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Post by bsout2 on Jan 16, 2013 19:31:27 GMT -5
Or the Red Sox could dangle Barnes/+ for Montero. Not that they would, just saying it would be the crazy move everyone on the board wants.
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Post by mainesox on Jan 16, 2013 19:41:27 GMT -5
Or the Red Sox could dangle Barnes/+ for Montero. Not that they would, just saying it would be the crazy move everyone on the board wants. Or not
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 16, 2013 19:48:42 GMT -5
Or the Red Sox could dangle Barnes/+ for Montero. Not that they would, just saying it would be the crazy move everyone on the board wants. Or not Or DOUBLE Not
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Post by amfox1 on Jan 16, 2013 19:49:08 GMT -5
Or the Red Sox could dangle Barnes/+ for Montero. Not that they would, just saying it would be the crazy move everyone on the board wants. The move that I want is to sign Napoli to a one-year deal and re-assess at the trade deadline.
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Post by remember04 on Jan 16, 2013 20:04:59 GMT -5
Or the Red Sox could dangle Barnes/+ for Montero. Not that they would, just saying it would be the crazy move everyone on the board wants. The move that I want is to sign Napoli to a one-year deal and re-assess at the trade deadline. I agree. With a one year deal there's a less than zero chance we make a QO on him after the season. With a three year deal that definitely wasn't happening.
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Post by jmei on Jan 16, 2013 20:26:07 GMT -5
With the available landing spots drying up (Seattle was reportedly one of the few other teams interested in him, and Texas seems to be out considering they were unwilling to even offer him the QO), Napoli will almost certainly have to settle for what Boston is offering. Whether you call it a one-year deal with a vesting option or a multi-year deal with an injury-triggered opt-out, the Red Sox want protection in case the hip injury flares up again.
Even with the injury more serious than initially reported, I still think Napoli is probably the best of the first base options that were potentially available to the Red Sox this offseason. He's probably better than Youkilis and wouldn't have cost a significant prospect haul like Morse or Morales. Plus, if he stays healthy, the Red Sox will have additional years of control over a presumably productive hitter with the injury risk significantly curtained.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 16, 2013 22:35:39 GMT -5
The move that I want is to sign Napoli to a one-year deal and re-assess at the trade deadline. I agree. With a one year deal there's a less than zero chance we make a QO on him after the season. With a three year deal that definitely wasn't happening. I would disagree with that "less than zero chance" assessment of making Napoli a qualifying offer after the season. If Napoli has a healthy season in which he is productive, I would think that the Sox would indeed offer him a qualifying offer. Worst case scenario, he'd accept and the Sox would have wasted $13 million for one year - which is hardly an albatross contract. On the plus side, he can re-sign with the Sox - probably for one year - doubt the Sox would chance it for more than that. He could sign elsewhere and the Sox collect a compensation pick - which would be what the Sox would hope for. Or giving up a draft pick for him sours other teams to make an investment in him and the Sox wind up re-signing him for a lower rate. This will all depend upon his health and performance and if he succeeds in both, then I do believe the Sox would give him a qualifying offer.
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Post by remember04 on Jan 17, 2013 1:10:06 GMT -5
I agree. With a one year deal there's a less than zero chance we make a QO on him after the season. With a three year deal that definitely wasn't happening. I would disagree with that "less than zero chance" assessment of making Napoli a qualifying offer after the season. If Napoli has a healthy season in which he is productive, I would think that the Sox would indeed offer him a qualifying offer. Worst case scenario, he'd accept and the Sox would have wasted $13 million for one year - which is hardly an albatross contract. On the plus side, he can re-sign with the Sox - probably for one year - doubt the Sox would chance it for more than that. He could sign elsewhere and the Sox collect a compensation pick - which would be what the Sox would hope for. Or giving up a draft pick for him sours other teams to make an investment in him and the Sox wind up re-signing him for a lower rate. This will all depend upon his health and performance and if he succeeds in both, then I do believe the Sox would give him a qualifying offer. My mistake. I meant to type "non zero chance" so yeah I kind of agree.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 17, 2013 23:23:00 GMT -5
... if Bogaerts has a 'special' bat then he may be a great hitting gold glove first baseman a la Pujos (3B/LF), Gonzalez (3B), Youkilis (3B), etc.. Did the lefty Adrian Gonzalez play some 3b in backyard wiffleball? Not sure where my mind was on that - was thinking Miguel Cabrera (who of course is kinda back at 3B now) A few others: Mark Teixeira (3B) Carlos Delgado (C) Paul Konerko (C) Brett Wallack (3B) Michael Morse (SS - no joke) Justin Morneau (C) Jim Thome (3B) .....anyway - u get the idea
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 19, 2013 9:39:59 GMT -5
I believe we all feel we need a complement player for Napoli that bats left and could play other positions. I'm not sure working Kalish or Nava in is totally the best way to go, and I'm against signing a one-dimensional player to be our #25 guy on the roster. We need some flexibility. I've mentioned a guy like Carp, but that may not happen because of what a team like the M's are looking for in return. He is left-handed. He can play a passable 1st and LF. How about we think WAY out of the box. How about an uncostly free agent like Adam Kennedy? He has played all over the field, and especially 2nd and 3rd, but he has played 1st some the last several years. He is decent hitter and gives us flexibility....and he is cheap. Here is his fielding stats. Notice his time has increased as a 1st baseman: espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/4157/type/fielding/adam-kennedy
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Post by Guidas on Jan 19, 2013 10:06:29 GMT -5
Or why not just sign Kotchman for a one-year deal?
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Post by elguapo on Jan 19, 2013 11:10:05 GMT -5
Or why not just sign Kotchman for a one-year deal? "I'm against signing a one-dimensional player to be our #25 guy on the roster. We need some flexibility." What is Kotchman's one dimension, anyway? Fielding first base? Remember when we dumped Adam LaRoche and upgraded to Kotchman?
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Post by jmei on Jan 19, 2013 11:43:19 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 19, 2013 12:00:51 GMT -5
I believe we all feel we need a complement player for Napoli that bats left and could play other positions. I'm not sure working Kalish or Nava in is totally the best way to go, and I'm against signing a one-dimensional player to be our #25 guy on the roster. We need some flexibility. I've mentioned a guy like Carp, but that may not happen because of what a team like the M's are looking for in return. He is left-handed. He can play a passable 1st and LF. How about we think WAY out of the box. How about an uncostly free agent like Adam Kennedy? He has played all over the field, and especially 2nd and 3rd, but he has played 1st some the last several years. He is decent hitter and gives us flexibility....and he is cheap. Here is his fielding stats. Notice his time has increased as a 1st baseman: espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/4157/type/fielding/adam-kennedyThis would also allow for extra depth in-case of injury to another infielder. But if we are thinking along these lines I would lean towards making a play for Kelly Johnson as I think his bat will play up a little more at 1B and in the corner OF spots (where he played very well as a rookie). I'm just not sure if he would be willing to take this kind of backup role at his age. www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2234&position=2BThis would be their bench: Ross (backup catcher, defensive replacement, solid bat vs LHP and RHP) Ciricao (pinch runner, defensive replacement) Kennedy or Johnson (1B defensive replacement, spot-start vs RHP, backup at OF and IF) Gomes/Nava (Starting LF, pinch hitter) Covers everything but a defensive replacement OF - which this team could really use if Nava's SSS improved defense doesn't hold up
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Post by jioh on Jan 24, 2013 6:16:10 GMT -5
Mariners have declared Smoak is still their 1b. But they are weak at C mlb.si.com/2013/01/23/winter-report-cards-seattle-mariners/?sct=uk_t11_a4"The departures of Jaso and Miguel Olivo leave 23-year-old Jesus Montero as the only catcher on the roster, suggesting he’s the likely starter. ... he hit just .260/.298/.386 with 15 homers and 25 unintentional walks in 553 PA,[and] he threw out just 17 percent of opposing base thieves while allowing 1.0 stolen bases per nine, the fourth-highest rate of any catcher with at least 400 innings. [[plus more bad stats]] Though 2011 first round pick Mike Zunino is the likely catcher of the future, he’s just 21 years old, with 15 games above Low-A in his first professional season, and isn’t likely to see action with the big club in 2013. Right now, the wonderfully named Jesus Sucre is the nominal backup, but the 24-year-old has no experience above Double-A, and last year’s (.271/.319/.315) suggest he isn’t even a major league caliber backup. Some veteran help is called for, but the free agent pickings — Rod Barajas, Kelly Shoppach, Brian Schneider, Chris Snyder, Yorvit Torrealba, Matt Treanor — are slim. A better move would be to trade for Boston’s Jarrod Saltalamacchia or Oakland’s George Kottaras, who was dislodged from the roster by the Jaso deal. One way or another, there’s still work to be done."
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 24, 2013 11:16:06 GMT -5
There was quite a bit of Montero discussion in the Morse thread. Don't give up on his bat so quickly. He was only 22, he hit a very solid .295/.330/.438 on the road, and those left field fences at Safeco are coming in. I could see a .300/.345/.500 line with a year of improvement and adjustment. He's a bad defensive catcher though, yes.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 24, 2013 11:50:03 GMT -5
... He's a bad defensive catcher though, yes. That... is an understatement. He's very painful to watch with terrible reaction time and a lost-in-space gaze when balls fly by headed towards the backstop. I've spent a bit of time watching the Mariners - the old Fox NW network now called Root carries all their games out here. I don't know that he'll ever have the skills necessary to carry the position. He actually makes Saltalamacchia look good, and that's not a joke.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 24, 2013 15:57:39 GMT -5
MattHuegelSP RT @mlbtraderumors Diamondbacks Designate Lars Anderson For Assignment
Interesting! Could Lars be our lefthanded hitting 1st baseman/OF?
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Post by remember04 on Jan 24, 2013 16:28:29 GMT -5
MattHuegelSP RT @mlbtraderumors Diamondbacks Designate Lars Anderson For Assignment Interesting! Could Lars be our lefthanded hitting 1st baseman/OF? You know I wouldn't mind that.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 24, 2013 16:40:23 GMT -5
If you'd like to take the "hitting" out of "lefthanded hitting 1B/OF," he'd be great, yes.
He's never even hit in Triple-A, never mind the majors. No thanks.
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Post by joshv02 on Jan 24, 2013 17:23:58 GMT -5
Perfectly fine as AAA depth. Obviously, not a good starting 1B option. A bit weak at positional flexibility (or offense to overcome that) to be a good bench option.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 24, 2013 17:43:27 GMT -5
Mark Hamilton is a better player. Travis Shaw may be soon, and I'm not sure that Shaw will ever turn into a starter at the major league level.
We're all disappointed that Lars didn't turn into the player we thought he would be after that monster 2008 season, but it didn't happen. He's hit .259/.355/.416 in his Triple-A career, and hit .259/.359/.415 with Pawtucket in 2012, so it's not like there's a upward trend line to try to get excited about. Even as Triple-A veteran depth, there are better options.
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Post by hammerhead on Jan 25, 2013 7:50:55 GMT -5
Lars does have a couple things going for him A. he's still youngish and B. he does have the pedigree and that AA season to give some people hope that he's simply a late bloomer. He could have a Michael Morse type career arc and at least has much better on-base skills and defense then Morse.
I don't think he will ever be more than AAA filler, but he is still young enough to put it together if the stars align.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 25, 2013 7:57:12 GMT -5
Lars does have a couple things going for him A. he's still youngish and B. he does have the pedigree and that AA season to give some people hope that he's simply a late bloomer. He could have a Michael Morse type career arc and at least has much better on-base skills and defense then Morse. I don't think he will ever be more than AAA filler, but he is still young enough to put it together if the stars align. You mean that AA month?
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Post by jmei on Jan 25, 2013 8:30:41 GMT -5
Since 2008, Lars Anderson has only had one stretch where he OPSed over .800, and it was that month at AA where he put up 71 PAs of production inflated by an unsustainable .395 BABIP. That's also the only stretch since 2008 when he's put up an ISO higher than .175 and he's never struck out less than 20% of the time. He has solid plate discipline but strikes out too much and hasn't hit for above-average power in five years, mostly because his swing doesn't generate any lift and so even with plus raw strength he just pounds balls into the dirt.
If he was a minor league free agent, I could see the Sox taking a flyer. But he's definitely not worth the 40-man spot and needs to show a lot more before meriting considering for a major league bench spot.
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