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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 24, 2014 19:18:23 GMT -5
Not unless you're willing to give Drew a 3 year deal, which Boras says Drew already has on the table (even though its a lie probably.) I was willing to give him that all offseason, and still would be open to the idea if another team was seriously considering giving him one. His AAV at this point isn't likely to be too high. Drew isn't just an extremely solid defensive shortstop, but a plus bat vs. RHP's as well. Ok. How much longer do we stick with Felix?
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Post by Guidas on Apr 24, 2014 19:18:56 GMT -5
This is sickening.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 24, 2014 19:23:19 GMT -5
We should be watching RDLR.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 24, 2014 19:23:43 GMT -5
That actually was a gutless performance. Though, considering the play of the defense I can't say I blame him.
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Post by stevedillard on Apr 24, 2014 19:26:43 GMT -5
who is the jerk who told Doubront to show up in shape this year?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 24, 2014 19:36:00 GMT -5
I'm glad I didn't have any tickets to April games this year. Man.
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Post by station13 on Apr 24, 2014 20:23:18 GMT -5
Doubront was awful. He's consistently mediocre or just bad.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 24, 2014 20:29:46 GMT -5
Doubront was awful. He's consistently mediocre or just bad. I disagree. He's fantastic just often enough to have the Red Sox believe in him. He's becoming the Red Sox version of Phil Hughes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 20:36:27 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it again - the Sox should have sold high on Doubront this past offseason. I'm also beginning to wonder whether the team wouldn't be better off signing Drew and moving X to left field.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 24, 2014 20:53:18 GMT -5
On the one hand, I think the Red Sox should sign Stephen Drew. On the other, it's always cute to watch a Little League infield take ground balls, and watching the Red Sox allows me to do that without looking like a creepy old man.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 24, 2014 20:54:12 GMT -5
I don't care what kind of sparkplug he is, Brock Holt is not a major league level defensive player. I don't think Xander is there yet either, honestly.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 24, 2014 20:56:38 GMT -5
This team embarrassed itself tonight.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 24, 2014 21:01:48 GMT -5
The only way this could get any worse is if Tazawa comes into this game, the Yankees have him checked and he gets suspended.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 24, 2014 21:03:48 GMT -5
I'm just going to try and remember that we are playing with house money this year. The kids need to get better,but that will take time. The Xander bashing is really tired
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 24, 2014 21:05:00 GMT -5
I don't know if I should turn into that guy, but, man, if there were a SS with plus defense who posted a 137 wRC+ vs. RHP and 3.4 WAR in 2013 available, that'd make some sense for this team. Xander's bat may turn out to be monstrous, but he's never going to be a plus shortstop. We can drop the dream of having an elite slugging SS and instead improve our team and live with him growing into a great third baseman.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 24, 2014 21:09:26 GMT -5
The Xander bashing is really tired We all love Xander. The bashing is aimed at the decision makers who insist on playing him at the wrong position.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 24, 2014 21:10:02 GMT -5
I don't know if I should turn into that guy, but, man, if there were a SS with plus defense who posted a 137 wRC+ vs. RHP and 3.4 WAR in 2013 available, that'd make some sense for this team. Xander's bat may turn out to be monstrous, but he's never going to be a plus shortstop. We can drop the dream of having an elite slugging SS and instead improve our team and live with him growing into a great third baseman. You should be known as Carnac the Magnficent from now on. How many of these SS's currently exist. He deserves a chance and we should be his biggest chearleader.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 24, 2014 21:15:41 GMT -5
I don't know if I should turn into that guy, but, man, if there were a SS with plus defense who posted a 137 wRC+ vs. RHP and 3.4 WAR in 2013 available, that'd make some sense for this team. Xander's bat may turn out to be monstrous, but he's never going to be a plus shortstop. We can drop the dream of having an elite slugging SS and instead improve our team and live with him growing into a great third baseman. You should be known as Carnac the Magnficent from now on. How many of these SS's currently exist. He deserves a chance and we should be his biggest chearleader. I love Xander and have the utmost confidence that he'll turn out to be a terrific hitter and great overall player. But the team would be better with Drew at SS and Xander at 3B, would it not? Xander's range at short seems average at best, and many of us have noted a slow first step. To survive at the position with those characteristics, you really need to have great hands and throwing accuracy. Xander's had a concerning amount of crap throws on routine plays this season.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 24, 2014 21:16:54 GMT -5
I smell a comeback. You poor cynics.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 24, 2014 21:17:10 GMT -5
That's probably not what happened when Greene dreamed about his MLB debut.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 24, 2014 21:24:17 GMT -5
You should be known as Carnac the Magnficent from now on. How many of these SS's currently exist. He deserves a chance and we should be his biggest chearleader. I love Xander and have the utmost confidence that he'll turn out to be a terrific hitter and great overall player. But the team would be better with Drew at SS and Xander at 3B, would it not? Xander's range at short seems average at best, and many of us have noted a slow first step. To survive at the position with those characteristics, you really need to have great hands and throwing accuracy. Xander's had a concerning amount of crap throws on routine plays this season. I'll end my take. I am not willing to risk his development or confidence for Stephen Drew to re-sign. Great players are made through talent and repetition....and if he doesn't fit the bill..so be it.
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 24, 2014 21:29:37 GMT -5
I'm just going to try and remember that we are playing with house money this year. The kids need to get better,but that will take time. The Xander bashing is really tired
I think everyone here is a fan of Xander. The scouting reports have his ceiling as an average defender at ss. It's not bashing to point out he may never reach that ceiling. He's been bad in the field. His first step is slow and he should have 3 or 4 more errors than he's been charged with. Napoli has bailed him out, and one play that wasn't challenged saved him an error.
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Post by godot on Apr 24, 2014 21:31:34 GMT -5
Are you helping his confidence by throwing him into a position that he may not be able to play well even with repetitions? Will it eventually affect his hitting? Would he be better served by focusing on third?
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 24, 2014 21:31:55 GMT -5
I am not willing to risk his development or confidence for Stephen Drew to re-sign. I don't think confidence is an issue. Xander can play 3B, what's it to him? So about that development. What are the chances he will develop into an average or better defensive shortstop and how much time should he realistically be given to do it? This is a sincere question, I don't know very much about this sort of thing. But intuitively, I'd think it's not going to get much better now after he has been playing SS pretty much his entire life.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 24, 2014 21:33:56 GMT -5
I love Xander and have the utmost confidence that he'll turn out to be a terrific hitter and great overall player. But the team would be better with Drew at SS and Xander at 3B, would it not? Xander's range at short seems average at best, and many of us have noted a slow first step. To survive at the position with those characteristics, you really need to have great hands and throwing accuracy. Xander's had a concerning amount of crap throws on routine plays this season. I'll end my take. I am not willing to risk his development or confidence for Stephen Drew to re-sign. Great players are made through talent and repetition....and if he doesn't fit the bill..so be it. Where is it written that the best thing for his development or confidence is to stay at shortstop? The greater risk may be playing him at a position where he's overmatched.
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