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Post by ibsmith85 on May 1, 2014 10:38:44 GMT -5
Phenomenal story. Hate that trade even more now if thats possible. Loved the last quip... It was probably a favor to him because he likely never would have been called up to the Red Sox. Thats fine, and Im happy for Martin, the trade was still terrible, Herrera is awful, and that offseason video of him assualting a carwash (IIRC) employee was disgraceful. I HATE HIM.
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Post by jimed14 on May 1, 2014 10:43:43 GMT -5
It was probably a favor to him because he likely never would have been called up to the Red Sox. Thats fine, and Im happy for Martin, the trade was still terrible, Herrera is awful, and that offseason video of him assualting a carwash (IIRC) employee was disgraceful. I HATE HIM. I rather would have signed Punto again. But I won't get too excited about the utility IF.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 1, 2014 11:36:51 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on May 1, 2014 12:07:17 GMT -5
I think you included the wrong link.
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Post by joshv02 on May 1, 2014 12:20:16 GMT -5
Which was a lot less embarassing than I wished it would be.
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Post by Guidas on May 2, 2014 14:54:38 GMT -5
Hanrahan signs with Tigers for $1M guaranteed, can go up to $3M.
I always thought his BB/K ratio was too high, but for $1M I would've actually been ok if they signed him, esp with Koji looking more human lately and Mujica looking more like a batting practice pitcher. Rather pay him than trade any prospect of value for a reliever at the deadline.
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Post by Guidas on May 2, 2014 16:10:07 GMT -5
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Post by mgoetze on May 2, 2014 16:21:51 GMT -5
You do realize that that's basically a dumbed-down Fangraphs article, right?
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Post by jmei on May 2, 2014 16:45:01 GMT -5
Baseball Prospectus has updated pitch-framing data. The Red Sox rank 6th in baseball, despite Pierzynski's history of middling framing numbers.
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Post by ajs1994 on May 3, 2014 17:17:27 GMT -5
Baseball Prospectus has updated pitch-framing data. The Red Sox rank 6th in baseball, despite Pierzynski's history of middling framing numbers. And interestingly enough, despite salty's strong pitch framing history, Miami is in last place. Obviously not a huge sample size yet, but that's odd so far.
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Post by mgoetze on May 4, 2014 5:27:30 GMT -5
^Miami's 13-12 with Salty catching a young staff. We're 9-13 with A.J. catching a veteran staff. Yeah I'd happily trade any of our vets and enough money to pay him for 5 years for Fernandez. I'll even throw in Cecchini as a bonus!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 4, 2014 5:58:31 GMT -5
I think you included the wrong link. Yes I did sorry about that. Correct link
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Post by ajs1994 on May 4, 2014 11:04:32 GMT -5
^Miami's 13-12 with Salty catching a young staff. We're 9-13 with A.J. catching a veteran staff. Yeah not saying he hasn't been great for Miami, but thought it was interesting to note.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 4, 2014 19:30:53 GMT -5
^Miami's 13-12 with Salty catching a young staff. We're 9-13 with A.J. catching a veteran staff. Yeah not saying he hasn't been great for Miami, but thought it was interesting to note. So I assume the point is that it's far too early in the season to draw any real conclusions about anything.
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Post by ajs1994 on May 4, 2014 19:52:21 GMT -5
Yeah not saying he hasn't been great for Miami, but thought it was interesting to note. So I assume the point is that it's far too early in the season to draw any real conclusions about anything. Indeed, which includes Salty's hot start with the bat (which hasn't coincided with a substantial decrease in k rate, which is his Achilles heel). At this point there's still a lot of statistical noise. Though Salty is walking a ton so far this year (16.5% of the time), and that should be interesting to follow and see if it's a legitimate skill improvement or small sample blip.
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Post by godot on May 4, 2014 20:28:47 GMT -5
Salty walked often with the Sox and of course kd out a ton. That is his MO. He leads the Marlins in OBP, which is a religious sign to many and gives him a pass on the ks. He is streaky like many hitters of his ilk. He did though improve his hitting and some receiving skills, ,mainly working with the pitchers. I rant that the Sox should have kept him, hoping that he would be good trade bait next year. But before I take myself seriously I need to see if the improvement continues with the Marlins. When makes contact the ball is usallly hit very hard, and his home runs this year have been of the 400 ft plus variety. He hit a slew of doubles last year, and often they turn into home runs. Regardless, it's fun watching him progress or not.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 4, 2014 23:38:56 GMT -5
Don't think he was quite appreciated enough with the Sox. Turned himself from a poor catcher to, at the very least, an adequate one. He's also delivering on the promise he showed in the minors with the bat.
The BB rate, which has been improving for a few years, may not stay at 16%, but it's certainly headed up again. And the power has always been real. What he needed was what the Sox gave him, and that was playing time. Takes time to figure what pitchers throw, how they're trying to set you up, the sequence, all of it.
I thought the Sox should have offered him the QO, that he was worth it even if it was a slight overpay. Of course, if he keeps this up that would have been a bargain rate.
No matter. I'm glad he's doing well. He deserves his success.
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Post by mattpicard on May 4, 2014 23:58:10 GMT -5
Don't think he was quite appreciated enough with the Sox. Turned himself from a poor catcher to, at the very least, an adequate one. He's also delivering on the promise he showed in the minors with the bat. The BB rate, which has been improving for a few years, may not stay at 16%, but it's certainly headed up again. And the power has always been real. What he needed was what the Sox gave him, and that was playing time. Takes time to figure what pitchers throw, how they're trying to set you up, the sequence, all of it. I thought the Sox should have offered him the QO, that he was worth it even if it was a slight overpay. Of course, if he keeps this up that would have been a bargain rate.No matter. I'm glad he's doing well. He deserves his success. Yup. The big thing with letting Salty walk was not giving him multiple years, with him seeming likely to require at least three years on the open market. But having him back for one season for just about $6 million more than AJP? That sounds like it would have made a ton of sense. Thing is, at the time, I was leaning pretty heavily against QO'ing Salty, but then again, I never thought we'd end up with AJP as the alternative. Still, Salty gave us plenty of reasons to suspect a fair amount of regression with that BABIP and K% last season (and also his z-contact%), and AJP's results, at least offensively, have been perfectly serviceable for a catcher. He's just one of those players who really boils your blood when he doesn't get a good outcome.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 5, 2014 0:24:41 GMT -5
You're right, BABIP was the question mark, whether he would regress, and by how much. He does make very hard contact when he does connect, and that may be the key to what's going on. That BABIP looks a lot more sustainable if the contact rate stays high. He's cruising right now.
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Post by ajs1994 on May 5, 2014 2:20:39 GMT -5
Salty walked often with the Sox and of course kd out a ton. That is his MO. He leads the Marlins in OBP, which is a religious sign to many and gives him a pass on the ks. He is streaky like many hitters of his ilk. He did though improve his hitting and some receiving skills, ,mainly working with the pitchers. I rant that the Sox should have kept him, hoping that he would be good trade bait next year. But before I take myself seriously I need to see if the improvement continues with the Marlins. When makes contact the ball is usallly hit very hard, and his home runs this year have been of the 400 ft plus variety. He hit a slew of doubles last year, and often they turn into home runs. Regardless, it's fun watching him progress or not. Yeah he never walked this much though. 8-10% is far different from what he's doing this year. Improving his walk rate even a couple more percentage points and cutting his k rate a couple points at the same timet could make him enormously valuable combined with his power and framing skills. Wish him the best of luck in Mismi.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 5, 2014 17:02:02 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 5, 2014 17:31:23 GMT -5
Here's something I'd like to revisit: I think the Dodgers did a disservice to Puig by having him skip AAA. /random thought. .309/.397/.500, 10.2% BB rate, 20.3 % K rate. A little bit of BABIP inflation but whatever. Can everyone who was on the "Puig is a problem for the Dodgers" bandwagon please raise their hands? Thanks.
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Post by ibsmith85 on May 6, 2014 7:18:46 GMT -5
Mo Rivera shows some serious respect to Pedey, all though I'm not sure if it isn't more of a dig/motivating spark at Cano. Either way he released some excerpts from his new book "The Closer", and says his dream team includes Pedey at 2B over his longtime teammate. He wonders if Cano has the will/drive to be as great as he could/should be. ESPN.com
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 6, 2014 7:28:18 GMT -5
Robinson Cano hasn't played less than 159 games in a season since 2006. Slacker.
I love Mo, but this is just another example of how players tend to make lousy analysts.
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Post by James Dunne on May 6, 2014 7:29:42 GMT -5
Yeah, but if he ran into walls and dove head first he'd really show his passion in 120 games a year, and that's more important.
EDIT: One thing that's very important to note with all these people questioning Cano's passion/desire/ethic this offseason: he was never a top-100 prospect in any publication. He was never someone who had the scouts drooling over him in the minors, who was a sure-thing major leaguer, a should-be Hall of Famer who is disappointingly only an All-Star. He got a chance in the majors because Brian Cashman went into the 2005 season thinking Tony Womack was a good idea and didn't bother to hire an experienced backup. I'm not sure how to build yourself from non-top-100 prospect to $240 million player since I've never done it myself, but I'm guessing slacking isn't a huge part of the regimen.
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