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Post by ramireja on Mar 24, 2014 17:34:41 GMT -5
For those of you who can't get enough mock drafts at all times of the year (like myself), this site is a mock draft database...
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Post by ramireja on Mar 24, 2014 17:37:58 GMT -5
I thought this was worth a note: in a recent podcast with Alex Speier, Ralph Treuel, Red Sox pitching coordinator (now entering his 14th year with the team) confirmed what we've always suspected-- this front office loves drafting tall, physical pitchers. His exact quote (around the 6 minute mark): "I talked to [Director of Amateur Scouting Amiel Sawdaye] a few years ago, and I said, if you're going to be looking at them in the eye or looking down, don't sign 'em, just make sure you're looking up and straining your neck." There were the usual caveats about how short pitchers can be effective too (including noting that the best pitcher he's ever seen (Pedro) was a short guy), but Treuel goes on to discuss (at around the 7 minute mark) why they like tall pitchers: because they generally hold up better over a long season and are more likely to be able to hold their velocity deep into games. Good stuff. This makes me wonder if they would have taken Stroman had he dropped to them back in 2012. That was the guy I wanted!
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Post by mainesox on Mar 24, 2014 18:45:47 GMT -5
I've been hoping for the same thing for a while now. Would really love to get him into the system.
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Post by jdb on Mar 24, 2014 20:01:48 GMT -5
Marcus Wilson is a guy creeping up boards. He was honorable mention here.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 24, 2014 20:59:11 GMT -5
I've been hoping for the same thing for a while now. Would really love to get him into the system. I'd too love the upside with his bat, but he doesn't seem like the prototypical Sox pick from the last few years. The only position players we've drafted in the first or supplementary rounds have been up the middle players with defensive reputations/projectability in addition to some offensive skill set (Bradley Jr., Swihart, Marrero). Nothing is impossible, but I just don't Davidson fitting that mold. Also, pitching is very strong this year...now granted if we pick 3 times before the 2nd round, then one of those picks should be a position player but I'd expect a number of pitchers to be high on the Sox board.
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Post by taftreign on Mar 24, 2014 21:16:52 GMT -5
Keeping a close eye on Matt Imhof. Want to see how his year progresses but could be a nice early supplemental pick. Has the size at 6-5 220 the team prefers. A lefty sitting low 90s for Cal Poly.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 24, 2014 21:50:26 GMT -5
I'd too love the upside with his bat, but he doesn't seem like the prototypical Sox pick from the last few years. The only position players we've drafted in the first or supplementary rounds have been up the middle players with defensive reputations/projectability in addition to some offensive skill set (Bradley Jr., Swihart, Marrero). Nothing is impossible, but I just don't Davidson fitting that mold. Also, pitching is very strong this year...now granted if we pick 3 times before the 2nd round, then one of those picks should be a position player but I'd expect a number of pitchers to be high on the Sox board. I get what you are saying but they also had the same tendency in IFAs until they signed Devers last year so who knows what they will do. Anyways I'm really hoping for a big time position player, and no a light hitting SS doesn't count
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Post by ramireja on Mar 25, 2014 12:33:07 GMT -5
I'd too love the upside with his bat, but he doesn't seem like the prototypical Sox pick from the last few years. The only position players we've drafted in the first or supplementary rounds have been up the middle players with defensive reputations/projectability in addition to some offensive skill set (Bradley Jr., Swihart, Marrero). Nothing is impossible, but I just don't Davidson fitting that mold. Also, pitching is very strong this year...now granted if we pick 3 times before the 2nd round, then one of those picks should be a position player but I'd expect a number of pitchers to be high on the Sox board. I get what you are saying but they also had the same tendency in IFAs until they signed Devers last year so who knows what they will do. Anyways I'm really hoping for a big time position player, and no a light hitting SS doesn't count Thats a good point regarding Devers. If nothing else, it shows that the Sox will at least consider exceptions to the rule (the bat is clearly special). I'd personally hate to miss out on a monster bat simply because a player was relegated to a corner position and/or profiled as an average defender at best.
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Post by mainesox on Mar 25, 2014 18:20:37 GMT -5
I get what you are saying but they also had the same tendency in IFAs until they signed Devers last year so who knows what they will do. Anyways I'm really hoping for a big time position player, and no a light hitting SS doesn't count Thats a good point regarding Devers. If nothing else, it shows that the Sox will at least consider exceptions to the rule (the bat is clearly special). I'd personally hate to miss out on a monster bat simply because a player was relegated to a corner position and/or profiled as an average defender at best. Are we sure it's some sort of rule rather than just circumstances causing that to be the case? I mean, we're talking about a handful of picks over a relatively short period of time; more likely, the best player available when they pick in the first round happens to either be a pitcher or an up the middle player (as up the middle players tend to be more highly regarded in general on draft day - most good HS and college OFs tend to play center, and most good HS and college IF tend to play SS).
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Post by ramireja on Mar 25, 2014 20:00:05 GMT -5
Thats a good point regarding Devers. If nothing else, it shows that the Sox will at least consider exceptions to the rule (the bat is clearly special). I'd personally hate to miss out on a monster bat simply because a player was relegated to a corner position and/or profiled as an average defender at best. Are we sure it's some sort of rule rather than just circumstances causing that to be the case? I mean, we're talking about a handful of picks over a relatively short period of time; more likely, the best player available when they pick in the first round happens to either be a pitcher or an up the middle player (as up the middle players tend to be more highly regarded in general on draft day - most good HS and college OFs tend to play center, and most good HS and college IF tend to play SS). Yeah, 'rule' is probably too strong of a word. I guess I'm just trying to say that I think the sox tend to factor defensive position and ability more into a player's overall value than some other clubs. Thats not a bad thing by any means, I think they're smart to do so.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 25, 2014 22:14:09 GMT -5
Bradley Zimmer hit his 6th HR today. With the dearth of college position players with athleticism he'll probably go top 15 if not higher, only power production had been lacking.
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Post by jdb on Mar 27, 2014 9:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Mar 27, 2014 9:25:35 GMT -5
Cease was #10 on Keith Law's most recent draft board. Apparently he had hit 100 mph with the fastball and had apparently cleaned up some of the violence in his delivery. Perhaps he was too late though. In the case that we get compensation for Drew....this is exactly the kind of high upside pick I would like the sox to consider should he drop due to injury. Its easier to take that kind of risk when we have 3 first round picks though.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 27, 2014 15:51:05 GMT -5
Looks like Dylan Cease could be heading to TJ surgery. He might not need it but it will be interesting to see if it pushes him down far enough to go to Vandy. He could decide to get paid to rehab like the Nats prospect who's name escapes. I think you mean Lucas Giolito who was a 1-1 candidate that spring. He had TJ after he signed and came back this year reports sound very good on him and the gamble seems like it could pay off for the Nationals, though with pitchers you never know. I would equate it more to Sheffield the kid the Red Sox drafted last year in the later round and made a run at. He was ranked in the HS top 10 for BA early last year before he came down before this same tournament that Cease was slated to pitch in. I think it comes down to how much history they have on him and the relationship between him and the Red Sox scouts. Vandy guys are always tough to sign so they'd have to know how much he(his family/advisers) want.
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Post by redsox1534 on Mar 29, 2014 16:35:09 GMT -5
Id love to trade up in the draft an get Kolek, Aiken, or Jackson wonder what it would take to get that high.
The guys I like right now in our range/could drop to us
Luis Ortiz Aaron Nola Bradly Zimmer Grant Holmes Michael Gettys Sean Reid Foley Scott Blewett Braxton Davidson Michael Chavis Michael Conforto Kyle Schawrber Kyle Freeland Justice Sheffield ( not a top 30 guy but one of my favorites in the draft)
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Post by jdb on Mar 29, 2014 16:58:03 GMT -5
Here you Pedro. It also has some info on Gettys. Seems he's slated for the end of round one bc his hit tool. The scout in the article said he has a Trouts tools minus hit. I'd take a flier and change the swing. insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb-draft/post?id=1418
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 29, 2014 17:37:20 GMT -5
Interesting I was just listening to a BA google hangout with Clint Longeneker (hope I have it right) and Jonh Manuel and they both thought he mad a strong impression at the tournament. Clint mention that in the summer and fall Davidson's question marks were swing and miss issues but that now scouts feel like the hit tool is improving to the point some scouts think he is a hit over power now. It sounded like the scouts they talked with this week were enthusiastic.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 30, 2014 13:18:59 GMT -5
Trouts tools minus the hit tool?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 30, 2014 15:09:54 GMT -5
Trouts tools minus the hit tool? I guess the scout means the secundary tools, but yeah it makes no sense. Trout without the hit tool is not Trout, it's the profile of many prospect who didn't reach their potential. #ForcedComps are the worst.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 30, 2014 16:21:46 GMT -5
Trouts tools minus the hit tool? Well apparently he has plus speed, plus power, and a plus arm....but yeah, it might not matter much if he can't hit.
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Post by bjb406 on Mar 30, 2014 23:47:41 GMT -5
Id love to trade up in the draft an get Kolek, Aiken, or Jackson wonder what it would take to get that high. You do realize that is against the rules right?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 31, 2014 10:49:57 GMT -5
Other notes from the BA Google Hangout that I found interesting was tha apparently every SD was in attendance at the NHSI. So who could have Amiel Sawdaye been "putting the heat on"? Well lots of guys but here are two that standout:
Foster Griffin, LHP, Florida HS - he apparently doesn't have "knock your socks off" stuff but he is very athletic and projectable. Sounds familiar.
Mac Marshall, LHP, Georgia HS - His stuff is a tick better than Griffin and apparently he showed excellent command of his off speed stuff.
Other guys in attendance of note: Jacob Gatewood (He is apparently dropping), Braxton Davidson, Cole Tucker, Touki Tousaint.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 31, 2014 11:52:24 GMT -5
So here is a PodCast with Kiley McDaniel and Frankie Piliere of PG. This segment they talk about Rodon ( I always say Rondon, where the heck did they leave the N?), Hoffman and Trea Turner. The most interesting thing I found was that scouts may be souring on Trea Turner and feel like he is more of back end of the 1st round. Shades of Deven Marrero? sbb.scout.com/2/1389571.html
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 1, 2014 16:59:29 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2014 15:51:44 GMT -5
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