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Post by soxpatsceltics on May 4, 2017 15:51:14 GMT -5
The Sox have a non-prospect at 3B in AAA and Chavis and Dalbec are legit prospects that are thriving at their respective levels. Devers to AAA, Chavis to AA and Dalbec to A+ could happen sooner than you'd think.
I also don't think the Sox need to freak out about 3B just yet. I don't see Devers making it to the majors before August.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 4, 2017 16:03:59 GMT -5
The Sox have a non-prospect at 3B in AAA and Chavis and Dalbec are legit prospects that are thriving at their respective levels. Devers to AAA, Chavis to AA and Dalbec to A+ could happen sooner than you'd think. I also don't think the Sox need to freak out about 3B just yet. I don't see Devers making it to the majors before August. Well, I don't know about that. Dalbec is striking out in more than 1/3 of his plate appearances and his numbers have, as you might predict, plummeted after his good start (now .235/.330/.318 on the year) largely due to an 0-for-19 slump he had over five games before he got a hit yesterday. As for Chavis, he isn't playing the field because of the elbow injury he dealt with in spring training and that put him back on the DL for two weeks after his first game of the year - he's a full-time DH right now. Neither of those guys is going anywhere for the time being. As for Devers, I agree nobody's blocking him, but he'd move up when he's ready no matter who's ahead of him.
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Post by telson13 on May 4, 2017 17:24:14 GMT -5
Mookie put up a 158+ at AAA - not exactly "growing pains" He started poorly for the first 75 PA or so. By the end of it all, yeas, he was around .320/.400/.500 (I'm too lazy to look it up). He generally had about 70-120 AB at each level before he caught fire; the exception could be considered AA but I count his 2013 AFL stint as AA equivalent.
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Post by jimed14 on May 4, 2017 17:34:08 GMT -5
Would be nice to actually pause using up years of service when young players come up before they're ready.
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Post by thursty on May 4, 2017 17:56:21 GMT -5
Sorry to bust the false narrative, but you're wrong; he was called up on 28 June after less than a month in Pawtucket, with a 425/444
he did go 0/4 with a BB in his first game
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Post by iakovos11 on May 4, 2017 18:30:55 GMT -5
I've been all for taking it slow with Devers. But now that I think about it, if everything breaks right, I could see him pulling a 2013 Xander, getting a midseason promotion to AAA, getting eased into the big leagues for the last month or so, and then being the starting 3B for the world champs. I know Bogaerts got a taste of AA the year prior, but Devers isn't too far behind the timelines set by the likes of he and Benintendi. I Wouldn't expect to see him any sooner than mid/late August, though. Again, this scenario presumes all other factors fall into place just right. Bogaerts was the guy I was thinking of when I posted earlier today hoping that they push Devers a little with the hopes of having him ready to play in the majors by September. If the Red Sox are a playoff team, I do not want to see them playing Sandoval or Hernandez at 3B. And I do not want to see them trade away more minor leaguers to get a temporary replacement. Obviously, Devers needs to keep playing well or there is no chance of using him at third this year. But if he does continue to play well, I think they need to push him a little to see if he can handle it. Xander actually got 92 AB, so maybe 95 PA's, the previous year. He was a little more seasoned than Devers. I think the taste of a higher level one year, with the offseason to digest that and prepare for it the next year and then spring training getting ready for that level is a much bigger deal than just getting promoted to the new level and getting the first taste of that new level at the beginning of the next year.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 5, 2017 4:11:15 GMT -5
Although I know it is wise to be patient and not push him too fast thru the system. What I am hoping for is that he is so dominant that he dictates his own destiny and ends up in Boston by the middle of August. Long shot but you never know, he has the tools to make it happen. Can he take it to another level?
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Post by tookme55 on May 5, 2017 17:17:31 GMT -5
Basically, a team is owed 7 years of service if a team waits two or three weeks into the season. Ideally for the Sox, it would have been great if we had a productive 3B whose contract expired at the end of 2018.
That would have given Devers couple of more years to get ready.
We will probably need him sooner. If he continues to post big numbers, he may be needed later this season.
It would be great if his debut was May 2018 after we win the World Series this year.
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Post by larrycook on May 6, 2017 0:08:34 GMT -5
I have been incredibly impressed with Devers hot start this year. He is taking what they are pitching and hitting the ball extremely well.
I can not believe how much better and confident he looks at he plate than last year! Wow!
However I would like to see more walks though!
And as much as I am a fan of Devers, I do not think he needs to be in Boston now. He still needs work in the minors.
But this kid appears to have a bright future with the sox!
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Post by Guidas on May 6, 2017 15:17:42 GMT -5
Lou Merloni saying on Twitter that some people he has talked to in the Red Sox org want to bring Devers up for his defense alone until Pablo is ready. He also indicated that Dombrowski is in Portland to get a look for himself. FWIW
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Post by jimed14 on May 6, 2017 15:31:55 GMT -5
Lou Merloni saying on Twitter that some people he has talked to in the Red Sox org want to bring Devers up for his defense alone until Pablo is ready. He also indicated that Dombrowski is in Portland to get a look for himself. FWIW I think that's a pretty awful idea for his development.
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Post by thursty on May 6, 2017 16:07:26 GMT -5
I don't think that's a good idea, but I also don't think anyone should exaggerate the disastrous consequences if he doesn't do well
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Post by telson13 on May 6, 2017 16:40:41 GMT -5
Sorry to bust the false narrative, but you're wrong; he was called up on 28 June after less than a month in Pawtucket, with a 425/444 he did go 0/4 with a BB in his first game Yeah? How's that OPS on graduation look relative to his AA numbers? Or his final numbers? How about the game logs...same HR rate/IsoD numbers at each level? I recall him hitting something like .315 with 2 HR on graduation the first time. What was his AAA OPS after the first promotion? Struggling is relative to baseline. You're lost in the trees. He had stretches at Greenville, Salem, AFL, and AAA where he performed "poorly" relative to his end results at the level. Some adjustments were shorter or less pronounced than others, but the point is that he made adjustments fairly rapidly at each level and more or less reached similar baselines within the season.
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Post by radiohix on May 6, 2017 17:17:14 GMT -5
I'm not worried about his lack of walks, every scouting report that I read stresses his good pitch recognition which is all I care about at this stage of his development and being a selective hitter means swinging at your pitch even if it's the first one. In his first AA at bat he fouled a couple of pitches and worked a full count before lauching a HR de CRF. He was being pitched in the zone and he's swinging which is the point right? I'm certain that we'll see him being pitched around and drawing more BBs (He's walking more lately) If he keeps his K numbers in check, he'll be fine. PS: His XBH/K are just elite. ADD:
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Post by thursty on May 6, 2017 17:56:31 GMT -5
Well, we know now for sure you lack the good education and good sense to admit when you're wrong.
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Post by radiohix on May 7, 2017 8:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by bookiemetts on May 7, 2017 10:35:21 GMT -5
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Post by m1keyboots on May 7, 2017 10:42:12 GMT -5
Every time I'm down or feeling low about the redsox offense I come look at this thread.
This is one guy we all agreed on that eta was about 2018, his cup of coffee I think will be exciting if not a little bit of a hiccup with his all fields, maybe a couple errors style of ball
Man its cool to have a legit lefty infield prospect with the kind of stick the Soxprospects staff was right about from day one.
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Post by thursty on May 8, 2017 12:13:39 GMT -5
I saw that the Redbirds called up Magneuris Sierra - a 21-year-old who just this year reached high A. Now he's purely a speed and defense guy, and is only up until DL's are healed, but they did start him immediately. I don't think Devers' defense is that much better than what they have, although what they have now is pretty awful
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 8, 2017 12:32:53 GMT -5
Sierra was already on the 40-man roster because of the Rule 5 Draft, which is of some import. He's already burning an option this year, so that didn't factor in, and my guess is they're not planning on his being up for long enough for it to matter much in terms of service time. It's still baffling, but there's SOME logic to it that wouldn't apply to a short call-up for Devers.
If Devers were already on the 40-man roster, then I definitely could have seen them calling him up to fill in for a couple weeks until Holt was ready.
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Post by thursty on May 8, 2017 12:49:59 GMT -5
"He's already burning an option this year"
How so? i.e. if he never would have been called up this year
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 8, 2017 12:55:27 GMT -5
"He's already burning an option this year" How so? i.e. if he never would have been called up this year As I said, he had already been added to the 40-man roster this offseason. Players on the 40-man roster are optioned to the minors, whether it's the start of the year or whenever. So, for example, Luis Ysla is burning an option this year whether or not he comes up, as he's been optioned to the minors for 20 days already.
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Post by ajs1994 on May 8, 2017 12:55:55 GMT -5
"He's already burning an option this year" How so? i.e. if he never would have been called up this year Once a player is placed on the 40 man roster, they start using their 3 option years, regardless of whether they're called up to the active (25 man) roster.
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Post by borisman on May 8, 2017 13:07:40 GMT -5
"He's already burning an option this year" How so? i.e. if he never would have been called up this year Not to be confused with MLB service time. If he wasn't put on the 40-man then he would have been the #1 pick in the rule 5 (though I thought he wasn't eligible). Probably had to do with the SP invite. He'll be called up prior to the 3 year window unless he suffers a MAJOR injury.
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Post by thursty on May 8, 2017 13:14:26 GMT -5
Got it. Thanks
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