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Post by grandsalami on Nov 1, 2012 10:53:56 GMT -5
Sounds like the Red Sox are definitely in on Haren.. and here is thie gem from the LA Times. @mikedigiovanna: Would not be surprised if #Angels try to send Haren & Wells to #RedSox, maybe for Lackey. thats just him throwing something agianst a wall.... dont worry, unless we hear "source: sox interested in wells"
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 1, 2012 11:24:46 GMT -5
Vernon Wells is still due $42 million over the next two years! He's not even worth 1/10th of that at this point. The Angels would have to devour the bulk of that salary before the Sox would even sniff at this. Besides, if Lackey is back at 95-96 on his hard stuff, the Sox aren't ignorant of the fact. He has been re-habbing under their watch after all. That sort of fastball would give him the potential to be as good as Haren. After all, Lackey was one of the better pitchers in the league a few years ago. It's not as if he's forgotten how to pitch. Why trade one for the other? Better to have both without the baggage of Wells' contract.
No surprise that the Angels would want Lackey back now that he may be all fixed up. They own speed guns also and it probably didn't escaped their notice that he was burning it up in Florida. The Sox are holding the cards here. I don't think this is going to happen.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 1, 2012 12:09:44 GMT -5
I have no objection to accepting Vernon Wells in trade -- if the Angels pay his salary.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 1, 2012 12:33:14 GMT -5
Be nice to work Kendrys into that trade somehow.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 1, 2012 12:39:39 GMT -5
I have no objection to accepting Vernon Wells in trade -- if the Angels pay his salary. I do. Vernon Wells isn't a bad player for the money, he's a bad player period. He's a sub-.300 OBP left fielder who's a year removed from being a sub-.250 OBP (!!!) left fielder. He's on the short list of the absolute worst players in baseball. I guess I would possibly be ok with paying his salary after cutting him immediately if the return was great enough, but that's about it.
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Post by remember04 on Nov 1, 2012 13:27:50 GMT -5
Sounds like the Red Sox are definitely in on Haren.. and here is thie gem from the LA Times. @mikedigiovanna: Would not be surprised if #Angels try to send Haren & Wells to #RedSox, maybe for Lackey. Has he been fired for drinking on the job yet? Haren at that price isn't worth more than a RP right now. You can compare him to Santana but Santana also is owed less money. If Wells is a part of some deal we're basically switching Lackey for Haren and picking Wells why? IF that does happen there better be a good prospect coming over from the Angels to make up for Wells.
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Post by rangoon82 on Nov 1, 2012 15:13:14 GMT -5
Assuming a good year, might Haren net a draft pick on free agency? I don't know how these things work anymore.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 1, 2012 15:32:38 GMT -5
I have much more confidence in Lackey providing something positive on the field for the Sox than Wells. Certainly wouldn't want to pick up wells just to upgrade from Lackey to Haren
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Post by mrnewengland on Nov 1, 2012 15:53:34 GMT -5
I have no objection to accepting Vernon Wells in trade -- if the Angels pay his salary. He's not even worth it if he's playing for free. The only way I'd take him is if Trout was coming with him.
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Post by remember04 on Nov 1, 2012 17:09:56 GMT -5
Assuming a good year, might Haren net a draft pick on free agency? I don't know how these things work anymore. You have to offer him AAV of more than the average of the top 125 players in baseball and he has to decline the offer (may be wrong about small pieces there) which is somewhere around 13-14 million. So basically he'd have to come here and pitch well enough that we'd offer him say 15mil and he'd say "no thanks, I can get more".
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 2, 2012 13:35:55 GMT -5
I rather go after Anibal Sanchez. I like him more than any pitcher in the market not named Greinke.
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Post by welovewally on Nov 8, 2012 3:22:43 GMT -5
I rather go after Anibal Sanchez. I like him more than any pitcher in the market not named Greinke. Agreed. And I think he will come cheaper then Greinke.
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Post by kindasweaty on Nov 8, 2012 11:10:08 GMT -5
I'd rather avoid Sanchez all together.
He's the second best starter on the market. He's in line for a pretty solid bidding war among teams who need a good mid-rotation innings eater and is only 28. It all sounds good.
But he's just. . . not that good. He's a solid mid-rotation starter. Exactly. He's been a ~3 WAR player over the past three years and people are talking $15-16 mil?
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Post by mainesox on Nov 8, 2012 12:41:05 GMT -5
Since the start of 2010:
Pitcher A: 3.70 ERA, 3.40 FIP, 3.63 xFIP, 3.73 tERA, 3.67 SIERA, 2.89 K/BB, 85 FIP-
Pitcher B: 3.85 ERA, 3.69 FIP, 3.54 xFIP, 4.06 tERA, 3.59 SIERA, 2.54 K/BB, 85 FIP-
One of those is Jon Lester and the other is Anibal Sanchez. I'd gladly take Sanchez on a 3-4 year deal at $15-16M per year.
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Post by jdb on Nov 8, 2012 12:47:16 GMT -5
I like Sanchez but he is going to get at least CJ Wilson money while I think someone like Edwin Jackson could be had for 3-4 years at 10-12.
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Post by kindasweaty on Nov 8, 2012 13:09:57 GMT -5
Since the start of 2010: Pitcher A: 3.70 ERA, 3.40 FIP, 3.63 xFIP, 3.73 tERA, 3.67 SIERA, 2.89 K/BB, 85 FIP- Pitcher B: 3.85 ERA, 3.69 FIP, 3.54 xFIP, 4.06 tERA, 3.59 SIERA, 2.54 K/BB, 85 FIP- One of those is Jon Lester and the other is Anibal Sanchez. I'd gladly take Sanchez on a 3-4 year deal at $15-16M per year. So you'd give Jon Lester that same deal after this past year? Am I just underestimating the cost of starting pitching to such a great degree?
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Post by mainesox on Nov 8, 2012 13:24:47 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone anywhere suggest that Sanchez is going to get anything like a CJ Wilson contract.
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Post by mainesox on Nov 8, 2012 13:30:51 GMT -5
Since the start of 2010: Pitcher A: 3.70 ERA, 3.40 FIP, 3.63 xFIP, 3.73 tERA, 3.67 SIERA, 2.89 K/BB, 85 FIP- Pitcher B: 3.85 ERA, 3.69 FIP, 3.54 xFIP, 4.06 tERA, 3.59 SIERA, 2.54 K/BB, 85 FIP- One of those is Jon Lester and the other is Anibal Sanchez. I'd gladly take Sanchez on a 3-4 year deal at $15-16M per year. So you'd give Jon Lester that same deal after this past year? Am I just underestimating the cost of starting pitching to such a great degree? Well, yes, I would give Lester a 4/16 deal, and yeah I think you are underestimating the cost of starting pitching (a conservative estimate of $ per Win Above Replacement is generally thought to be about $5M per win, so even a 3 win pitcher would be "worth" $15M). There's also the fact that those three year averages include Lester getting consistently worse and Sanchez getting consistently better, so I might actually be more comfortable giving that money to Sanchez than Lester right now.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 8, 2012 15:13:05 GMT -5
Michael Silverman @mikesilvermanbb #RedSox in on Anibal Sanchez, a pitcher Ben Cherington knows very well: bit.ly/LXiJpq #Tigers #Marlins
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Post by elguapo on Nov 8, 2012 15:18:31 GMT -5
Glad to hear it - best pitcher available who doesn't require a compensation pick.
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Post by jdb on Nov 8, 2012 15:29:12 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone anywhere suggest that Sanchez is going to get anything like a CJ Wilson contract. I've seen it a few times and would be okay with it. Wilson was 31 yrs old at the signing while Sanchez will be 29 this spring. www.detroitnews.com/article/20121101/SPORTS0104/211010476Right-hander Anibal Sanchez ranks No. 4 on the list, and writer Tim Dierkes predicts he will remain with the Tigers. It won't be cheap, though, as the forecast is for a C.J. Wilson-like contract. Wilson, a left-hander, received a five-year, $75 million deal from the Angels last season. O
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Post by raftsox on Nov 8, 2012 15:37:41 GMT -5
Glad to hear it - best pitcher available who doesn't require a compensation pick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Greinke costs any compensation picks since he was traded at mid-season. Unless you mean there are other pitchers out there whom you prefer?
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Post by elguapo on Nov 8, 2012 15:42:52 GMT -5
Glad to hear it - best pitcher available who doesn't require a compensation pick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Greinke costs any compensation picks since he was traded at mid-season. Unless you mean there are other pitchers out there whom you prefer? Mostly I mean that I am on medication. But also that I've given up on the Sox pursuing Greinke since they seem disinclined and there's no point in being disappointed.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 8, 2012 17:37:33 GMT -5
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Post by elguapo on Nov 8, 2012 19:00:00 GMT -5
Sanchez AND Kuroda - now we're talkin'!
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