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Sign Jose Dariel Abreu? (10/17 update: signing with CWS)
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 14, 2013 19:37:22 GMT -5
It's fairly clear teams won't pay big fora DH, right? Detroit pays big for like 5 of them. Which they can afford to do as they have Iglesias covering the entire infield for them...
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Post by bluechip on Aug 14, 2013 20:06:21 GMT -5
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Post by bighead on Aug 15, 2013 7:28:57 GMT -5
If he has a 70 hit tool - which I find a bit of a stretch if, as others say, he's not faced a lot of FBs over 90MPH - then he's an elite player just based on that. Combine it with 70 power and he's a top 10 hitter in MLB. Then again, this is Jim Bowden so take it all with a large grain of salt. I saw those grades and did a double take: Tim (StL)Bowden said his discussions with scouts about Jose Abreu gave him 70 hit/70 power tool - what's your take? Klaw (2:15 PM)That's saying he'll be a .320ish hitter with 30+ bombs. I don't think I have ever had a scout hang those grades on any player to me.
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Post by WayBackWasdin on Aug 15, 2013 14:14:04 GMT -5
I can't stop watching this. I have Abreu fever and if that's wrong I don't want to be right. He's exactly what the Sox need and if he lives up to even half of his hype he's an upgrade over anything we have in the foreseeable future at first base and he's a built in Ortiz replacement. As a side note I picture the cuban missile crisis was similar to how the rest of the league felt every time Abreu came to the plate.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 16, 2013 3:59:59 GMT -5
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 16, 2013 8:59:33 GMT -5
I'm guessing this 86 MPH slop would evidence the vast disparity in pitching he has faced.
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 16, 2013 9:27:25 GMT -5
I don't think it really tells you anything other than he can hit a curveball. It isn't a complete hanger and even good pitchers throw a dud now and again.
In my opinion with the success of Puig the sox have to take this chance. Unless he is asking for a ungodly amount of years they should roll the dice. I think worst case is that he ends up in the minors for a year getting adjusted.
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Post by njsox on Aug 16, 2013 11:06:23 GMT -5
This is a hanger, but listen to the sound off the bat, I would definitely roll the dice on this kid.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 16, 2013 11:29:44 GMT -5
I would definitely due my due diligence on this guy before making a decision on how much to throw at this guy. Maybe the Sox decide the risk is worth some big dollars, but maybe they decide not to go all in.
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Post by 1mpaz10 on Aug 16, 2013 11:44:09 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Aug 17, 2013 12:39:28 GMT -5
Looks like a Sept showcase.
Passan tweets
Jose Abreu almost certainly will command the biggest contract ever for a Cuban. He is a huge, power-hitting 1B. Bidding could reach $60M+.
Source: Cuban star Jose Dariel Abreu will be represented by agents Barry Praver and Bart Hernandez. Plans to have showcase in September.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2013 15:02:38 GMT -5
This is a hanger, but listen to the sound off the bat, I would definitely roll the dice on this kid. Love it... The Sox should hire some blind scouts to listen to how a guy hits or to hear the pop in the mit. Could give them an edge.
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Post by kman22 on Aug 17, 2013 16:11:55 GMT -5
This is a hanger, but listen to the sound off the bat, I would definitely roll the dice on this kid. Love it... The Sox should hire some blind scouts to listen to how a guy hits or to hear the pop in the mit. Could give them an edge. That would make a decent movie.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 22, 2013 4:48:11 GMT -5
Jesse Sanchez ?@jessesanchezmlb Source: Jose Abreu is establishing residency in Haiti. There isn't a open showcase scheduled yet & he'll likely be an offseason sign. #Cuba
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Post by jimoh on Aug 28, 2013 18:09:06 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/majors/mlb-slows-down-process-for-cuban-signings/"Even after Cuban players have met the United States government’s requirements to sign, Major League Baseball has put into place its own rule that can delay them from beginning their baseball careers.... ..... The increased waiting time could end up affecting Abreu, who figures to be one of the more attractive free agents this offseason once he becomes available to sign...."
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Post by bluechip on Sept 4, 2013 19:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Sept 12, 2013 20:44:41 GMT -5
Dionisio Soldevila ?@dsoldevila Red Sox are also scouting Jose Abreu here in the DR. He also had a tryout for them today.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 12, 2013 21:33:59 GMT -5
So it begins.....
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 12, 2013 21:42:53 GMT -5
Soldevila also said that Giants GM was down there watching him too with Felipe Alou.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Sept 12, 2013 22:42:34 GMT -5
I'd think Abreu is going to have to scout as a substantially better hitter than Napoli for them to go all-in on him. The power would seem somewhat relative, and Napoli has a leg up in the field, both for his play at first and in-a-pinch versatility behind the plate, plus familiarity and clubhouse presence (an assumption, admittedly, but he appears be be very well liked by this team and past teams).
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 16, 2013 14:25:39 GMT -5
I just don't see how this happens.
Remember that one of Theo's rules, which he almost certainly broke with the combination of letting Beltre go and trading for Gonzalez, was "resist the temptation to try and build a super-team." IOW, don't make a risky move to upgrade a strength into something you perceive as even better.*
So, you have a chance to re-sign the 7th-best 1B in MLB for a bargain price, and you know he can play in this city and fits in this clubhouse. You'd have to be insanely convinced of Abreu's talent to take on the extra risk of signing him.
And if you hope to sign him, you probably can't offer Napoli a QO, because there is a decent chance he'd accept, and now you have a problem on your hands (you'd have to ask Napoli's permission to trade him.) And not offering him a QO likely alienates him to the point of making re-signing him difficult. Now you've put yourself into a position of either having to sign Abreu, or trading for someone, which probably means paying more for less.
And on top of it all, you may have no idea when Abreu will be able to sign. He'll be a nice target for teams with money to spend and a mediocre 1B they'd like to upgrade. But he's not a good target for a team that needs to fill a hole there; by the time you find out you're not signing him, your options may end up far too limited.
*This is of course also a good rationale for re-signing Salty for a discount, rather than trying to upgrade to McCann.
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Post by kman22 on Sept 16, 2013 14:44:13 GMT -5
I just don't see how this happens. Remember that one of Theo's rules, which he almost certainly broke with the combination of letting Beltre go and trading for Gonzalez, was "resist the temptation to try and build a super-team." IOW, don't make a risky move to upgrade a strength into something you perceive as even better.* So, you have a chance to re-sign the 7th-best 1B in MLB for a bargain price, and you know he can play in this city and fits in this clubhouse. You'd have to be insanely convinced of Abreu's talent to take on the extra risk of signing him. And if you hope to sign him, you probably can't offer Napoli a QO, because there is a decent chance he'd accept, and now you have a problem on your hands (you'd have to ask Napoli's permission to trade him.) And not offering him a QO likely alienates him to the point of making re-signing him difficult. Now you've put yourself into a position of either having to sign Abreu, or trading for someone, which probably means paying more for less. And on top of it all, you may have no idea when Abreu will be able to sign. He'll be a nice target for teams with money to spend and a mediocre 1B they'd like to upgrade. But he's not a good target for a team that needs to fill a hole there; by the time you find out you're not signing him, your options may end up far too limited. *This is of course also a good rationale for re-signing Salty for a discount, rather than trying to upgrade to McCann. I don't see how both is a bad situation.
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Post by bjb406 on Sept 16, 2013 15:16:23 GMT -5
I just don't see how this happens. Remember that one of Theo's rules, which he almost certainly broke with the combination of letting Beltre go and trading for Gonzalez, was "resist the temptation to try and build a super-team." IOW, don't make a risky move to upgrade a strength into something you perceive as even better.* So, you have a chance to re-sign the 7th-best 1B in MLB for a bargain price, and you know he can play in this city and fits in this clubhouse. You'd have to be insanely convinced of Abreu's talent to take on the extra risk of signing him. And if you hope to sign him, you probably can't offer Napoli a QO, because there is a decent chance he'd accept, and now you have a problem on your hands (you'd have to ask Napoli's permission to trade him.) And not offering him a QO likely alienates him to the point of making re-signing him difficult. Now you've put yourself into a position of either having to sign Abreu, or trading for someone, which probably means paying more for less. And on top of it all, you may have no idea when Abreu will be able to sign. He'll be a nice target for teams with money to spend and a mediocre 1B they'd like to upgrade. But he's not a good target for a team that needs to fill a hole there; by the time you find out you're not signing him, your options may end up far too limited. *This is of course also a good rationale for re-signing Salty for a discount, rather than trying to upgrade to McCann. this post has a lot of flawed logic. First of all, Napoli and Salt would both be wanting a pay raise this year. I think its a stretch to call what either of them will be making a discount. Also, handing out qualifying offers is the very first thing that we will do this offseason. If you wouldn't mind terribly if they accepted, and think they can command more in free agency if you don't make a qualifying offer, which is effeminately true for Napoli and probably true for Salt, then you make the QO. The decision to sign Abreu or Mccan is contingent on them rejecting a qualifying offer, which in Napoli's case is a virtual certainty. Then you start negotiating with everyone at the same time; if there are no other suitors for either Napoli or Salt, then great you can get them cheap, if someone else is willing to go significant money for multiple years, then they are no longer a bargain so you look elsewhere. Just because you are interested in Abreu doesn't mean you have to avoid Napoli like the plague. Talking to both doesn't mean you have to sign both, you negotiate with both and let the market dictate your decision. If Napoli accepts a QO then great, you have him for relatively cheap and you don't have to worry about signing someone else. Still I think the only scenario where that happens is if he is injured between now and November. And its a similar situation with Salt/Mccann.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 16, 2013 16:33:42 GMT -5
I just don't see how this happens. Remember that one of Theo's rules, which he almost certainly broke with the combination of letting Beltre go and trading for Gonzalez, was "resist the temptation to try and build a super-team." IOW, don't make a risky move to upgrade a strength into something you perceive as even better.* *This is of course also a good rationale for re-signing Salty for a discount, rather than trying to upgrade to McCann. Largely agree on Napoli/Abreu, except that I think you can prolly have discussions with both. On Salty vs McCann, I don't think it's a "risky move" to get McCann, unless you dis Salty before you sign the other guy. In either case, the Sox should be looking for options to play against each other, and handing out QO's is the best way to get some leverage in those negotiations.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 16, 2013 16:50:46 GMT -5
I don't think it's a slam dunk that you can assume Napoli is coming back for a year at the qualifying offer.
Napoli might want to see if there's a two year deal on the table. His hip is questionable but nothing has happened thus far so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that some AL team would give him a two year deal. I wouldn't want that team to be the Sox.
There's also a possibility that this could be his last effective season. He has whiffed 178 times thus far. It could be that this continues and his BABIP dips lower and suddenly we're closing in on Rob Deer territory. Not sure I'd want to see the Sox go there in that scenario either.
My point isn't that the two above paragraphs are certainties, but the point is that they are realistic possibilities - as realistic as Napoli signing another 1 year deal and still being productive.
And there there is the realistic possibility that Abreu could be an amazing hitter - the type of true impact righthanded hitter the Sox haven't had since Manny. And you'd get him for less years and money than Manny and surrender no draft pick and have a guy locked up during his prime years.
Of course there's the possibility that Abreu isn't all that, but if the Sox scouting department thinks that he is then I have zero problem with the Sox taking that gamble that he's a long-term upgrade over Napoli.
I know Napoli is seen as a sure thing, but I think that's far from true, and depending on their scouts' views of Abreu, I don't think it's crazy for the Sox to seek a long-term solution and feel a little relieved to know that worst case scenario they have Mike Carp waiting in the wings if absolutely necessary.
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