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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 7, 2022 10:21:40 GMT -5
I was so out on Ime a couple months ago, and I may have been so wrong. You were not alone.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 6, 2022 9:57:01 GMT -5
Maybe if they told Kreiji that he would have both Hall and Pasta as linemates he would have stuck around... It's nice to be an armchair QB but I didn't like the Ullmark signing from day 1. And yes Tex it would have been foolish to go with rookie goalies but this whole season was a crapshoot. I remember the 71 Bruins as being one of the best teams in history and a rookie Goalie named Dryden stole a cup from them. Sometimes you got to take a real flier and this team on the backend of some great players needed to take a flier, IMO. I was going to bring up Dryden myself in my response and now i'm glad I did not as you already did. Swayman's success should not be a big surprise as not only did he win the award for top college hockey goalie at UMaine but was also a Hobey Baker top 3 finalist for best College Hockey Player period. He played very well last season for the Wanna B's and was great in the 10 games he started for Boston last season. He should never have been considered your typical rookie and that is not Monday morning quarterbacking. Even Vladar looked like he could at least be a good back-up goalie with solid stats in his 5 game tryout and if I remember correctly one bad game swayed his stats to average or maybe that was Swayman whose great stats moved to merely good with one bad game in 10. The point is it was not the typical risk associated with one would typically associated with going with two rookie goalies. That and we already knew Tuukka would be there at some point should the (exaggerated) risk come to fruition. I think the path most traveled was low risk low reward. The other path was medium risk hi reward, and the kind of decisions that if you want to win you have to take once in a while. I'm sorry but when you dig into the situation with the 2 rookies knowing you had a former Vezina goalie fighting his way back on the cheap to play one more time with the team to make another Cup run, that merely stating the line it was two risky to try and do that with 2 rookie goalies should have been challenged alot more than it has and was not foolish at all. I said it after last season and I'll say it today as well. Both goalies have played very well this season and I don't think it should have surprised anyone. Did you know that the B's had the rights to both Dryden and Bernie Parent in the 60's?
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 5, 2022 17:54:42 GMT -5
Maybe if they told Kreiji that he would have both Hall and Pasta as linemates he would have stuck around...
It's nice to be an armchair QB but I didn't like the Ullmark signing from day 1. And yes Tex it would have been foolish to go with rookie goalies but this whole season was a crapshoot.
I remember the 71 Bruins as being one of the best teams in history and a rookie Goalie named Dryden stole a cup from them. Sometimes you got to take a real flier and this team on the backend of some great players needed to take a flier, IMO.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 4, 2022 11:45:33 GMT -5
Just like the C's the B's are putting together some good wins lately. And Swaymen is proving that the Ulmark signing was indeed a bad idea, they should have spent that money on a top Dlinemen.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 4, 2022 11:43:05 GMT -5
Just a reminder that after watching Tatum play for the past 4 years he is always better in the 2nd half of the season and not by a small margin. Unlike other player from what I have seen he is always much better as the season goes on so hopefully this continues.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 4, 2022 5:11:52 GMT -5
If this is the case than they should get out of the baseball business. Sell your team, take your profit and go F off.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 3, 2022 10:49:27 GMT -5
An extreme measure but they could pull it off and people would watch just out of curiousness and maybe a little support. It would be a serious overhand right to the noggin of the billionaire class owners. Part of mlb is this idea of playing on the grandest stage of them all. Being in the spotlight and making the big play in the biggest cities. A players league just wouldn’t have that I don’t think. 6 teams? Yuck. You can’t play fantasy baseball with 6 teams of players. You don’t have the cards or big stage. So if you don’t have the eyeballs what major fox style network would want to purchase this and show it? You know dang well mlbnetwork wont. And why would any network that has a standing contract with mlb buy in and show its competitor especially after its spending major money on mlb. On so many levels the pushback wouldn’t be there , but if that helps this gets done and said players want to take the jump I say by all means jump and move forward with those who wish to play. The biggest thing that needs to happen is players hopefully agree at $20 million increase in cbt and/or tv contracts start being talked about being cut I refer you to what Underwater Johnson posted. This isn't a permanent league idea it is a temporary thing to let the owners know that there bullying tactics are not going to work and it is time for them to get serious about a fair CBA.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 3, 2022 8:40:18 GMT -5
D. The Players League!
The Players League actually makes more and more sense by the day.
4. Teams are chosen through a sandlot style draft. Televised. Are you telling me you wouldn’t watch that?
I know a lot of you have ridiculed the idea already but what leverage do the players have that's stronger than actually doing what they do best (i.e. play baseball) in a league that the owners don't control? The owners showed yesterday exactly how much leverage they think the union has by standing pat and laughing all the way to the podium. What's the other ace up the union's sleeve?
Sure, you’d watch it. I’d watch it. Lots of SP members would watch it, but you’re discounting what a tiny subset of the population are hardcore baseball fans like us. I don’t hate the idea of a player’s league but history tells us new sports leagues struggle. I think a league like that would have a very tough time creating revenue. Throw in the fact that the only purpose of the league is to get a successful negotiation going, which would lead to the disbanding of the league. I live in Charleston, SC now and I am fortunate to be about five minutes from the Charleston Riverdogs. I’ll be watching them a lot this year. For the most part I agree but there is potential to actually succeed at it. Think about a concert being thrown up in a field somewhere or the popup restaurants that have started over the past decade or the exhibition golf challenges. They are generating revenues. It would be small and insignificant to a degree but it would still be a punch in the owners nose. Other Professional leagues have seen there salary caps go up by 50-70% over the same period of time that MLB's has gone up by around 15%, from what I have read. The owners unwillingness to move on that front or the compensation pool for prearbitration players just screams greed to me and the majority of fans I think agree. Or at least the people who understand the size of the pie and favor an equal distribution of that pie.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 3, 2022 6:42:45 GMT -5
An extreme measure but they could pull it off and people would watch just out of curiousness and maybe a little support. It would be a serious overhand right to the noggin of the billionaire class owners.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 2, 2022 18:32:36 GMT -5
Just canceled my MLB tv subscription. If everybody did that, maybe they'd get the message. Doubt it because they are so damn obtuse and arrogant, but you certainly did the right/smart thing. Actually I think they pay attention to a lot of stuff that affects their bottom line. A message needs to be sent from the people who make this game so profitable, without the fans they have nothing and any message is a good one.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2022 6:10:46 GMT -5
If ticket prices are so high that MLB prices out young families, and the younger generationS (anyone under 40), then I wonder about the longevity of MLB. My kids could care less about the MLB or going to games. There are literally 100s of things they would rather use their time and money on. I am 61 years old and have been a Red Sox diehard for 51 years. I wonder what the average age of the people are on this web site. From bit and pieces I have read, I would actually guess that at least half are older than me. What does this mean for both fans attending over priced games, and even viewership on TV? Baseball is a form of entertainment, and really competes for dollars that consumers pay for any activity that someone may want to do or watch.....whatever. The fact that today's younger generation doesn't watch has varying degrees of importance. Of course they want as many eyeballs as possible, but the ownership of a team allows for many ways to make money. The franchises are worth more than they have ever been and when they come up for sale, there is no shortage of interest. Not really trying to criticize your point, but you mentioned both parties making way too much money. That is not something I really understand. The industry, like every other industry, seeks to maximize their revenues and baseball has never made more money. The argument, as I see it, is that ownership has taken advantage of that growth and not shared it in a way that the players feel is fair. I don't see that as an unreasonable argument. Any person in a workforce is usually looking to maximize their earnings potential. For a ML baseball player, that earnings potential is lucky to be 4-6 years. Most fans should be behind them, if you ask me, but them making too much money is not really something I can agree with. I 100% agree with everything you said and argue for the balance of sharing the revenues with the players completely, I have a business background and totally get it. But then there is that side of me that thinks hey these guys are the luckiest guys in the world to be playing a game for a living and making as much as they do. I know it's fair but man don't I wish I was good enough at a sport to make millions doing it. They don't realize how good they have it but that isn't really their fault, most of them have a had a red carpet stretched out in front of them their whole lives as that is how society treats great athletes from an early age. Players from just 30 years ago are at times miffed at todays players and their entitlement. Having said that I still think they should be getting their fair share of the pie. Fact is that pie has become so huge people have a hard time grasping the money involved. I mean NFL teams have become such a cash cow that it cost a billion dollars just to get in the league the last time they expanded. That was over 20 years ago, how much would it be today?
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 27, 2022 10:47:40 GMT -5
Also great to see PP have a great game with Marcus in foul trouble.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 27, 2022 6:58:06 GMT -5
Yup that 45 day thing is just a joke and only serves as a prop for the owners to use as a negotiating chip. If I was a player I would be pissed off also, heck I am anyway. I just can't wait to go to a game and pay 8 dollars for a hot dog or 10 for a 50 cent beer.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 26, 2022 11:11:20 GMT -5
While the owners are crying that they don't make much money, the players bring up Atlanta, which is a public corporation, like the Packers. All is laid out in their P & L. They make lots of money and they can't hide it. I wonder if the players said, ok screw it, forget games this season. See you in 2023. I think the owners might back down then. The players keep getting screwed and they know it. Maybe they'll finally say they've had enough and no more. The players and the fans keep getting screwed, billionaires don't care about the peasants. They fail to realize they wouldn't be rich without the rest of us.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 26, 2022 7:49:05 GMT -5
So are we supposed to be happy that the league and the players were able to discuss a draft lottery and make some progress on that front as is currently being reported? I don't think so. With the owners trying to paint that as a concession on their part it makes me all the more angry. I mean really they are considering that a concession, that is a joke and it makes me think this isn't ending any time soon.
Just my opinion but it feels like the owners are not only snubbing their noses at the players but also us fans. As fans we need a voice.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 25, 2022 18:05:04 GMT -5
Maybe but I think this is what happens when you rely on a computer to do your thinking for you. A little bit like totally relying on analytics to build out a roster, balance is the key. They do have ridiculous numbers since December 1 Believe me I am impressed, this defense is unbelievable. I have never seen a team switch non stop all over the court and they are flying around to boot. But the computer is putting a lot of weight on recency' in this case maybe rightfully so. Another thing is the referee bias that goes on so the C's are able to take advantage of that. To me it just seems like the refs are letting some stuff go cause the C's are flying around and challenging a lot of shots without getting called. Once a team or player gets the reputation as a great defender they can get away with more, the refs call them differently. Like when Smart came into the league and even Theis, they were both good defenders but they got called for everything for a couple years before that got a reputation. It is the same thing as the superstar treatment. That and they are finally pushing the ball, they need more of that. Looking forward to seeing what they can do against some of the better teams.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 25, 2022 14:22:30 GMT -5
538 has the Celtics with the best odds in the NBA of winning the finals. They may want to rewrite their algorithm Maybe but I think this is what happens when you rely on a computer to do your thinking for you. A little bit like totally relying on analytics to build out a roster, balance is the key.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 25, 2022 12:37:06 GMT -5
My gosh Jimed.. I couldn't help but read that and just gawk at how someone can believe this (while true now in many parts of the country) and continue to vote politicians who vote/enact these, as well as worse into law. It wasn't always this way and many remember when free enterprise was exactly that. dollar tied to gold standard. I suggest stop empowering lunatics in office for a start who promise further lunatic policies and old men without a clue as to what day it is. Citizens United
Sorry Chris, my last comment on that.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 25, 2022 8:57:09 GMT -5
prospectlove I have read all your posts while we have all been commenting on this thread and they have all been pro-owner as far as I can see. I have thought about responding but didn't bother as I try to stay away from being argumentative here, everyone is entitled to their opinions. And thru the years I have learned to not try and change peoples minds as it is not my place and usually not very fruitful, I have better things to do than to argue beliefs vs facts.
Although I want there to be baseball soon I realize that I am being selfish in just wanting what I want. Sometimes there needs to be some pain involved for change to happen as that is the only way things get done. Thru out our nations history labor wars have occurred and that has led to the field being leveled between owners and workers, usually to the benefit of the workers. I know the players make a lot of money but they have lost the last few CBA negotiations and it is only right/fair that the playing field is leveled a bit. From what I can see the owners are being greedy and are not willing to give back any of the gains they have accrued over the past 10 years so screw them. They don't get screwed often so they can suck it up and take it as far as I am concerned as it isn't going to change their lives one iota.
And I won my fantasy league last yr but won't collect my winnings til this season is ready to start so I have 1,000 reasons to want this to be over dammit.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 25, 2022 6:02:50 GMT -5
Not to keep flooding this thread with new rule thoughts but I think this is a popular one for peoples opinions. As far as I am concerned based on the graph that shows how Detroit set up for Gallos at bats, practice laying down a bunt or going the other way. You are a professional hitter so adjust and stop being a one trick pony. Just get on base any way that you can, isn't that what modern day metrics is preaching. It is amazing that the stats say it cost him 59 hits last season, if that is the case why wouldn't you continue to shift. And if that is the case then why don't hitters like him make adjustments to combat it. To me it just adds more strategy to the game, why would the league want to minimize that and make play more standardized. The whole "thats not fair" argument just doesn't do it for me. Adjust or fail and quit your bitchen Joey. To me it is great strategy and a willingness to think beyond the way things have always been done and that is awesome. Just because something has always been done a certain way doesn't mean it is the way things should stay going forward if new ideas prove to be successful. Just like having good pitchers go out and do there best for 3,4 innings rather than the old way of going 9 or bust. Me personally, I had a successful career that I partially doomed by resisting change and not embracing the "new" way of doing things. So I learned the hard way that innovation is inevitable, so adjust or fail is a very real thing. www.audacy.com/wfan/sports/yankees/joey-gallo-speaks-out-against-the-shift?utm_campaign=www.audacy.com%252Fwfan&utm_content=1645736381&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=WFAN-AM&fbclid=IwAR0M46qDIkIT_LMbi4Pv4aF3qNgIk57WwoP1drzIa_lK3CnT4TO3T91mNkY
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 25, 2022 4:39:56 GMT -5
Meanwhile, while I was watching the Super Bowl I actually thought Bloom was at a party saying to someone, "The Bengals should trade Burrow after this game win or lose. Think of the value they'll get..." …..but will it be the final year of Burrow’s contract?? All the better his value will never be higher, strike while the iron is hot.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 25, 2022 4:35:41 GMT -5
Noticed Horford a lot tonight I had just read a story about Horfords minutes being around 25/gm recently and him playing well. So in a blowout that was never very close why does Ime have him out there for 32 and Theis gets 6 minutes. Ime needs to pay more attention to things like this if they are going to maintain the level of play they have had over the last 20 games. It seems like Marcus really likes shooting on the Nets home court.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 24, 2022 17:39:30 GMT -5
That would lead to a constant all-out war over what is considered revenues. The owners aren't going to include all their real estate that they have bought around stadiums, nor are they going to include any revenues for the regional sports networks they own. They have shell companies of off shore companies of other shell companies hiding every single possible bit of revenue other than what is publicly known and will go to war to continue to hide every penny. Kinda like how they pay no taxes ever, because they're always "losing" money. This is not like the NFL where every team makes publicly known similar ridiculous money because of national tv contracts. If the players actually got 47% of ALL the revenue, the league minimum would probably have to be $3M and payrolls would have to double league wide. But the owners who also own RSNs will say they aren't getting any cable money. It’s clear you aren’t fan of owners and the billions they make. The United States is based off the free market. It has led to several billionaires and millionaires. You look at the richest men in the United States and they are all owners of companies that do exactly what you are talking about. How in the heck do you propose to break that decades and decades long system up that has literally happened since world war 2 in the United States? I feel like your mad at a system put in place and the fact that things aren’t equal and fair. Yes in a perfect world that would happen. It doesn’t happen in real world. This fight only seriously hurts the players and their grasp for a lot more! Players shouldn’t have a right to hotel profits or tv profits. What’s next? Baseball card sales? Maybe airplane revenues from owners that fly their team back and forth to games? To prove my point about the only people hurt is ball players: how much have team values increased since the last player strike? The players are NEVER going to get what they are asking for from owners. And I also don’t think they will win the court of public opinion on this either. So many things to disagree with here and since politics is off limits on this site, rightfully so, I won't get into all of them. It seems to me from reading your posts that you lean in the direction of the owners. Your understanding of the economic history of our country is a little off, I suggest you read a little bit about the New Deal and how the first true middle class was created. And if you don't think the owners are going to lose in the court of public opinion I don't think you have a very strong grasp on what the majority thinks. Adding in your comments on "hotel profits or planes" etc is disingenuous and yes the players should have a piece of the TV profits, every other league includes the money from tv deals. And just because things have been a certain way doesn't mean change won't happen. Maybe once the top 1 percent of people have 60% of all the wealth everyone else will realize that the policies that have made that happen should change. Just a thought.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 24, 2022 17:07:07 GMT -5
My two cents, is I think some people are overreacting. I've seen 52 wins predicted, 18-4 is one heck of a finish. That is a bit crazy but given the schedule I think 15-7, 16-6 is reasonable. For them to remain on the same trajectory as a team that can succeed in the playoffs then 50 wins seems like the target.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 24, 2022 16:09:46 GMT -5
Ok so now the 2nd sports site, The Ringer, has put the C's in the top position for winning the title out of the East. Fivethirtyeight did so last week and that was dubious but now with The Ringer putting them at the top of the list I have to take notice.
All I can say is pretty much everyone here, including me, had given up and wanted to start planning for next season. With good reason. Did the C's really turn this around to that extent? It seems like many so called experts seem to think so. I think it comes down to health, not just the C's but every other team out there also.
One thing I think I like is the roster Brad has put together. They don't have the third star but they have a strong middle class and they have them signed for a while. If they can continue to move the ball as a team on the offensive end and continue to improve while playing great D who knows. If they can start hitting the 3 more consistently it would certainly help.
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