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3/31-4/3 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by MLBDreams on Mar 31, 2014 11:40:55 GMT -5
It's just awful to find out by the rotation order 1-3 for the Baltimore series. Both Lackey & Doubront pitched poorly during entire March of ST games. That concern me greatly as they invite to take more beatings from the Orioles line up just like Texas & Detroit did from their Opening Day series in few yr ago.
No more JBJ, please. I don't get it from any posters that wanted him on 25 man roster. He can't hit. Period. He'll repeat from last April performance. Too much rewarding for awful player that doesn't suppose to be there.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2014 11:44:28 GMT -5
It's just awful to find out by the rotation order 1-3 for the Baltimore series. Both Lackey & Doubront pitched poorly during entire March of ST games. That concern me greatly as they invite to take more beatings from the Orioles line up just like Texas & Detroit did from their Opening Day series in few yr ago. No more JBJ, please. I don't get it from any posters that wanted him on 25 man roster. He can't hit. Period. He'll repeat from last April performance. Too much rewarding for awful player that doesn't suppose to be there. I think you're putting a bit too much emphasis on spring training results. I mean you just want to get rid of JBJ? He OPS'ed .843 in AAA last year and is a top 5 defensive CF in the majors today.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 31, 2014 11:44:50 GMT -5
No longer a lurker, time to participate. Love this website....not sure how much value I will add...at a minimum it will be muchlLove for our Red Sox prospects and team...and disdain for all things Yankee. Yo, welcome. Those are always valuable assets, you can just join the chorus!
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Post by mattpicard on Mar 31, 2014 11:47:09 GMT -5
So, if we had traded Carp, and planned to have Bradley on the initial 25-man roster a week ago, who woulda been the call-up? Hassan? I don't think that would be a better team than they have now. Think about it this way: if you think a Nava/Sizemore/Bradley outfield is a better (or equal) regular starting outfield (considering both offense and defense) than Carp/Sizemore/Nava, who would you rather have on your bench, Carp or Hassan? The answer is Hassan, because he can spell Bradley versus lefties, something that Carp can't do as effectively. Carp is a better pinch-hitter, but who is he going to pinch-hit for? The only real options are the catcher and maybe Middlebrooks, so you're not going to have the opportunity to use him in that role all that often. Carp can also occasionally spell Napoli or Ortiz, but neither looks like he needs too many days off (fingers crossed, knock on wood). (Of course, it wouldn't be crazy to prefer a Carp/Sizemore/Nava outfield over a Nava/Sizemore/Bradley one. Carp is certainly a better hitter than Bradley. But I think Carp is such a butcher in LF and Nava is so much worse in RF that you more than give up the offensive advantage on the defensive side.) I think you've been overly critical of Nava's defense in RF -- I realize you're just highlighting the pronounced difference between him and Bradley here, but you've made several posts knocking Nava in right. He's not Shane Victorino out there, and he's probably not even average, but is he that much worse than average? You can't cite his sub-500 inning sample in 2013 to draw a substantive conclusion of him being a poor right fielder. Yeah, it was a -4.6 UZR, but his DRS was a mere -1. The one agreement UZR and DRS had on him him was that, by their differing magnitudes, he was pretty much exactly the same in RF as LF. Nava is no where close to Victorino and Bradley Jr. on defense, but put him in an average (non-Fenway) RF and tell me, is he really a liability? O's lineup: RF Nick Markakis SS J.J. Hardy CF Adam Jones 1B Chris Davis LF Nelson Cruz C Matt Wieters DH Delmon Young 3B Ryan Flaherty 2B Jonathan Schoop RHP Chris Tillman
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2014 11:53:17 GMT -5
Sounds like Victorino is out for 2-3 weeks.
Edit: or more
Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 5m Pedro Gomez on ESPN from Baltimore says he is hearing Victorino might be out 20-25 games.
Uggh, not a good way to start the season.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 31, 2014 12:00:15 GMT -5
There's no one answer to that question. Having Nava in RF in Fenway is different than having him in RF in Camden. Worrying more about offense than defense in the OF makes more sense when Buchholz is pitching than when Peavy is. The opposing pitching matchup makes a difference, as well, although probably not as much. It's an odd team in one respect: the infield is very righthanded, and the outfield is lefthanded, very much so with Victorino out.
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Post by godot on Mar 31, 2014 12:02:12 GMT -5
Well, looks like Bradley Jr. will get some game time. The question is how much, and will it be enough to provide enough opportunities for him to demonstrate he has improved ( offensively). I can understand what his supporters like Norm are saying, but egad, his k rates suggests he has been over matched. People point to Dustin's poor start, but if I recall correctly, he has at least putting the ball in play. To his credit thou, the balls Jr. put into play this spring were fairly well hit.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Mar 31, 2014 12:03:28 GMT -5
Both Lackey & Doubront pitched poorly during entire March of ST games. How, because they had inflated BABIP? Both pitched well. He just has to play. Playing 7 games in the next 20 days isn't going to show anything one way or another.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2014 12:08:00 GMT -5
Who does everyone think will be the 2nd OF called up? Brentz? Hassan? Brown (can he be optioned back if called up?)?
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Post by godot on Mar 31, 2014 12:15:58 GMT -5
Yup, Jr. may not get into enough games. Let's see, Sizemore will be rested every fifth game or so, and who knows how the Gomes, Nava switches will go, allowing him to play rf when Nava is not there, probably not many. Even though it may be 7 or so games, wouldn't the quality of his abats and ability to consistently put the ball into play, gives us a clue?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2014 12:18:17 GMT -5
If JBJ is on the roster and isn't in RF in Fenway, the honeymoon is over for Farrell for me.
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Post by jmei on Mar 31, 2014 12:27:01 GMT -5
I think you've been overly critical of Nava's defense in RF -- I realize you're just highlighting the pronounced difference between him and Bradley here, but you've made several posts knocking Nava in right. He's not Shane Victorino out there, and he's probably not even average, but is he that much worse than average? You can't cite his sub-500 inning sample in 2013 to draw a substantive conclusion of him being a poor right fielder. Yeah, it was a -4.6 UZR, but his DRS was a mere -1. The one agreement UZR and DRS had on him him was that, by their differing magnitudes, he was pretty much exactly the same in RF as LF. Nava is no where close to Victorino and Bradley Jr. on defense, but put him in an average (non-Fenway) RF and tell me, is he really a liability? I do think Nava is a meaningfully worse RF than LF. He's only got a career 514 defensive innings in RF, which is next to nothing, but it's illustrative to note that all the defensive metrics think that he's worse in RF than LF over his career. (I know you're only comparing his 2013 LF/RF defense above, but I think it's more accurate to compare his career fielding numbers given the small samples involved.) Nava plays half his games in a right field that requires a lot of range, and his arm also plays up much better in LF than RF (average arm strength but inaccurate at times). You make a fair point, though, that maybe I'm overreacting to small samples of iffy defensive stats, and I agree that I should probably reserve some judgment (or at least note the substantial uncertainty involved in evaluating his RF defense) until he's gotten more playing time there. For what it's worth, Farrell seems to not mind playing him in RF, and the front office/coaching staff certainly has more insight than us, so maybe he's better there than the defensive metrics have indicated so far.
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Post by jmei on Mar 31, 2014 12:27:53 GMT -5
If JBJ is on the roster and isn't in RF in Fenway, the honeymoon is over for Farrell for me. Oh man, the Opening Day game hasn't started yet and we're already in midseason form. Bravo, sir.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 31, 2014 12:50:04 GMT -5
It is a little strange that JBJ isn't in there, but if RF in Camden is really small and LF isn't too big then I can somewhat justify Carp in place of Bradley, but honestly I'd rather see Bradley in the outfield and have Carp coming off the bench late in a game if the Sox trail and when defense isn't as crucial as scoring more runs.
I know JBJ hasn't shown much yet, but I think, given a fair chance, he will - and the injury to Victorino might open up that chance. I wouldn't think we'd see the Carp/Sizemore/Nava alignment at Fenway although even if the pitcher is righty it wouldn't shock me to see Farrell goes with Gomes/Sizemore/Nava at Fenway although to me there is no reason why Bradley shouldn't be the RF at Fenway regardless of what hand the opposing pitcher throws with.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 31, 2014 13:08:58 GMT -5
If JBJ is on the roster and isn't in RF in Fenway, the honeymoon is over for Farrell for me. Oh man, the Opening Day game hasn't started yet and we're already in midseason form. Bravo, sir. Sharpening the knives... Victorino was so good last year, I was really hoping he could squeeze in more games than the 122 he had. I was thinking 130 would make me ecstatic, 115-130 happy, and even 100-115 satisfied. Really hope this isn't a long-term thing.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2014 13:13:02 GMT -5
I think this is the slowest hour of my life.
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Post by Guidas on Mar 31, 2014 13:31:24 GMT -5
Who does everyone think will be the 2nd OF called up? Brentz? Hassan? Brown (can he be optioned back if called up?)? Because he looked good in spring, he's got a good arm, and, most of all, because his bat can run into a HR at any moment. Just a guess, but basically a right-handed Carp with a better arm, and if that's what Farrell wants…
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 31, 2014 13:32:58 GMT -5
OK, place your bets ... in a Sizemore/Victorino playing time wager, how many innings would Victorino have to be favored by to bet on Grady Sizemore? Any?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2014 13:36:36 GMT -5
OK, place your bets ... in a Sizemore/Victorino playing time wager, how many innings would Victorino have to be favored by to bet on Grady Sizemore? Any? I wouldn't touch that.
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Post by charliezink16 on Mar 31, 2014 13:41:55 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Mar 31, 2014 14:09:48 GMT -5
Who does everyone think will be the 2nd OF called up? Brentz? Hassan? Brown (can he be optioned back if called up?)? Because he looked good in spring, he's got a good arm, and, most of all, because his bat can run into a HR at any moment. Just a guess, but basically a right-handed Carp with a better arm, and if that's what Farrell wants… Yeah, it's Brentz. I've been a big proponent of Hassan, but Brentz is the better defender, and Hassan's superior OBP is offset by Brentz's superior power.
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Post by jdb on Mar 31, 2014 14:22:36 GMT -5
Suttclif lol. He doesn't pay attention to a 7 AB sample size but 10 is different.
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Post by jmei on Mar 31, 2014 14:24:23 GMT -5
Suttclif lol. He doesn't pay attention to a 7 AB sample size but 10 is different. Let's not get greedy. The fact that an announcer used the phrase "sample size" is surprising enough, to be honest.
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 31, 2014 14:39:13 GMT -5
Fantastic decision to start Carp
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Post by jmei on Mar 31, 2014 14:44:55 GMT -5
Damn, I thought that one was gone coming off the bat. If it was 30 degrees warming, it probably would have been.
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