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Post by barney27 on Aug 1, 2016 7:24:29 GMT -5
Do you think he'll get called up to Portland before season ends and not just the last few weeks? I don't think so, except for maybe the quick taste you're describing. I actually would like to see it, though, because Salem and the Carolina league are tough on offense. Both Moncada and Benintendi have shown more XB power in Portland. I think Devers will hit well there. Interesting comment. I had never heard that the Carolina league is tough on offense. I had always heard that the eastern league was a pitcher's league and tough on batters.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 1, 2016 8:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Aug 1, 2016 9:40:56 GMT -5
I don't think so, except for maybe the quick taste you're describing. I actually would like to see it, though, because Salem and the Carolina league are tough on offense. Both Moncada and Benintendi have shown more XB power in Portland. I think Devers will hit well there. Interesting comment. I had never heard that the Carolina league is tough on offense. I had always heard that the eastern league was a pitcher's league and tough on batters. Historically, the EL has been a pitcher's league. But that's changed some with newer parks. For example, the Sox used to play in New Britain's Beehive stadium, which was an absolute cavern. Mo Vaughn hit 8 dingers there, and Jeff Bagwell 4. Portland, if I recall, is essentially neutral or slightly favorable to offense. I'm sure somebody can confirm or deny that, I'm just too lazy to look it up at the moment.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 1, 2016 9:54:13 GMT -5
I don't think so, except for maybe the quick taste you're describing. I actually would like to see it, though, because Salem and the Carolina league are tough on offense. Both Moncada and Benintendi have shown more XB power in Portland. I think Devers will hit well there. Interesting comment. I had never heard that the Carolina league is tough on offense. I had always heard that the eastern league was a pitcher's league and tough on batters. Actually, Jimoh's citation shows the EL and CL about equal. I'm surprised that Salem's total offense isn't low, despite the HR suppression. But it does show Hadlock as being moderately beneficial to pitchers. Edit: Hitters. Good grief.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2016 12:35:17 GMT -5
Four months into the season, these are nine players who got off to slow starts the first two months of the season but have turn things around since June.
1. Rafael Devers, 3b, Red Sox
Few struggling players had less cause for concern early in the season than Devers. By the end of May, Devers was hitting just .195/.273/.310 for high Class A Salem, but his poor offensive output was more a byproduct of bad luck than anything else. Devers was still making contact at a high clip and driving the ball with authority to all fields, but the balls he was putting in play just weren’t landing for hits.
Devers’ luck has turned around the last two months as he’s batted .338/.385/.551 since June 1. He’s doing it all as a 19-year-old, well ahead of his peers who are mostly a level or two behind him. And while Devers’ bat is his calling card, he’s also made excellent progress defensively at third base. Read more at www.baseballamerica.com/minors/list-9-prospects-second-half-turnarounds/#PVMBsQOjOfHjOGvR.99
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Post by borisman on Aug 2, 2016 12:56:51 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Aug 2, 2016 15:43:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Cano has long been a popular comp based on swing mechanics. I also see why (purely in terms of swing mechanics) Sandoval has also been comped. Quiet hands, quick wrists that generate a lot of bat speed while still keeping the swing short and direct to the ball, more of a line-drive swing plane than an uppercut.
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Post by kman22 on Aug 2, 2016 17:26:25 GMT -5
Yeah, Cano has long been a popular comp based on swing mechanics. I also see why (purely in terms of swing mechanics) Sandoval has also been comped. Quiet hands, quick wrists that generate a lot of bat speed while still keeping the swing short and direct to the ball, more of a line-drive swing plane than an uppercut. He's also got the Sandoval comp in the field, precollapse Sandoval that is, which was a solid fielder at the hot corner.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 5, 2016 19:55:59 GMT -5
Yeah, Cano has long been a popular comp based on swing mechanics. I also see why (purely in terms of swing mechanics) Sandoval has also been comped. Quiet hands, quick wrists that generate a lot of bat speed while still keeping the swing short and direct to the ball, more of a line-drive swing plane than an uppercut. So he projects to be a fat guy making a lot of dough who doesn't hustle?
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Post by myleskennefick on Aug 6, 2016 2:08:34 GMT -5
Sandoval hustles, he just does it slowly
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Post by barney27 on Aug 6, 2016 8:03:09 GMT -5
devers appears to have adjusted to high A. Next year he will be in AA. Pitching level moves up quite a bit. Does he adjust like a cano or does it take him a while or maybe never. AA is usually the first break point on whether they can make the big club. Hopefully dd does not get any of his GREAT ideas and trade him.
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Post by soxjim on Aug 6, 2016 14:56:37 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing his development. Seems like form everything I'm reading a very high ceiling.
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Post by barney27 on Aug 6, 2016 18:32:15 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing his development. Seems like form everything I'm reading a very high ceiling. No doubt about that. But he will have to adjust to AA and then we see if his ceiling is still as high.
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 10, 2016 11:53:14 GMT -5
Sandoval hustles, he just does it slowly "All of the hustle, minus the drama that hustle brings."
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Post by carmenfanzone on May 4, 2017 12:04:59 GMT -5
The Red Sox clearly need help at 3rd and I do not see anybody at AAA who can help.
How long do they leave Devers at AA before moving him to AAA? Could he be an option for the Red Sox latter in the year if they push him to AAA in June?
I hope they will push him a little as I do not want to see them trading what is left of their farm system for a third baseman they may only need for a year or two until Devers arrives.
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Post by borisman on May 4, 2017 13:13:18 GMT -5
They'll trade him for a utility guy any time now.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 4, 2017 13:20:51 GMT -5
The Red Sox clearly need help at 3rd and I do not see anybody at AAA who can help. How long do they leave Devers at AA before moving him to AAA? Could he be an option for the Red Sox latter in the year if they push him to AAA in June? I hope they will push him a little as I do not want to see them trading what is left of their farm system for a third baseman they may only need for a year or two until Devers arrives. How much do really think they should push him? Realistically? I mean, he's had all of 75 PA's above A ball. So far it looks good, but go back 5 days and his numbers weren't nearly as good.
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Post by ramireja on May 4, 2017 13:23:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox clearly need help at 3rd and I do not see anybody at AAA who can help. How long do they leave Devers at AA before moving him to AAA? Could he be an option for the Red Sox latter in the year if they push him to AAA in June? I hope they will push him a little as I do not want to see them trading what is left of their farm system for a third baseman they may only need for a year or two until Devers arrives. How much do really think they should push him? Realistically? I mean, he's had all of 75 PA's above A ball. So far it looks good, but go back 5 days and his numbers weren't nearly as good. Yeah, in my mind he shouldn't reach the big club this year. A September call-up to experience the clubhouse and atmosphere? Maybe. But I don't want there to be any expectations that he would contribute at all this year. I think he should spend the better half of the year in Portland. If the reports are nice, promotion to Pawtucket where he should begin next year and preparing for an early summer call-up in 2018.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 4, 2017 13:56:58 GMT -5
Did we all already forget how Moncada (now the consensus top prospect in the game with Benintendi graduating) looked last September? There is absolutely no guarantee that Devers, this season, will be able to perform better than any of the MLB options.
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Post by radiohix on May 4, 2017 14:28:14 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on May 4, 2017 14:34:10 GMT -5
Did we all already forget how Moncada (now the consensus top prospect in the game with Benintendi graduating) looked last September? There is absolutely no guarantee that Devers, this season, will be able to perform better than any of the MLB options. Not that I'm calling for an immediate promotion or anything but Moncada was King at a 31% clip last year and was a year older than Devers who's striking out at 19% clip.
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Post by Coreno on May 4, 2017 14:44:39 GMT -5
I've been all for taking it slow with Devers. But now that I think about it, if everything breaks right, I could see him pulling a 2013 Xander, getting a midseason promotion to AAA, getting eased into the big leagues for the last month or so, and then being the starting 3B for the world champs. I know Bogaerts got a taste of AA the year prior, but Devers isn't too far behind the timelines set by the likes of he and Benintendi. I Wouldn't expect to see him any sooner than mid/late August, though. Again, this scenario presumes all other factors fall into place just right.
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Post by telson13 on May 4, 2017 14:55:24 GMT -5
I've been all for taking it slow with Devers. But now that I think about it, if everything breaks right, I could see him pulling a 2013 Xander, getting a midseason promotion to AAA, getting eased into the big leagues for the last month or so, and then being the starting 3B for the world champs. I know Bogaerts got a taste of AA the year prior, but Devers isn't too far behind the timelines set by the likes of he and Benintendi. I Wouldn't expect to see him any sooner than mid/late August, though. Again, this scenario presumes all other factors fall into place just right. My preseason hope/pseudo-prediction was a 2014 Mookie: AA dominance, a AAA stint with a few growing pains, and an August promotion out of need. Not really fair to "expect," but I did think he'd break out in Hadlock after playing pretty well in a much tougher HR park. And his defense seems much, much better than early CW anticipated. Nice footwork and a terrific arm. FWIW, Portland is a terrific venue for a game, if you want to catch Devers before the 3b black hole at the MLB level sucks him in.
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Post by thursty on May 4, 2017 14:58:53 GMT -5
Mookie put up a 158+ at AAA - not exactly "growing pains"
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Post by carmenfanzone on May 4, 2017 15:18:30 GMT -5
I've been all for taking it slow with Devers. But now that I think about it, if everything breaks right, I could see him pulling a 2013 Xander, getting a midseason promotion to AAA, getting eased into the big leagues for the last month or so, and then being the starting 3B for the world champs. I know Bogaerts got a taste of AA the year prior, but Devers isn't too far behind the timelines set by the likes of he and Benintendi. I Wouldn't expect to see him any sooner than mid/late August, though. Again, this scenario presumes all other factors fall into place just right. Bogaerts was the guy I was thinking of when I posted earlier today hoping that they push Devers a little with the hopes of having him ready to play in the majors by September. If the Red Sox are a playoff team, I do not want to see them playing Sandoval or Hernandez at 3B. And I do not want to see them trade away more minor leaguers to get a temporary replacement. Obviously, Devers needs to keep playing well or there is no chance of using him at third this year. But if he does continue to play well, I think they need to push him a little to see if he can handle it.
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