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Brentz
Sept 13, 2012 22:15:20 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 13, 2012 22:15:20 GMT -5
No. Because Salty is not a run producer. He is not an RBI guy. There is a difference between having power and being a run producing RBI hitter. Wait, so what makes you think that Brentz has this ability? It's not like he's had crazy RBI numbers in the minors.
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Brentz
Sept 13, 2012 22:48:54 GMT -5
Post by dmaineah on Sept 13, 2012 22:48:54 GMT -5
No. Because Salty is not a run producer. He is not an RBI guy. There is a difference between having power and being a run producing RBI hitter. Wait, so what makes you think that Brentz has this ability? It's not like he's had crazy RBI numbers in the minors. It's what I see when I've watched him play this year. He looks the part. I'm not saying I'm any kind of a scout but I've been watching players come through here for a long time. And he's the real deal. He is going to be a run producer. It's just that simple.
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Brentz
Sept 13, 2012 23:26:58 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 13, 2012 23:26:58 GMT -5
Ok, well, no offense but I'm not about to change my opinion on Brentz just because some guy who's not a scout likes the cut of his jib or whatever.
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Brentz
Sept 14, 2012 8:18:44 GMT -5
Post by jioh on Sept 14, 2012 8:18:44 GMT -5
... It's what I see when I've watched him play this year. He looks the part. I'm not saying I'm any kind of a scout but I've been watching players come through here for a long time. And he's the real deal. He is going to be a run producer. It's just that simple. "He looks the part" ?? This is the kind of argument you want to make on soxprospects? When Salty was in high-A at age 19 he hit .314/.394/.519=912 When Brentz played the 2nd half in high-A at age 22 he hit .274/.336/.531 =868 Brentz has a chance to be good, but is about as far from a sure thing as any of our top prospects.
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Brentz
Sept 14, 2012 12:13:42 GMT -5
Post by jdb on Sept 14, 2012 12:13:42 GMT -5
Fangraphs breaking down the AFL rosters had this on Brentz. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/arizona-fall-league-breakdown-surprise-saguaros/Bryce Brentz, OF, Boston: Brentz is one of those fringe prospects for me. I have yet to buy into him as a future full-time player at the big league level and he doesn’t really offer enough defense (although he has a strong arm) to be an ideal fourth outfielder. His best hope is likely a platoon job. Brentz hit almost .300 in double-A in 2012 but was aided by a .370 BABIP. If he continues to strikeout at rates between 24- 26% he’s more likely to hit around .240-.260 with 55-60 power (20-80 scale).
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Brentz
Sept 14, 2012 13:45:02 GMT -5
Post by Chris Mellen on Sept 14, 2012 13:45:02 GMT -5
I'll buy that. Bryce Brentz is likely a .260-.265 guy, with about 18-22 home runs in his peak. He may be able to pop a .280 20-25 home run peak season, but I don't see that sustained for a stretch of multiple seasons.
I see Brentz as a streaky hitter at the major league level that is going to be able to pitched to, but pitchers will have to be careful with as well. He'll have to continue to make adjustments to hold down a starting job, but can be an average-to-slightly above-average player in his peak.
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Brentz
Sept 15, 2012 10:08:51 GMT -5
Post by Guidas on Sept 15, 2012 10:08:51 GMT -5
Quick Trade him now while the hype is peaking!
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Brentz
Sept 15, 2012 10:21:14 GMT -5
Post by sarasoxer on Sept 15, 2012 10:21:14 GMT -5
I know what dmaineah is saying about Brentz... I don't think it is that he looks like Li'l Abner with a bat and I'm not sure whether his jib is cut or uncut....
demaineah has watched a lot of games over many years and comparing the performance of Brentz with many others he has seen, Brentz has performed on the field better than most. Few of us are scouts so we can't give a Chris Mellen opinion.
Brentz' strikeouts and lack of walks are certainly a concern. If management is going to look to high on-base guys again, Brentz might be trade fodder in the off-season.
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Brentz
Sept 15, 2012 18:36:17 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 15, 2012 18:36:17 GMT -5
demaineah has watched a lot of games over many years and comparing the performance of Brentz with many others he has seen, Brentz has performed on the field better than most. Few of us are scouts so we can't give a Chris Mellen opinion.My point exactly.
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Brentz
Sept 19, 2012 22:07:20 GMT -5
Post by sarasoxer on Sept 19, 2012 22:07:20 GMT -5
demaineah has watched a lot of games over many years and comparing the performance of Brentz with many others he has seen, Brentz has performed on the field better than most. Few of us are scouts so we can't give a Chris Mellen opinion.My point exactly. IMO in making your above assertions you are unfairly devaluing demainah's input re Brentz which I believe had value based on his observations over time. I don't know whether you have ever seen Brentz play. Not to be argumentative, but if you have not, does not that give demainah a stronger basis for his opinion? I know that there were several other ranked prospects that you were not high on so I was looking forward to your ranking of Sox prospects in the Meta forum.
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Brentz
Sept 19, 2012 23:02:50 GMT -5
Post by pauleywalnuts on Sept 19, 2012 23:02:50 GMT -5
Much has been said about Brentz's offensive potential. For those who have seen him play at any of his minor league stops, what's the take on his ability in the field? I saw a little of the AAA championship game last nite and he badly misplayed a fly ball to right. Maybe just an outlier, but he looked bad on that play.
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Brentz
Sept 20, 2012 9:25:10 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 20, 2012 9:25:10 GMT -5
IMO in making your above assertions you are unfairly devaluing demainah's input re Brentz which I believe had value based on his observations over time. I don't know whether you have ever seen Brentz play. Not to be argumentative, but if you have not, does not that give demainah a stronger basis for his opinion? There's more to having a valid opinion than just saying "I've seen the guy, so therefor I declare these things to be true". Chris Mellon's reports aren't good because he's seen players. They're good because he's seen players, he has a keen eye for what he's seeing, he's able to describe what he's seen in great detail, and he's able to explain what those things mean for the player going forward. He's able to take his observations and apply them to the larger framework of how we know baseball works. That's why I trust him. First-hand observation doesn't mean anything on it's own. Just from seeing the sun, it's completely obvious to most people that it revolves around the earth. But if you want to assert that the sun does in fact revolve around the earth, you're going to to need more than "well, I looked at it, and that's what it seems like".
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Brentz
Sept 20, 2012 12:26:49 GMT -5
Post by dmaineah on Sept 20, 2012 12:26:49 GMT -5
Much has been said about Brentz's offensive potential. For those who have seen him play at any of his minor league stops, what's the take on his ability in the field? I saw a little of the AAA championship game last nite and he badly misplayed a fly ball to right. Maybe just an outlier, but he looked bad on that play. I think he's about an average defender in RF with a real good, strong & accurate throwing arm. I personally would like to see him in Left when he gets to Boston but believe he can handle RF in Boston & would get better in Fenway over time. He certainly got better in RF over the course of the season here in Portland.
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Brentz
Sept 21, 2012 6:50:00 GMT -5
Post by patrmac04 on Sept 21, 2012 6:50:00 GMT -5
I think he should play in AAA next year with a possible call up after the trade deadline, certainly by September. I also think he will be the RF in 2014 and will be there for the next 10+ years batting 5th or 6th. He is the real deal & the best OF prospect in the system by far. Are you his uncle or something? This reminds me of the yelp reviews my cousin writes for her own restaurant. The one thing that he has that you can't teach a prospect is power... that's it. He doesn't even have huge power, just good power. To me he represents the best prospect we have that I wouldn't mind trading.
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 16:26:40 GMT -5
Post by nomar on Oct 15, 2012 16:26:40 GMT -5
6 - 17, 1 HR, 1 3B, 1 BB for Brentz so far in the Arizona Fall league.
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 19:05:02 GMT -5
Post by iakovos11 on Oct 15, 2012 19:05:02 GMT -5
how many K's - that's the important # (along with the BB's)
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 19:54:28 GMT -5
Post by sibbysisti on Oct 15, 2012 19:54:28 GMT -5
how many K's - that's the important # (along with the BB's) In 21 ABs..1BB, 4Ks, .364 OBP.
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 20:01:46 GMT -5
Post by iakovos11 on Oct 15, 2012 20:01:46 GMT -5
Thanks, Sibby.
I wasn't meaning to be lazy. Just that you need to be looking at K's and K/BB ratio with Brentz. Right now at 21 AB's, not sure what anything means.
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 20:06:34 GMT -5
Post by dmaineah on Oct 15, 2012 20:06:34 GMT -5
6 - 17, 1 HR, 1 3B, 1 BB for Brentz so far in the Arizona Fall league. Best Complete OF/Hitting Prospect in our system. Looking forward to his arrival in Boston.
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 23:05:18 GMT -5
Post by sdiaz1 on Oct 15, 2012 23:05:18 GMT -5
Not to be a prick, but can you find even one scout or industry professional who feels that Brentz is the most "complete" outfielder or hitter in our system. I'm pretty sure those titles would belong to both Xander and Bradley.
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 23:15:26 GMT -5
Post by welovewally on Oct 15, 2012 23:15:26 GMT -5
Isn't Xander a SS not an OF? Neither Brentz or Bradley have proven anything yet. But it is nice to see that Brentz is off to a good start. Brentz has more power & Bradley is probably a better hitter & I think both are good defenders. Wish we could morph them into one.
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 23:22:24 GMT -5
Post by sdiaz1 on Oct 15, 2012 23:22:24 GMT -5
Maybe I misread but I took "Outfielder/Hitter" as two separate things.
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Brentz
Oct 15, 2012 23:31:51 GMT -5
Post by welovewally on Oct 15, 2012 23:31:51 GMT -5
Hmm... yea I took it as one. Gotta admit dmaineah shows passion for Brentz just as others show passion for Iglesias or Bradley.
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Brentz
Oct 16, 2012 6:50:08 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 16, 2012 6:50:08 GMT -5
Brentz is objectively not the Red Sox most "complete" outfield prospect. This is really just a fact. He's worse than Bradley in every regard except for power and I guess maybe throwing arm.
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Brentz
Oct 16, 2012 8:06:45 GMT -5
Post by sarasoxer on Oct 16, 2012 8:06:45 GMT -5
Brentz is objectively not the Red Sox most "complete" outfield prospect. This is really just a fact. He's worse than Bradley in every regard except for power and I guess maybe throwing arm. Well, Brentz has a good arm but Bradley has an outstanding one. I believe what demainah means by complete, is that Brentz has more facets to his game..i.e. power...not that he's the best in every category. Not to stoke the hyperbole fire, but at the plate Brentz reminds me in stature of Jackie Jensen...for those of you who go back that far. He has one solid body and the ball does jump off his bat. Hopefully he becomes more selective, better able to recognize/lay off breaking balls and increases his OBP.
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