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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 13, 2022 11:19:28 GMT -5
It is pretty funny that Cohen was just quoted at spring training saying that he probably will go over the 4th luxury tax at 290 million dollars and it really doesn't particularly phase him at all. Lol New Yorkers have themselves a new Steinbrenner.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 13, 2022 11:00:31 GMT -5
Feels like a trade with Oakland needs to happen. A Bassitt + Murphy package makes sense to me. I know that would be expensive, but feels like a clear way to boost our SP and our lineup given that Suzuki/Schwarber/Correa all appear unlikely. I am going to remain optimistic on Suzuki!!
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 13, 2022 10:52:50 GMT -5
I like Watson among who is left. To me, there were 2 crucial ABs that killed the Sox in the ALCS. The first was Eovaldi vs Castro and the umpire screwed the Sox on that one. The other was the next batter Brantley. With Taylor already used, Cora did not feel comfortable bringing in Davis, and for good reason. He turned to Martin Perez who gave up a bases clearing double and by time he left a 3-2 deficit ballooned to 9-2. So now we see Strahm as a second lefty and another on the way. They still need a high leverage right who can close though. They can't rely on Barnes or Brasier. They have been relying on Barnes for years and last season he had a break out season because he was convinced to stop nibbling and go after batters. He was lights out til August and then something happened. I will bet we see the lights out guy more than the August disaster. They might not want to completely depend on him closing but he is still the best high leverage RP they have at the moment and he was one of the best in the league until said break down.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 12, 2022 13:39:29 GMT -5
Could not tagging JC be a sign that BB figures, heck we couldn't make the Bills punt once in 2 games so playing man coverage doesn't work and we might as well add to the offense.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 12, 2022 12:36:56 GMT -5
Soler has one season in his career where he's put up more than 1 WAR. He's not good! That is what I saying, he isn't very good so no on Soler.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 12, 2022 12:12:33 GMT -5
I dont dispute that the players are more important to the product than owners. That being said most of the 1200 best players in the world are signed to contracts and maybe I'm wrong couldn't just go start their own league without the owners suing them. And theoretically owners have way more money to spend in a lawsuit than the players. Thankfully none of my post matters as we have the MLB back for another season here. The idea was that it starts slow, with only a handful of teams in the first year comprised of the players who are currently FAs or arb eligible. Second year they get all the FAs and arbs from that year, more than doubling the size of the PL. Given that so few players have contracts more than three years, you have a majority of the players by then.
The idea was also that just by demonstrating that the players don't need the owners, even with a small barnstorming league in the first year, it would pull the owners back to the negotiating table and force them to offer concessions.
I am also glad that it's no longer needed but if I were a MLBPA lawyer, I would explore the feasibility over the next five years.
I think I like what you are putting down but stadiums aren't cheap, where would they play?
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 12, 2022 12:08:46 GMT -5
If the Sox are talking to Soler it's because he's probably their backup plan for Suzuki. It's slim pickings if they don't land Suzuki. Soler, for the price, would be the highest upside bat and they'd stick him in LF with Verdugo in RF and defense late game situations with JBJ. I'd much prefer Suzuki but it might not happen. Yea but ugh he's so bad in the field and none of that sounds good either that I'm not really digging it. I guess Suzuki or bust? Yup on Suzuki or bust. The Sox need him and have the money which is why have been confident about him being here. I don't know other teams situations but ever since the Hunter trade it seems like the Sox have the greatest need.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 12, 2022 12:03:47 GMT -5
This is one I dont get unless the thought is to trade JD? He's a horrible fielder. If the Sox are talking to Soler it's because he's probably their backup plan for Suzuki. It's slim pickings if they don't land Suzuki. Soler, for the price, would be the highest upside bat and they'd stick him in LF with Verdugo in RF and defense late game situations with JBJ. I'd much prefer Suzuki but it might not happen. Thru 94 games with KC last season Soler had a OPS of 658, he was worse than Dalbec. That isn't a very good backup plan. Franchy was better LOL
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 12, 2022 11:53:38 GMT -5
I just want to see Freddie stay in Atlanta. It just seems right. Going to the Dodgers just so wrong. Where are the Dodgers getting all of this money from? Must be nice to blow through the luxury tax every year. They signed a local tv deal for 8.35 billion a few yrs ago that pays 240 m/yr.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 12, 2022 11:32:24 GMT -5
No on Soler!! Yes on Suzuki, McHugh and another pitcher.
I agree with all of the go for it and go over the cap this season crew for all the reasons mentioned. I'm not big on Correa though given his contract demands and history of playing time, that contract has albatross written all over it if someone gives him the 340.
At least we have something to talk about.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 12, 2022 11:20:40 GMT -5
I realize that during the lockout there could not be any communication between MLPA players and the clubs. But if its target were Suzuki I'm surprised Boston didn't already have an agreement in principle with him followed by an announcement an already. This has me concerned but his agent is probably hoping to get some competition going.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2022 10:14:08 GMT -5
I don't think I have really put anyone down and as you mentioned my post was full of sarcasm, I actually thought it was humorous. The thing is you post pretty often in the owners favor and I usually ignore it but at times I am in the mood to disagree so I do. Not much more than that going on. I do think my view on the rich is tainted by watching the the policies of the last 40 years cause the accumulation of wealth get to absurd levels again and the political discourse that is dividing the country. Two things that I am very passionate about. Thirty years ago someone paid 82 million dollars for a painting, since I grew up poor that has always stuck with me as being absurd. I do have a question for you though. A while back you mention a business going under because of a union and I was wondering if you could expound on that. Again might be my experience and where we live could be changing our perspectives. I fully respect and agree on your concerns in ways I’ve never lived. I’m not old but I’m not young either. Now with that said: there have been several instances where “in my opinion” unions used strike to demand more and more. In ever changing fast paced business environment, with competitors, the cost of labor and benefits after the strike was settled had the business shutting down. An easy example would be the automotive industry where govt had to bail them out due to costs of expenses ( locked in with the agreement) vs profits they were making. I live in an environment where an asphalt company was shut down 3 years in a row because the union struck for 10% raises per year for 4 years . They used the height of season and demand as leverage ( which was smart). They also used existing contracts with liquid damages on them as leverage ( essentially if that job wasn’t done on time the business would be fined per day). So counties found others to complete the projects and passed on the expense to the company. Long story short that’s when I learned about companies being able to declare and impasse and impose their last offer . They then brought back said workers who wanted to come back non union. Kellogg a cereal is doing that now with their line workers I know I’ve come across as pro business and don’t care for players and I do! I don’t think owners are perfect in this and thought they owed players. Not to mention you could see this building years ago! I’ve just seen downside for union members when an offer is imposed and harm it does to the market. And I don’t think a players league will work! ( opinion but time will tell if I’m right or wrong). Messages like texts can’t read sarcasm and I read your comments as a put down attempt rather than a joke. If I had that billion worth of equity I would think I would be a mark Cuban style owner while also paying close attention to making sure it could continue for the next generation ( if that makes sense on where my values lie)! Since this is off topic and is getting attention from the moderators I will respond in a different thread when I have more time.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2022 9:13:27 GMT -5
No not really at all. You have been adamant about a position that is IMO very inaccurate. And yet all I’m adamant about is there is another side of the coin. The “side” isn’t inaccurate at all, accept from viewpoint of your eyes. Or others. But there are equal number who see it through my lens. Is this not a place to talk baseball ( which sadly right now boils down to a lot of talk about the lockout)? Or is it just a place where you have to feel owners are rich and call them names based on that; and then put others down when they don’t agree with you? You flat out say “ no not at all” when said kinda sad about knocking or putting down a person for their viewpoint given facts. Who exactly does that paint a positive picture of, especially when I’m not putting anyone down or ridiculing them! It’s a blog. Your going to get differing opinions, especially about passionate subjects I don't think I have really put anyone down and as you mentioned my post was full of sarcasm, I actually thought it was humorous. The thing is you post pretty often in the owners favor and I usually ignore it but at times I am in the mood to disagree so I do. Not much more than that going on. I do think my view on the rich is tainted by watching the the policies of the last 40 years cause the accumulation of wealth get to absurd levels again and the political discourse that is dividing the country. Two things that I am very passionate about. Thirty years ago someone paid 82 million dollars for a painting, since I grew up poor that has always stuck with me as being absurd. I do have a question for you though. A while back you mention a business going under because of a union and I was wondering if you could expound on that.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2022 8:06:21 GMT -5
What a turn around for this team and Umm Tatum is legit on his way to MVP status. It isn't just the numbers he is a top defensive player when he puts his mind to it also, which he has lately. Tough to expend that much energy on both ends of the court for an extended period of time. The rest of the team was 6 for 28 from 3 tonight, 21%. His shooting efficiency was thru the roof. I’m not trying to be Debbie downer, and there are clear improvements, but Tatum still has a ways to go before he’s a legitimate MVP winning candidate. People are talking about him getting into the discussion this year and that’s all well and good, like he may finish in the top 7 but he has zero chance to win it or even sniff a first or second place vote. I agree completely, the use of the word "legitimate" may have been hyperbole by a bit but a top 7 finish for a guy who just turned 24 and is still progressing is fun to watch. As I have said before he always gets better in the 2nd half of seasons and I am optimistic his current level of play isn't a mirage and is a sign of who he can be regularly. The fact that he is a really tough defender puts him above many guys who are just offensive stars and that can be overlooked at times.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2022 5:24:16 GMT -5
What a turn around for this team and Umm Tatum is legit on his way to MVP status. It isn't just the numbers he is a top defensive player when he puts his mind to it also, which he has lately. Tough to expend that much energy on both ends of the court for an extended period of time.
The rest of the team was 6 for 28 from 3 tonight, 21%. His shooting efficiency was thru the roof.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2022 5:12:50 GMT -5
For all of you who share the opinion that the owners are giving up a lot and haven't been greedy I present to you the values in which they have risen from 2009-2019, only ten years and the values have gone up about 320% or more. And that is while making money every year. You can debate how much they make based on accounting wizardry but it is not a pittance by any means. There is a reason why these guys want to continue buying more sports teams worldwide and it isn't because the players get there fair share of the revenues. This whole thing is just big business at a stalemate over the enormous pie. How would you like to buy a rental property for 250K that is creating good positive cash flow every year and is worth 800k+ 10 years later? The answer is simple. www.axios.com/major-league-baseball-team-value-a8454505-cc7d-4bb3-9406-d4f11cce7f80.htmlThis is exactly what shows the world that baseball is not "in trouble" and doesn't need to tweak 100 different rules to "make the game more exciting." Baseball is doing just fine.
The fact that the NFL is better at selling itself and is more naturally conducive to building the reality-show type of drama that our fellow citizens can't seem to get enough of (play one day per week, talk the other six days) and more intuitive to bet on doesn't mean that baseball is fading away, it just means that football is a better fit for 21st century America (and the violence of the game sure doesn't hurt that). That doesn't mean that we have to change baseball.
If you're going down the highway in your pickup at 65 mph and someone in a Lambo passes you going 150 mph, it doesn't mean you should go home and try to juice up your pickup so it can go 150. The NFL, NBA and NHL all tweek their rules on a regular basis to make their games "better". MLB has a rule about pitching in a timely manner that has never been enforced and just getting it enforced is a big deal. Analytics has changed the game for better or worse is up to debate but the game is different because of it. Should there be rule changes based on responding to those changes? I am an old dog also and don't like learning new tricks all the time but rolling with the punches and changing with the times is not up to me, like it or not.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2022 4:59:00 GMT -5
And prospectlove I am sure your last name isn't Henry or Werner but from your posts and your tenacity I would not bet that you aren't on their payroll. So how is that hunt for an NBA team going? I mean they have taken such a beating owning the Sox, Liverpool and a race team why would they want to keep adding to their holdings? Your sarcasm aside I’m not singling anyone out and trying to knock or ridicule them. Sorry you feel the need to. Kinda sad don’t you think.. No not really at all. You have been adamant about a position that is IMO very inaccurate.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2022 4:48:15 GMT -5
I repeat why do all of you care what owners and players make. I do not. Does this replace barroom irreverent conversation? Bored or nosy? It is conversation so if you don't care or are put off why read and respond? Go spend your time on something else.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2022 4:46:00 GMT -5
From the article I posted above. Latin players think the draft would further limit their initial earnings compared to American players of equal or even less talent. The draft would have to offer the same slot values. I (strongly) doubt that's part of the owners' proposal, but if it is it behooves them to get that information out. “When (the Royals’ Bobby Witt Jr.) signs for ($7.79 million) as a high-school shortstop (in 2019), then the No. 1 player in the Dominican Republic should be signing for something similar,” Cabrera said. “And if they’re not signing for something similar, you’ve got to have a pretty good reason why a kid in the Dominican Republic who has just as much skill as the American version is receiving $2 million to $3 million less than his counterpart, if you don’t have an excuse like, ‘We’ve got to stop the underhanded dealings out there.’” Are you related to any of these players? What do you care what they make?…..or are you all nosy or board? Legitimate question. Vote 1 for nosy or 2 for board.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 9, 2022 16:26:13 GMT -5
And prospectlove I am sure your last name isn't Henry or Werner but from your posts and your tenacity I would not bet that you aren't on their payroll. So how is that hunt for an NBA team going? I mean they have taken such a beating owning the Sox, Liverpool and a race team why would they want to keep adding to their holdings?
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 9, 2022 16:19:06 GMT -5
For all of you who share the opinion that the owners are giving up a lot and haven't been greedy I present to you the values in which they have risen from 2009-2019, only ten years and the values have gone up about 320% or more. And that is while making money every year. You can debate how much they make based on accounting wizardry but it is not a pittance by any means. There is a reason why these guys want to continue buying more sports teams worldwide and it isn't because the players get there fair share of the revenues. This whole thing is just big business at a stalemate over the enormous pie. How would you like to buy a rental property for 250K that is creating good positive cash flow every year and is worth 800k+ 10 years later? The answer is simple. www.axios.com/major-league-baseball-team-value-a8454505-cc7d-4bb3-9406-d4f11cce7f80.html
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 8, 2022 16:26:38 GMT -5
That's a lot for a 33 year old QB not named Brady. My thoughts exactly!! If Russ doesn't bring them a SB this could be bad for the Broncos IMO. Those top 4 picks along with Fant will hurt a few years down the road. But if he puts them over the top and they win a SB then it will be worth it, he might be that guy but I'm not convinced.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 8, 2022 16:13:37 GMT -5
"I compare him to me when I was playing. He can score 50 and be the best defender on the court. That's like me. He's coming." Michael Jordan on Jason Tatum WOW!! When his highness speaks about a player I pay attention. And that's a NC grad applauding a Dukie no less.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 7, 2022 10:46:35 GMT -5
But was Dryden the plan or the result. I'm just saying that few teams would've made the move to go with 2 rookies. As to Tuukka, I also believe that Sweeney knew him coming back and being successful was 50/50 at best. So, again, is that something you count on or just see if it works out. On Ullmarks "playoff success", does that mean you should never target a player who has never made the playoffs? He's been on some pretty terrible teams. The projection that a GM has to do is determining how that player (in this case, goalie) will do on a better team. I really believe they got the right guy for the role he's been asked to play (tandem starter, mentor, probably transitioning to more of a pure backup now) and he's been fine. They just gave him a silly contract. As I said before I get it in regards to having 2 rookies in net. It is more your last sentence that I had a hard time with, it was an overpay IMO. Great roadtrip!!
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 7, 2022 10:30:44 GMT -5
And seriously, Smart running point with 2 bigs. That should NOT work lol. Depends on the 2 bigs and how they are being used right. Ime moving RW off the ball and having him freelance while Horford defends the pick and roll was genius and he is using them perfectly.
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