GMT -5
The only thing I can think of is that some people are afraid to invest to much emotionally lest they may be let down. It's a game you will recover. When you are positive the ride is alot better and the whiners can be unbearable. What some call a process I call a character flaw. Constant complaining about other posters is something I call a character flaw. Accept when the complaining isn't isolated to some bad play but goes further into personal attacks. These guys are losers, frauds, morons, soft etc etc... yet in the finals now and in 4 of the last 5 ECF finals. Sure they don't always play great but I can do without the personal and character attacks. Maybe some of us old timers understand you aren't going to win a championship every season and enjoy the process of competing and not sucking like so many other franchises and cities do year after year. Being a fan of a cities teams isn't about winning a championship every year as it just doesn't happen very often, unless of course you are a Boston fan and spoiled rotten over the last 20 years. #86 years
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Post by voiceofreason on May 30, 2022 15:18:37 GMT -5
Yeah but seriously if Butler hit that shot I would have called this franchise cursed because there would be no explanation lol. Thankfully, it's a long way back to Lenny Bias and Reggie Lewis. Not to mention the draft that had the C's being odds on favorites to get Duncan but losing out.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 30, 2022 7:28:25 GMT -5
This Celtic team has gone thru a lot to get here but they are now here. Think about the last 5 years with all the different guys who have come and gone. All the big names, failed signings, failed trades and they overcame all of that. That isn't easy because each of those failings came with a cost but they just kept working and winning. From the 11th seed 4 months ago to the finals it has been a great ride getting here. It's Boston sports, nothing comes easy.
I have no idea what happens vs the Warriors. Obviously they are on the back end of a dynasty and they are a very good team plus all of a sudden they seem deep with players that can make a difference. To me the C's matchup well against them as long as they are healthy which the schedule will help a lot. Can Timelord get healthy and dominate the paint? Does PP matchup better in this series, does he get minutes? Given the injuries and Als age the schedule should really help.
Celtics in 7
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Post by voiceofreason on May 28, 2022 12:54:01 GMT -5
You all had some good points and reasons to be luke warm on him but I am going all in type 40/10 season with a 70% comp rate and 4500+ yards. Which along with a great run game, as umass points out, will make the Pats very tough on that side of the ball. What I see is a guy who excels in the over the shoulder throws because he is so accurate and has great touch, that will lead to a better deep game with Parker and Thornton on the outside. Not only that but remember what Bourne said a few months ago, that Mac didn't even get starter reps during training camp. He was getting reps with the 2nd team until he destroyed the Giants during a practice and won the job. From an admittedly non-exhaustive analysis, here's what looks to be the full list of active quarterbacks who have had a season where they hit all of those numbers: --- Rodgers came close in 2020. Brees did it once and came close a second time. If Jones hit 3/4 of each those numbers we should be beyond thrilled, and I say that as a huge believer in him. Yes a bit over optimistic for sure, how about he just comes close to those numbers. With 17 games 265 gets you to 4500. Maybe 35/10 is more reasonable but 70% completion rate I think is doable unless they are throwing deep a lot. I guess I am really just saying he is going to have a very good season and surprise some people. Just like last year.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 27, 2022 7:24:01 GMT -5
I argued the merits of this signing and then had to watch as he got off to a terrible start. Now I am watching the redemption tour hoping it just keeps on going. It is early obviously but he is at least showing what he is capable of and he has proven he can overcome the pressure that accompanies playing in Boston. He made it extra hard on himself with that start and took a lot of heat so I am just glad he looks like he will be a big addition at a good price, kudos Chaim.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 27, 2022 7:08:15 GMT -5
After game 2 and coming back to Boston I was over confident and the C's obviously were also. Can't let that happen again they need to put the pedal to the metal and close this out. Then hopefully the NBA gives them a break with the schedule so they have a few days because I have very little hope that Dallas will win in GS. I also hope the NBA learned a lesson and has more than 1 night off during the finals, like maybe 2 days in between the travel days at the start of the series. I also hope Brown will learn his lesson about driving into the teeth unless he can realize they are collapsing on him and dish to the open guy. The C's "should" have this but give Miami credit, if you look at that roster you don't think yeah they are a #1 seed type of team. Oladipo is the only top 10 pick on the team, Butlers intensity drives their engine glad he isn't in Philly. The finals schedule has been out for a bit now: Game 1: 6/2 Game 2: 6/5 Game 3: 6/8 Game 4: 6/10 Game 5: 6/13 Game 6: 6/16 Game 7: 6/19 I really like that schedule for the C's but the game times I hate for me. Every game starts at either 8 or 9, not a single afternoon game and all but 1 game is being played with the following day being a work day. Will kids that need to go to school the next day be watching. I understand the west coast and ratings thing but maybe a couple day games on the weekend would be a good idea, JS.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 27, 2022 6:46:00 GMT -5
Of course replacing a guy that nobody wanted a year ago is going to be hard....
I love Al and he is perfect for this team right now for a few reasons and no replacing him isn't going to be easy. But with the look of the roster being what it is and the ability to contend being what it is doesn't that mean veterans will be interested in joining the team in the future.
The whole team is coming back next yr and dare I say they should be better. Based on the performances this season every single player other than Theis is signed for at least a few years at bargain prices. And Theis is close to being worth his contract, maybe just a couple million off.
It isn't going to be easy but like I said when this whole debate started,"the payroll situation isn't a total mess." Which it isn't, in fact given what I said above they are in a pretty good situation. Especially for a team that should be competing for a title this year. Based on next yrs salaries league wide Tatum is the 35th highest paid and Brown is 45th and they will be for the next few years and covers a lot of their prime, that is an absolute coop. And as was stated above Smart and RW have out played their extensions already also, how about G Will and his value. How can that not be considered a good situation?
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Post by voiceofreason on May 26, 2022 19:51:02 GMT -5
Don't want to be a downer, yet the salary cap isn't in great condition. You use that big trade exception and fill out the roster you have by far the largest luxury tax bill we've ever had. Horford has played about as many games this year as he did the last two combined and is almost 36. You can hope he repeats this, yet that's not a given. He won't have that extra rest where he was able to work on conditioning. Finding a replacement for Horford isn't going to be easy. There just aren't many players that have his D, shooting, passing, dribbling, etc. Robert Williams has to be healthy. Smart has to be healthy. Finding players that fit Imes system isn’t going to be easy. Switchable defender that can pass and play good team ball while hitting shots. Every contender wants players like that. They need to treat this like it's their best chance, because it might be. I sure hope that's wrong, yet you never know. This is almost like the 2020 Heat, given the rapid change during the season. Look up at those Banners, those retired numbers and cement your place in Celtic and NBA history. It absolutely starts with ending this in 6, you've broken that teams spirit. Jimmy Butler looks clueless, no mismatches to exploit and he just doesn't know what to do. You got them on the ropes, finish them. You certainly need the rest to get ready for the Warriors. hoopshype.com/salaries/You want to say the C's are in bad shape when they don't even come close to other teams that hope to contend. How many guys are signed right now to deals that look like they are a bargain moving forward, all of them. How many guys will they be paying top dollar for as they reach there mid 30s, none and there are plenty of guys who are making more as they decline than Tatum as he ascends. The Horford deal comes off the books just when they will need to replace him based on his age. YES they are absolutely in a decent situation when it comes to the core of their roster and the salary cap moving forward. Just look at what the Warriors have been paying for the past 6 years, it isn't even close. They are in fine shape.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 26, 2022 8:24:48 GMT -5
Let's take a step back - think of where we were early in the season, below .500 and sinking. Flash forward - we are one win away from the finals. With a very young team, a rookie coach, supported by the savvy and wisdom of Al Horford. Are we all really aware of how special this is turning out to be? I AM!!!! Been thinking the same thoughts along with the fact that they are all coming back and the payroll situation isn't a total mess. Next years team should be better in many ways. Young guys continue to improve, more time together with Ime and with the trade exceptions and being a better destination for vets. Heck the J's haven't even hit their prime yet. Dare I say the "D" word in making? We have been hoping for this for a few years and the time has come, special indeed!! AND a fun team to get behind with their playing style.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 26, 2022 8:02:47 GMT -5
After game 2 and coming back to Boston I was over confident and the C's obviously were also. Can't let that happen again they need to put the pedal to the metal and close this out. Then hopefully the NBA gives them a break with the schedule so they have a few days because I have very little hope that Dallas will win in GS. I also hope the NBA learned a lesson and has more than 1 night off during the finals, like maybe 2 days in between the travel days at the start of the series.
I also hope Brown will learn his lesson about driving into the teeth unless he can realize they are collapsing on him and dish to the open guy. The C's "should" have this but give Miami credit, if you look at that roster you don't think yeah they are a #1 seed type of team. Oladipo is the only top 10 pick on the team, Butlers intensity drives their engine glad he isn't in Philly.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 25, 2022 9:42:33 GMT -5
The garbage players mean very little and only play in a lopsided game with minutes left, no impact. Players 6 thru 9 matter and depending on health during this playoff run the C's have had the upper hand off the bench.
What matters is defensive intensity and that is hard to maintain with a every other night off schedule. It is no surprise to see these games decided by which team is healthier and playing great D, which seems to be happening every other game. I think the wily Heat realize this and kind of mailed the last game in knowing the series would go to a best out of 3 with them having 2 home games. It isn't as much intentional as it is psychological on the defensive end. Bottom line for the C's now after 4 games is they need to realize that if they don't turn the ball over the Heat are unable to score efficiently in the halfcourt. So take care of the ball, move the ball and stop dribbling into the teeth and play D. I think they can do that and take the series but health could end up being a deciding factor.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 24, 2022 16:07:14 GMT -5
You all had some good points and reasons to be luke warm on him but I am going all in type 40/10 season with a 70% comp rate and 4500+ yards. Which along with a great run game, as umass points out, will make the Pats very tough on that side of the ball. What I see is a guy who excels in the over the shoulder throws because he is so accurate and has great touch, that will lead to a better deep game with Parker and Thornton on the outside. Not only that but remember what Bourne said a few months ago, that Mac didn't even get starter reps during training camp. He was getting reps with the 2nd team until he destroyed the Giants during a practice and won the job.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 24, 2022 7:02:26 GMT -5
I know I am not alone here in thinking that Mac Jones is really good and the Pats got very lucky drafting him where they did, but. There are many out there, not so much here, that are still doubtful and are predicting a sophomore slump. Well he has done exactly what I thought he would do this off season which is to work on his body and his game just like Tom always did. I am going to go out there on a limb and predict an MVP type season, he won't win but he will be in the conversation. Without getting into the actual numbers I believe Mac will be close to leading the league in QBR and have a td/int ratio in the vicinity of 40/10.
I don't care about all this noise about who the OC is going to be and who will be calling the plays, BB believes in Judge and Patricia so I am not going to question that. IMO the Pats have been a little too predictable with the play calling under Josh for a while so a change could be good.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 23, 2022 21:48:03 GMT -5
Pretty sure the lead never went below 23 points. JS
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Post by voiceofreason on May 23, 2022 18:16:43 GMT -5
Crazy Magic Johnson stat.
He won High School State championship. College championship as a sophomore and NBA Championship his rookie season. Three championships at each level in 4 yrs.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 23, 2022 18:10:05 GMT -5
All anybody talks about is the Celtics either playing well or not, Tatum this Brown that etc.
Yeah know what, the Heat don't suck and they play a part in how the C's perform. They are the #1 seed and play with a lot of moxie. They got punked in game 2 and responded with some extremely tough D in game 3, why isn't anyone talking about that. The C's are the better team but the Heat are tough as nails and this is why they play the games, this is great sports. Would every one rather the C's blow them out in 4.
And sure Tatum needs to stop berating the refs, shut up and play the game but he just turned 24. What were we all doing at 24 and did we mature a bit after that age, didn't he just finish #6 in the MVP voting. He and Brown both have not hit their ceilings yet and a championship this year would be ahead of schedule by any measure.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 21, 2022 21:43:10 GMT -5
White isn’t scoring well, but the team is scoring well with him on the court and they are playing very good defense. His Net rating is 3rd best on the team behind Pritchard and Horford largely because of the defense when he’s on the court. Outside of his shooting, which is no small thing, he’s been very good otherwise. No Sh't... nobody is saying he hasn't been good. Would he be better if he was shooting better than 25% from 3??? Would the C's be a better team if he was shooting 38% from deep? He has been very good but his shooting has been atrocious, is that so hard to admit.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 21, 2022 13:03:28 GMT -5
Derek White is shooting 34.7% and 23.7% from deep in 12 playoff games averaging 6.7 points per game. In the two starts he got with Smart out, he's made 1 FG in two games. I wouldn't call that very good. He's had a few good games, yet when we needed him the most he was a complete zero. Now given how long it took everyone on the team to adjust to the offense, maybe he just needs time. Yet how has he been very good? This is why I said to send him to the same guy Grant worked with. If he could become a bonus shooting from 3 it would be huge for the C's, right now he is a liability shooting. That would go a long ways in this team being even better next yr. Three guys coming off the bench that can all be very good from deep. What a fun ride it has been to go from "almost time to blow it up" to best team in basketball for 4-5 months and a legit shot at a trophy. They are very good and fun to watch when the ball is moving.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 18, 2022 13:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on May 18, 2022 13:44:18 GMT -5
Aaron Nesmith is an enigma. On the one hand, I think he has always been a total dog and there’s no way he doesn’t have a decent NBA career with his effort and drive. On the other hand, the shot looks broken. I’ve never loved his shot. Aside from this year’s obviously bad percentages and the “doesn’t play enough to warm up” narratives, the ball doesn’t look good out of his hand. The mechanics look really funky and out of sorts. I actually don’t fault Danny for taking him over Bane, because he’s big and he clearly has the character and drive to be great (I actually wanted Maxey because I thought what the Celtics needed most was secondary play creation, which I still think is lacking (looking at you, Derrick White)). I’m just not sure the shot will ever get there. Speaking of White, he needs to spend the summer with the guy that Grant Williams did last off season, the lethal shooter. If he could sink 38+% of his threes the C's would be really hard to beat.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 18, 2022 10:13:25 GMT -5
I think the 2 most important players needed to thwart a run like the Heat went on in the third and get the team to settle down would be the 2 vets and team leaders. I hope they can get their vets and their legs back for game 2.
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