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4/22-4/24 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 22, 2014 23:06:52 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 1h
Farrell says Sox may need pitcher to reinforce depleted bullpen so 'not a given' Victorino is activated tomorrow
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 22, 2014 23:46:37 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 1h Farrell says Sox may need pitcher to reinforce depleted bullpen so 'not a given' Victorino is activated tomorrow Hooray for not having any pitchers with options. Anyway just send Nava down right now, don't draw it out longer than it needs to go.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 23, 2014 1:04:25 GMT -5
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 2h
#RedSox haven't made roster move, and while we don't want to make any assumptions, Nava met with Farrell behind closed doors after game
Since Britton, RDLR and Workman all pitched the last two days, I'm guessing Alex Wilson who is on the 40 man, has options and has been pitching well. I don't think they will want to mess with Webster's attempt to improve command by putting him in the pen for a single game on his start day.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 23, 2014 5:40:59 GMT -5
Wilson pitched Monday, and while I agree with your sentiment re: Webster, I'm thinking they might bring him up
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 7:22:31 GMT -5
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 2h #RedSox haven't made roster move, and while we don't want to make any assumptions, Nava met with Farrell behind closed doors after game Since Britton, RDLR and Workman all pitched the last two days, I'm guessing Alex Wilson who is on the 40 man, has options and has been pitching well. I don't think they will want to mess with Webster's attempt to improve command by putting him in the pen for a single game on his start day. Wilson is awful. AAA at best. Or he could close for the Astros.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2014 7:37:22 GMT -5
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 2h #RedSox haven't made roster move, and while we don't want to make any assumptions, Nava met with Farrell behind closed doors after game Since Britton, RDLR and Workman all pitched the last two days, I'm guessing Alex Wilson who is on the 40 man, has options and has been pitching well. I don't think they will want to mess with Webster's attempt to improve command by putting him in the pen for a single game on his start day. Wilson is awful. AAA at best. Or he could close for the Astros. I thought so too. But apparently we haven't seen the new improved Wilson who scrapped his 4 seamer for a 2 seamer and is getting a ton more ground balls.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2014 7:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 23, 2014 8:10:16 GMT -5
For some inexplicable reason some people seem to think Ellsbury had two options: yankees or red sox. I guess some people forget the Mariners actually offered Ellsbury more money than the Yankees did? Ellsbury really wanted to be a Yankee.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 23, 2014 8:17:01 GMT -5
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 2h #RedSox haven't made roster move, and while we don't want to make any assumptions, Nava met with Farrell behind closed doors after game Since Britton, RDLR and Workman all pitched the last two days, I'm guessing Alex Wilson who is on the 40 man, has options and has been pitching well. I don't think they will want to mess with Webster's attempt to improve command by putting him in the pen for a single game on his start day. Wilson is awful. AAA at best. Or he could close for the Astros. ...set-up man...
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2014 8:24:30 GMT -5
For some inexplicable reason some people seem to think Ellsbury had two options: yankees or red sox. I guess some people forget the Mariners actually offered Ellsbury more money than the Yankees did? Ellsbury really wanted to be a Yankee. I'm so annoyed by the self-appointed fan police. Who gives a damn whether fans boo him? He's on the MFY. We'd boo the pope if he was wearing a Yankee jersey.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 23, 2014 8:46:09 GMT -5
For some inexplicable reason some people seem to think Ellsbury had two options: yankees or red sox. I guess some people forget the Mariners actually offered Ellsbury more money than the Yankees did? Ellsbury really wanted to be a Yankee. I'm so annoyed by the self-appointed fan police. Who gives a damn whether fans boo him? He's on the MFY. We'd boo the pope if he was wearing a Yankee jersey. Thats exactly what I'm saying. I saw a highlight this morning and the announcers were saying "the red sox didn't offer him a contract, what was he supposed to do, retire?" The announcers clearly didn't know the mariners offered him more money, or that there were several other bidders. Yeah ellsbury helped the Sox win but now he is literally doing the complete opposite of that. Its a game, and I doubt it bothers ellsbury people boo him. Its fun to boo and thats the way boston fans have always been with Yankee players. People should be allowed to have their own opinions on it without being scolded by the fan police as you accurately described them.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 23, 2014 8:50:29 GMT -5
I saw a highlight this morning and the announcers were saying "the red sox didn't offer him a contract, what was he supposed to do, retire?" Technically untrue, the Red Sox offered Ellsbury a 1 year $14m deal.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 23, 2014 9:01:15 GMT -5
For some inexplicable reason some people seem to think Ellsbury had two options: yankees or red sox. I guess some people forget the Mariners actually offered Ellsbury more money than the Yankees did? Ellsbury really wanted to be a Yankee. One can reasonably guess that he wanted to play for a decently-run, contending franchise in a park conducive to his hitting, and get paid a lot of money. Back when we assumed that the MFY's would not be interested, I argued that the negatives that came with the Mariners -- struggling franchise, terrible hitter's park -- might more than offset any extra cash they might offer, versus us. But the Yankees can offer the short porch in right plus the potential to contend every year, and the profile of playing in NYC with the ease of acquiring endorsements. It's zero surprise that they didn't have to outbid the Mariners. BTW, it's only 7 games, but Cano at home is 6/26, no XBH, 2 BB, 7 SO (.231 / .286 / .231), and his road numbers are down as well (as were Beltre's when he played there).
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 23, 2014 9:07:41 GMT -5
I'm so annoyed by the self-appointed fan police. Who gives a damn whether fans boo him? He's on the MFY. We'd boo the pope if he was wearing a Yankee jersey. Thats exactly what I'm saying. I saw a highlight this morning and the announcers were saying "the red sox didn't offer him a contract, what was he supposed to do, retire?" The announcers clearly didn't know the mariners offered him more money, or that there were several other bidders. Yeah ellsbury helped the Sox win but now he is literally doing the complete opposite of that. Its a game, and I doubt it bothers ellsbury people boo him. Its fun to boo and thats the way boston fans have always been with Yankee players. People should be allowed to have their own opinions on it without being scolded by the fan police as you accurately described them. The best sign at Fenway yesterday showed the two championship trophies and said something like "Sorry, Jacoby, I have to boo you now, that's the rule." And apparently when they played his highlight reel, he got a very big ovation -- certainly big enough that he came out of the dugout and tipped his cap (which NESN showed). Clearly a lot of those cheering people were the same who booed him when he led off the game. The vast majority of fans understand. Seinfeld's crack that "we're cheering for laundry" is not all that true, but we definitely boo laundry.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 23, 2014 9:11:59 GMT -5
For some inexplicable reason some people seem to think Ellsbury had two options: yankees or red sox. I guess some people forget the Mariners actually offered Ellsbury more money than the Yankees did? Ellsbury really wanted to be a Yankee. One can reasonably guess that he wanted to play for a decently-run, contending franchise in a park conducive to his hitting, and get paid a lot of money. Back when we assumed that the MFY's would not be interested, I argued that the negatives that came with the Mariners -- struggling franchise, terrible hitter's park -- might more than offset any extra cash they might offer, versus us. But the Yankees can offer the short porch in right plus the potential to contend every year, and the profile of playing in NYC with the ease of acquiring endorsements. It's zero surprise that they didn't have to outbid the Mariners. BTW, it's only 7 games, but Cano at home is 6/26, no XBH, 2 BB, 7 SO (.231 / .286 / .231), and his road numbers are down as well (as were Beltre's when he played there). I agree its not a surprise. My point is that people that seem to not even recognize there were other suitors for Ellsbury (or that the red sox did technically offer him a deal) should have no right to scold fans for booing him for choosing rhe Yankees. Thats all.
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Post by godot on Apr 23, 2014 9:41:01 GMT -5
Sox had previously offer Ellsbury a contract, which he declined. Don't know exact offer, but vaguely recall it being something like $100,000 for 4 ( which they knew would be below what he would get on the market). Once he hit FA, they did not bother. Don't know if they ever had a chance, and his experience with the medical staff and some Sox ( Youklis) was not exactly great. From everything I heard and can see, he is a smart kid, decent, and very level headed. Found it interesting to know that he and Dustin became good friends.
As for fan police, aren't you being one by "policing" those who don't think its cool to boo. Personally I find it annoying, cheap, and stupid. If changing for the Yankee stripes bother you, have have my sympathy. Fortunately, many fans were cool that night.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 23, 2014 9:46:33 GMT -5
"I'm interested to see which Webster shows up, The Human Eraser or the adopted wee person."
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 23, 2014 9:50:20 GMT -5
I was a huge Ellsbury guy.
I would have stood for the intro but I might have given it a half ass tongue in cheek boo for his first ab.
I don't think this is on the Ellsbury side.
I think it is on the sox. For whatever reason, this group never seemed interested in signing him.
As time passes, we will know what happened.
Outside of the obvious bargain like Petey, I don't know if they will extend anyone (or FA sign for that matter) at market.
The development engine is in place to have replacements from within.
To me, if things break reasonably well, you have a number of star potential players arriving in sets of two or three per year out for 3 to 4 years with no reason that it shouldn't be somewhat sustainable.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 23, 2014 9:57:15 GMT -5
Sox had previously offer Ellsbury a contract, which he declined. Don't know exact offer, but vaguely recall it being something like $100,000 for 4 ( which they knew would be below what he would get on the market). Once he hit FA, they did not bother. Don't know if they ever had a chance, and his experience with the medical staff and some Sox ( Youklis) was not exactly great. From everything I heard and can see, he is a smart kid, decent, and very level headed. Found it interesting to know that he and Dustin became good friends. As for fan police, aren't you being one by "policing" those who don't think its cool to boo. Personally I find it annoying, cheap, and stupid. If changing for the Yankee stripes bother you, have have my sympathy. Fortunately, many fans were cool that night. No, I think everyone should be allowed to have their own opinion on it. Cheering ellsbury makes a lot of sense. Whining about booing doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, it happens all the time in sports.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 9:58:31 GMT -5
Wilson is awful. AAA at best. Or he could close for the Astros. I thought so too. But apparently we haven't seen the new improved Wilson who scrapped his 4 seamer for a 2 seamer and is getting a ton more ground balls. More ground balls. Because our defense has been so good.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 10:15:32 GMT -5
The Sox FO since the new ownership took over has been pretty good at knowing when to let free agents walk. The genuine screw-ups, IMHO, were Damon and Beltre. I would also argue that Orlando Cabrera should've been a keeper on the 4 year $36M he ended up getting, but, on paper, the Renteria move looked like an upgrade.
I've believe they've made the right decision in letting virtually everyone else go - though I personally would've QO'd Salty - likely thwarting him getting a long term deal - and platooned him straight R/L with Ross this year.
I was a big "Keep Ellsbury" supporter and was on board for 5 years at $120M with a team option for a 6th. Obviously the Yankees blew that out of the water so, short of giving him stupid money, that one became a moot point. I do see this one as akin to the Damon loss, however, at least for the first 3-4 years of that contract. He gives them a legit lead-off hitter, a threat on the bases for the next 3-4 years, and plus defense as long as his legs stay healthy. Sure that was a so-so route to the ball he took last night, but he made the catch, like he almost always did for the last 6 years for the Sox. JBJ will be good, but to lose Ells, Salty vs. RHP, and Drew's D, and replace them the way they have, thus far it's created a significant comparative defensive deficit in two of the three up the middle positions (C & SS) while only improving the offense in one of them (SS). Long term this should pan out, but, overall, this team got worse defensively AND offensively in the short term.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2014 10:21:27 GMT -5
I'm so annoyed by the self-appointed fan police. Who gives a damn whether fans boo him? He's on the MFY. We'd boo the pope if he was wearing a Yankee jersey. Thats exactly what I'm saying. I saw a highlight this morning and the announcers were saying "the red sox didn't offer him a contract, what was he supposed to do, retire?" The announcers clearly didn't know the mariners offered him more money, or that there were several other bidders. Yeah ellsbury helped the Sox win but now he is literally doing the complete opposite of that. Its a game, and I doubt it bothers ellsbury people boo him. Its fun to boo and thats the way boston fans have always been with Yankee players. People should be allowed to have their own opinions on it without being scolded by the fan police as you accurately described them. Ellsbury is expected to not be surprised when he's booed. That's the only thing I expect anyway.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2014 10:24:58 GMT -5
I thought so too. But apparently we haven't seen the new improved Wilson who scrapped his 4 seamer for a 2 seamer and is getting a ton more ground balls. More ground balls. Because our defense has been so good. Unfortunately, there's no one to call up who strikes everyone out. Absent of that, ground balls do less damage usually.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2014 10:26:25 GMT -5
I was a huge Ellsbury guy. I would have stood for the intro but I might have given it a half ass tongue in cheek boo for his first ab. I don't think this is on the Ellsbury side. I think it is on the sox. For whatever reason, this group never seemed interested in signing him. As time passes, we will know what happened. Outside of the obvious bargain like Petey, I don't know if they will extend anyone (or FA sign for that matter) at market. The development engine is in place to have replacements from within. To me, if things break reasonably well, you have a number of star potential players arriving in sets of two or three per year out for 3 to 4 years with no reason that it shouldn't be somewhat sustainable. As time passes, we'll see how terrible the contract is. Cashman is such a genius in year 1 of all these contracts.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2014 10:32:02 GMT -5
@dan_Shaughnessy: Add Jacoby Ellsbury to Rushmore of Fan Stupidity after majority of #RedSox fans booed him bit.ly/1nosErY CraigC @craigc131 Follow @bglobesports @dan_Shaughnessy The difference between you and Ellsbury, Dan: If you went to NY, we would ALL cheer. 8:52 AM - 23 Apr 2014
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