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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Mar 31, 2014 14:20:52 GMT -5
If Drew really does have a 3 year / $39 mil deal on the table then he was obviously right to turn down the QO.
It could well be that he does have that much but just doesn't want to sign for less than a $50 mil deal. Something like that. It would seem at this point that he might be better off with the 3 year deal but I doubt if he's offered a QO again in 3 years anyway so that to me is kind of a non issue.
It would seem that they are just holding out for top dollar and no one wants to go there. It's the perfect agent for that and maybe the perfect client as well. JD Drew did let Boras talk him into not signing as a #1 pick by the Phillies. It may just be that this is more of a business decision to the Drew family.
I have zero problems with that. And let me emphasize this point as I have stated it before and virtually everyone seemed to disagree with it but it may just be what happens:
DREW MIGHT FEEL THAT THE QO IS COSTING HIM $10 MIL OFF HIS CONTRACT AND IF HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF A $14 MIL A YEAR PLAYER, IF HE HOLDS OUT UNTIL AFTER THE DRAFT MAYBE HE GETS THAT EXTRA $10 MIL THEN. IT WOULD COST HIM 1/2 YEAR OF PT, OR $6.5 MIL IN SALARY ( IF HE HAS A 3 YEAR / 39 MIL DEAL ) TO WAIT 1/2 YEAR TO SIGN. NET GAIN = $3.5 MIL. DREW MIGHT THINK THAT IS WORTH IT.
Who knows. Maybe that is how he is looking at this.
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 31, 2014 14:45:06 GMT -5
Besides, half a year less playing time is half a year less injury risk.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2014 14:50:10 GMT -5
If Drew really does have a 3 year / $39 mil deal on the table then he was obviously right to turn down the QO. It could well be that he does have that much but just doesn't want to sign for less than a $50 mil deal. Something like that. It would seem at this point that he might be better off with the 3 year deal but I doubt if he's offered a QO again in 3 years anyway so that to me is kind of a non issue. It would seem that they are just holding out for top dollar and no one wants to go there. It's the perfect agent for that and maybe the perfect client as well. JD Drew did let Boras talk him into not signing as a #1 pick by the Phillies. It may just be that this is more of a business decision to the Drew family. I have zero problems with that. And let me emphasize this point as I have stated it before and virtually everyone seemed to disagree with it but it may just be what happens: DREW MIGHT FEEL THAT THE QO IS COSTING HIM $10 MIL OFF HIS CONTRACT AND IF HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF A $14 MIL A YEAR PLAYER, IF HE HOLDS OUT UNTIL AFTER THE DRAFT MAYBE HE GETS THAT EXTRA $10 MIL THEN. IT WOULD COST HIM 1/2 YEAR OF PT, OR $6.5 MIL IN SALARY ( IF HE HAS A 3 YEAR / 39 MIL DEAL ) TO WAIT 1/2 YEAR TO SIGN. NET GAIN = $3.5 MIL. DREW MIGHT THINK THAT IS WORTH IT. Who knows. Maybe that is how he is looking at this. You really think he's worried about a QO in 3 years? There's no way in hell he has a 3/$39 million offer. 0% chance
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 31, 2014 15:36:21 GMT -5
Blue jays may be calling Drrew
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Mar 31, 2014 20:49:35 GMT -5
If Drew really does have a 3 year / $39 mil deal on the table then he was obviously right to turn down the QO. It could well be that he does have that much but just doesn't want to sign for less than a $50 mil deal. Something like that. It would seem at this point that he might be better off with the 3 year deal but I doubt if he's offered a QO again in 3 years anyway so that to me is kind of a non issue. It would seem that they are just holding out for top dollar and no one wants to go there. It's the perfect agent for that and maybe the perfect client as well. JD Drew did let Boras talk him into not signing as a #1 pick by the Phillies. It may just be that this is more of a business decision to the Drew family. I have zero problems with that. And let me emphasize this point as I have stated it before and virtually everyone seemed to disagree with it but it may just be what happens: DREW MIGHT FEEL THAT THE QO IS COSTING HIM $10 MIL OFF HIS CONTRACT AND IF HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF A $14 MIL A YEAR PLAYER, IF HE HOLDS OUT UNTIL AFTER THE DRAFT MAYBE HE GETS THAT EXTRA $10 MIL THEN. IT WOULD COST HIM 1/2 YEAR OF PT, OR $6.5 MIL IN SALARY ( IF HE HAS A 3 YEAR / 39 MIL DEAL ) TO WAIT 1/2 YEAR TO SIGN. NET GAIN = $3.5 MIL. DREW MIGHT THINK THAT IS WORTH IT. Who knows. Maybe that is how he is looking at this. You really think he's worried about a QO in 3 years? There's no way in hell he has a 3/$39 million offer. 0% chance My Response: NO, that's why I said: "that to me is kind of a non issue" Prediction: Drew will at some point sign a deal better than 3 years and $39 mil.
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Post by jdb on Apr 1, 2014 9:59:22 GMT -5
Sounds like the Jays will know more about Reyes today. Apparently Gonzelez didn't show any range yesterday either for Detroit. I think a one year deal for one of those teams makes sense.
If Drew was sitting on 3 and 39 I think he would have jumped on it. I think he plays on a one year deal and tries for a Peralta contract next offseason.
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Post by bjb406 on Apr 1, 2014 15:18:41 GMT -5
Anyone else think the Cardinals look completely foolish for signing Peralta for what they did? His bat isn't really better than drew's overall, and his defense is much worse. Worst signing of the off-season imo
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 1, 2014 15:23:24 GMT -5
Oh man, Drew has some competition on the market now that the Yankees have DFA'ed the former Jeter's successor at SS, Eduardo Nunez.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 1, 2014 15:26:06 GMT -5
Anyone else think the Cardinals look completely foolish for signing Peralta for what they did? His bat isn't really better than drew's overall, and his defense is much worse. Worst signing of the off-season imo But the Cardinals probably turn the #1 pick they didn't give up into another Taveres or Wacha. Guarantee that was their prime motivation for going with Peralta over Drew.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 1, 2014 15:29:47 GMT -5
Anyone else think the Cardinals look completely foolish for signing Peralta for what they did? His bat isn't really better than drew's overall, and his defense is much worse. Worst signing of the off-season imo Disagree. Peralta is more of an impact bat without the massive platoon split, his defense has graded out as roughly average throughout his career (and has been clearly above average by UZR the last few seasons), and he didn't have a QO attached to him. For a team that had money to spend and a black hole at shortstop, getting a guy of Peralta's caliber without sacrificing a draft pick is a decent get. But, yes, he did perhaps get one more year / a bit of a higher AAV than I had anticipated.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 1, 2014 15:33:08 GMT -5
Also they were terrible against lefties -we saw in the World Series- and I somehow don't think Drew would have help that. Perhaps they overpaid in terms of money and year but it made sense they would go after him instead of Drew. His market was totally different because of the compensation.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 1, 2014 16:40:34 GMT -5
Something happened with this guy. Nothing makes sense Boras over estimated the market. I truly believe he had deals on the table. These other guys with Draft pick attachments got signed. I mean Toronto has two picks both protected. Mets have protected pick. Drew is worth a team losing there 2nd rounder. I cant assign blame until I know the facts. Right now Boras looks like a village Idiot.
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Post by rangoon82 on Apr 1, 2014 19:12:23 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 14s GM today said Scott Boras insists he has three years and $39M on the table for Stephen Drew
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Post by bighead on Apr 1, 2014 21:36:21 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 14s GM today said Scott Boras insists he has three years and $39M on the table for Stephen Drew If there was a three year deal on the table then why wouldn't he have taken it in spring training? Waiting until after openning day only helps if you are planning on signing the one year deal and not getting the QO next offseason. If this was intended as misinformation then it wasn't thought out, if it's true then it would seem that Boras is not rationale. If there was a one year deal out there then it would be signed by now right? Waiting for more injuries or to see if Gonzales and/or Tejada look that bad? This is like Kramer and the car salesman driving the test drive with the gas needle on E. How much further can they take this?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 1, 2014 22:54:07 GMT -5
Which is why it is PROBABLY true that Drew wants a deal over $39 mil. He is in his one major chance for a big deal. He missed out earlier due to the injury. He probably wants that guaranteed, long term, big money deal and this is his chance. He got a $9.5 mil ( EDITED ) one year deal last winter even coming off a huge injury. He has already gone that route once. The market has clearly gone up and Drew is clearly now heathy. Peralta was a PED user and he got a 4 year deal at $53 mil.
And yet most of you guys think a 3 year deal at $39 mil is not true and if he had a 1 year deal you think he would sign it. I respectfully think you guys are way off. The guy is simply pulling a Boras and holding out for more money and you know what, sometimes Boras guys end up sitting it out for a year even to get the deal he projects. It happened to J.D. Drew. Why is it so surprising that it could be happening now?
Again, I bet he ends up with a deal above 3 years and $39 mil. It is the most likely scenario ending this.
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Post by elguapo on Apr 2, 2014 8:25:13 GMT -5
Anyone else think the Cardinals look completely foolish for signing Peralta for what they did? His bat isn't really better than drew's overall, and his defense is much worse. Worst signing of the off-season imo Disagree. Peralta is more of an impact bat without the massive platoon split, his defense has graded out as roughly average throughout his career (and has been clearly above average by UZR the last few seasons), and he didn't have a QO attached to him. Put another way, Peralta will be 32 in May, is signed for 4 years, put up an 86 wRC+ just one year ago, and is coming off a PED suspension after [unknown amount & duration of usage]. What could go wrong?
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Post by jmei on Apr 2, 2014 8:28:45 GMT -5
Again, I bet he ends up with a deal above 3 years and $39 mil. It is the most likely scenario ending this. Let's make it interesting, then. I bet you that Drew will not sign a deal guaranteeing him $39m or more this season. Winner gets to set the loser's avatar for the offseason. Deal?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 8:25:38 GMT -5
Haha. As in incorporate the kids into the lineup and get a good young outfielder at some point. Drew was good defensively but that wasnt really a long term solution. We need money to lock up guys like Lester and Xander, people we want to keep long term. It should be pretty obvious at this point that Drew isn't going to cost any amount of money that will prevent the Red Sox from signing Lester or Xander or really anyone else at this point. The Red Sox probably have more financial flexibility at this point than anyone in baseball. The purpose of not signing Drew was to keep Bogaerts at SS and to allow WMB to develop into the player they think he's going to instead of selling low on him or letting him rot on the bench. It really has nothing to do with Drew.
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Post by jmei on Apr 9, 2014 8:51:35 GMT -5
(Moved this from one of the game threads) It should be pretty obvious at this point that Drew isn't going to cost any amount of money that will prevent the Red Sox from signing Lester or Xander or really anyone else at this point. The Red Sox probably have more financial flexibility at this point than anyone in baseball. The purpose of not signing Drew was to keep Bogaerts at SS and to allow WMB to develop into the player they think he's going to instead of selling low on him or letting him rot on the bench. It really has nothing to do with Drew. Well, Bogaerts' defense at shortstop has been an issue and Middlebrooks is going to be out for at least another couple weeks. Moreover, it looks increasingly likely that Drew won't sign before the draft, meaning that the Red Sox likely won't get a draft pick for him as things stand. At what point does the equation shift enough that you're willing to sign Drew? I would offer Drew a one-year, (prorated) $13m deal right now. The Red Sox have the cash and a palpable need. You have to try and field the best team you possibly can in a season where you expect to be in contention for a division crown, and the difference between Drew and Herrerra is a pretty big one. I don't think it hinders the development of Bogaerts or Middlebrooks much, especially since Drew is likely to walk at year's end. Bogaerts will still play just about everyday, and giving him reps at 3B is a good thing if you think (as I increasingly do) that he'll have to move there sooner rather than later. Middlebrooks won't have to rush back from a fairly serious soft tissue injury, and he'll still get plenty of playing time when he returns (everyday versus LHP, whenever Bogaerts or Drew needs a day off, maybe reps at 2B or 1B). At the very least, I'd contact Boras and suggest that the Red Sox might have some interest. What if Middlebrooks has a setback or re-aggravates his calf and is out until the All-Star Break? Then you'd definitely offer Drew a one-year deal, right?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 9:14:20 GMT -5
(Moved this from one of the game threads) The purpose of not signing Drew was to keep Bogaerts at SS and to allow WMB to develop into the player they think he's going to instead of selling low on him or letting him rot on the bench. It really has nothing to do with Drew. Well, Bogaerts' defense at shortstop has been an issue and Middlebrooks is going to be out for at least another couple weeks. Moreover, it looks increasingly likely that Drew won't sign before the draft, meaning that the Red Sox likely won't get a draft pick for him as things stand. At what point does the equation shift enough that you're willing to sign Drew? I would offer Drew a one-year, (prorated) $13m deal right now. The Red Sox have the cash and a palpable need. You have to try and field the best team you possibly can in a season where you expect to be in contention for a division crown, and the difference between Drew and Herrerra is a pretty big one. I don't think it hinders the development of Bogaerts or Middlebrooks much, especially since Drew is likely to walk at year's end. Bogaerts will still play just about everyday, and giving him reps at 3B is a good thing if you think (as I increasingly do) that he'll have to move there sooner rather than later. Middlebrooks won't have to rush back from a fairly serious soft tissue injury, and he'll still get plenty of playing time when he returns (everyday versus LHP, whenever Bogaerts or Drew needs a day off, maybe reps at 2B or 1B). At the very least, I'd contact Boras and suggest that the Red Sox might have some interest. What if Middlebrooks has a setback or re-aggravates his calf and is out until the All-Star Break? Then you'd definitely offer Drew a one-year deal, right? I'm pretty sick of talking about Drew like everyone else, but I'd probably agree with you. But there has to be something absolutely bizarre about this entire situation that we don't know about because it looks like he's absolutely not available for a 1 year deal until after the draft. He's either being black-balled or Boras is black-balling the entire league. I just worry that if he were on the team, Farrell would be stupid about using him too much. I still have high hopes for WMB because of that special power. I do share your concern of Xander's range. I think he winds up at 3B in the long run, maybe being pushed over by Marrero or Betts in a year or two. I'd prefer Marrero because I just can't stress enough how important defense actually is. Good defense is worth more to me than equally good offense because that defense saves the pitching staff a whole lot of stress. A great defensive play might end up saving 5 runs if it would have been the 3rd out or maybe 30 pitches. Look at that stupid chop double last night by Fielder. If it were a play that could be made by a great fielding play, it would have prevented 4 runs from scoring and Doubront would have stayed in the game. He may have turned it around the next inning and the entire game could have been different. Ditto on that pop fly to center that Sizemore should have caught. That would have prevented 2 runs and Doubront would have stayed in the game. Sorry, got off track and am preaching to the choir.
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Post by jdb on Apr 9, 2014 9:22:52 GMT -5
Sure as of right now Drew would help our team but Drews going to do what's best for him not the Sox. Drew isn't signing a one year deal here unless he's playing every day. Right now I tend to agree he probably waits until after the draft unless a team like the Tigers or Mets want a one year deal. If I was the Mets I would have signed him right after opening day. They would give up a third and could probably get better value than that ion July 31st if they're out of it.
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Post by jmei on Apr 9, 2014 9:34:13 GMT -5
See, I do think Drew would take a one-year deal, especially if it was offered by a team he knows and loves. I don't think he has been offered a one-year deal at a high salary, because most teams don't want to pay $13m and give up a draft pick for a one-year player (especially a team like the Mets who are unlikely to make the playoffs). I know Boras talks a big game, but that's strictly to maintain as much leverage as possible and he has a history of using bluffs and mystery teams to try and puff up the market. At some point, both he and Drew have to face the realities of the market, and getting paid $12m+ to play for a title contender he's comfortable with and where he's likely to get 75%+ of the playing time and lots of media coverage is better than waiting until July and hope that a team in the title hunt is willing to pay half that (because of proration) or offer the kind of multi-year deal no team has offered so far.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 9, 2014 9:38:23 GMT -5
Its almost two months to the MLB entry draft. A lot can happen between now and then. A contending team can lose a SS for a lengthy period forcing a reevaluation of the Drew option.
I'm willing to go with a Roberts/Herrera split for a few more weeks or until WMB recovers.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2014 9:41:43 GMT -5
Its almost two months to the MLB entry draft. A lot can happen between now and then. A contending team can lose a SS for a lengthy period forcing a reevaluation of the Drew option. I'm willing to go with a Roberts/Herrera split for a few more weeks or until WMB recovers. The Tigers already did lose their SS for the season. And responded by trading for a 38 year old who has no business playing in the majors, let alone starting for a contending team. I don't get that a team like the Tigers have zero interest in Drew. Boras must be really pissing teams like the Tigers, the Yankees and the Mets off.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 9, 2014 10:05:01 GMT -5
Its almost two months to the MLB entry draft. A lot can happen between now and then. A contending team can lose a SS for a lengthy period forcing a reevaluation of the Drew option. I'm willing to go with a Roberts/Herrera split for a few more weeks or until WMB recovers. The Tigers already did lose their SS for the season. And responded by trading for a 38 year old who has no business playing in the majors, let alone starting for a contending team. I don't get that a team like the Tigers have zero interest in Drew. Boras must be really pissing teams like the Tigers, the Yankees and the Mets off. Boras pisses off a lot more teams than the Tigers, Mats and Yankees. But they have to deal with him because he controls the fate of players in demand. Detroit, signing Gonzalez, takes one more option off the table for potential replacements. And, as you point out, Alex has no business playing in the ML, a fact the Tigers may realize sooner than later. They could be back in the market. Let's see how it plays out.
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