Guidas
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Post by Guidas on Oct 6, 2012 22:40:27 GMT -5
Get Dave Martinez in there now and let. him do his power point or whatever and see what. his philosophy & approach would be. Seems nutty to waste this time right now.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 6, 2012 22:46:45 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo Red Sox source insists team has not yet begun managerial search two things why I doubt this A: BC said this week he wants this to take LESS time then the last one, so this contradicts the tweet B: sox could actually be trying to keep this under wraps for once in hopes of preventing leaks.
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 7, 2012 1:00:20 GMT -5
Their definition of managerial search likely means the interview process, which wouldn't be surprising to not have started yet given they are looking at guys currently employed by other teams
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 7, 2012 11:01:49 GMT -5
Martinez appears to have some skeletons in his closet which may have been part of the reason why he wasn't interviewed last year for manager openings. For example, there are many rumors that he slept with Sandberg's wife while they were teammates playing for the Cubs. Martinez was subsequently traded to the Expos.
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 7, 2012 11:08:03 GMT -5
there are many rumors that he slept with Sandberg's wife while they were teammates playing for the Cubs. Really, that's where this thread is going?
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Post by pedroiayouk1520 on Oct 7, 2012 11:49:32 GMT -5
Is there any chance that the Sox could get Farrell to take the pitching coach role? I know this would probably be unprecedented for a manager to take a step down, but maybe they could pay him manager $. It seems like there are no proven pitching coach options out there and we know Farrell works well with the pitchers on our staff. Again, I doubt something like this would happen, but if it did, it would be the perfect scenario because the Sox could go after someone like Alomar as Manager and maybe add some other young inexperienced guys to the coaching staff like Cora, Mueller, etc.
Any chance that this could happen?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2012 12:12:55 GMT -5
Is there any chance that the Sox could get Farrell to take the pitching coach role? I know this would probably be unprecedented for a manager to take a step down, but maybe they could pay him manager $. It seems like there are no proven pitching coach options out there and we know Farrell works well with the pitchers on our staff. Again, I doubt something like this would happen, but if it did, it would be the perfect scenario because the Sox could go after someone like Alomar as Manager and maybe add some other young inexperienced guys to the coaching staff like Cora, Mueller, etc. Any chance that this could happen? I'd say it's more than doubtful. What's the point? Farrell would get manager money? Do you think pitching coach is his ultimate goal? It would harm Farrell's ability to get a manager's job in the future, if he's not able to build up his manager's resume. In the baseball world, this would be a demotion, no matter how much $.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 7, 2012 14:25:35 GMT -5
I'm sure Ben Cherington is working over-time as I put these words down, but darn I want to hear he has asked for permission to talk with John Farrell. I'd like to see that possibility be answered QUICKLY!
Once we know the answer to Farrell, we can get interviews done on the next set of candidates. I want the next manager in place ASAP so we/him can hire the best darn coaching staff on the planet.......and Ben can focus on getting the Red Sox on that track of "success".
The last thing I want to see is the same snail's pace we had going last year.
By the way, I was on the Fenway Tour yesterday, and the guide had the audacity to NOT let me head to the basement offices and give a little advice to our GM!!
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 7, 2012 16:10:45 GMT -5
I'm sure Ben Cherington is working over-time as I put these words down, but darn I want to hear he has asked for permission to talk with John Farrell. I'd like to see that possibility be answered QUICKLY! Once we know the answer to Farrell, we can get interviews done on the next set of candidates. I want the next manager in place ASAP so we/him can hire the best darn coaching staff on the planet.......and Ben can focus on getting the Red Sox on that track of "success". The last thing I want to see is the same snail's pace we had going last year. By the way, I was on the Fenway Tour yesterday, and the guide had the audacity to NOT let me head to the basement offices and give a little advice to our GM!![/b] Well what's up with that?
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Post by remember04 on Oct 7, 2012 18:51:59 GMT -5
Is there any chance that the Sox could get Farrell to take the pitching coach role? I know this would probably be unprecedented for a manager to take a step down, but maybe they could pay him manager $. It seems like there are no proven pitching coach options out there and we know Farrell works well with the pitchers on our staff. Again, I doubt something like this would happen, but if it did, it would be the perfect scenario because the Sox could go after someone like Alomar as Manager and maybe add some other young inexperienced guys to the coaching staff like Cora, Mueller, etc. Any chance that this could happen? Tony Pena went from managing the Royals to whatever role he has/had with the Yankees so there's an example of a step back however usually you want the managers input with hiring the pitching coach so if he does actually do this I think it would be for the Indians and Francona again.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 7, 2012 21:58:16 GMT -5
Martinez appears to have some skeletons in his closet which may have been part of the reason why he wasn't interviewed last year for manager openings. For example, there are many rumors that he slept with Sandberg's wife while they were teammates playing for the Cubs. Martinez was subsequently traded to the Expos. If that's all they did was sleep, then what's the problem? I think Sandberg is being groomed for the Philly job to replace Charlie Manuel. And Martinez is still being mentioned for a manager's position on several teams.
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Post by elguapo on Oct 8, 2012 10:13:38 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Oct 8, 2012 11:24:34 GMT -5
Agree. I have doubts about him anyway. I'd be fine with someone like Asmus, Maddox or Martinez.
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Post by marti427 on Oct 8, 2012 12:52:16 GMT -5
I like Maddox but I wonder if he will stay put again, with the Rangers failures in the playoffs and world series the past few years I wonder if there is any pressure on Washington and Maddox may stay to have the chance to manage there very soon over leaving to manage right away
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 8, 2012 14:05:27 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo Red Sox source insists team has not yet begun managerial search ...and the earth is flat.
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 8, 2012 17:54:27 GMT -5
Abraham made a valid point today. It's not really up to Toronto if they want to let Farrell go, just like it wasn't really up to the Redsox to let Theo go. If one of the teams top coaching/front office guys says they want to leave, it's very unlikely, and probably not a great idea to keep that guy employed for your team if they don't seem to want to be there 100% and would rather be elsewhere. If Farrell wants to manage the Sox, and the Sox want him, it will happen
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Post by marrcus on Oct 8, 2012 20:57:39 GMT -5
top coaching/front office guys says they want to leave
To my knowledge Farrell hasn't said that yet.
He's showed respect for the Jays while indicating interest. But if this drags through the week he'll make clear --publicly--how he wants out. Whether Toronto is really playing hardball rather than just trying to temp' save face, it's tough to say?
I still expect he'll be here and I think the RS will give up something good.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 8, 2012 21:16:02 GMT -5
Why do people want Farrell? When has he done anything to show he is a good manager? If this front office gives up a valuable prospect for him they will be borderline negligent. Get nothing for a GM who won two words egress and give up a good package for a manager that as done nothing? People are obsessed with Farrell for no reason. Toronto has under achieved and their own players think the coaching staff is disorganized and don't hold players accountable.
I'd be hesitant to hire him minus compensation. No chance I'm on board with giving anything up. I'm at a complete loss as to why he's a talking point other than some reporters are being dumb due to the "Boston" connection. Lets just hope the front office isn't obsessed with him too.
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Post by 11mikem on Oct 8, 2012 21:25:11 GMT -5
The Red Sox seem to be fixated on this losing ex-pitching coach and are apparently willing to give up prospects to get him. Keury de la Cruz and Drake Britton are mentioned as possibilities in the Globe. There's nothing in John Farrell that seems worth giving up ANYTHING to get him. What a waste.
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 8, 2012 21:58:53 GMT -5
There not going to give up a big prospect. The same stuff was floated about Theo for weeks and we see what ended up happening. First the media was fixated on Castro, then other MLB talent, then top prospects, and eventually it became a middling pitching prospect
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Post by jmei on Oct 8, 2012 21:59:41 GMT -5
Don't believe the hype-- I'd be very surprised if the front office traded an impact prospect (read: a player in the SP.com top 20) for Farrell. The Globe in particular is clueless about prospects, as are most media outlets. If they only give up a player like Jeremy Hazelbaker or Chris Carpenter, does it really matter?
Moreover, the media is just writing about Farrell because he's a familiar name and the only semi-confirmed candidate to date. The local media outlets have to fill out space until free agency begins, and this is basically the only Red Sox story available.
That said, Farrell is seen as a desirable target because he has the respect and admiration of Lester and Buchholz, who are the two most important players on the roster going into 2013. Other clubhouse leaders like Ortiz and Pedroia are also probably fans of Farrell; he was very popular when he was the pitching coach here. Moreover, the FO has extensive experience with him and are presumably fans of his style, which makes him an easy initial candidate. His initial stint at manager in Toronto hasn't gone well, but neither did Tito's, or Doc Rivers' in Boston, or Bill Belichick's in Cleveland-- a mediocre first year (one plagued by injuries and poor performance) shouldn't disqualify him.
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Post by marrcus on Oct 9, 2012 1:33:29 GMT -5
admiration of Lester and Buchholz,
I'm thinking more of Bard. If Farrell can bring him out of the desert and back to '11 form...
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 9, 2012 7:00:44 GMT -5
Don't believe the hype-- I'd be very surprised if the front office traded an impact prospect (read: a player in the SP.com top 20) for Farrell. The Globe in particular is clueless about prospects, as are most media outlets. If they only give up a player like Jeremy Hazelbaker or Chris Carpenter, does it really matter? I definitely like John Farrell for one big reason.....he would offer some stability. We definitely need some of "that" after this year. Don't dismiss the importance of comfort for these players. The comings and goings of this year HAD to screw with their FOCUS. If, as jmei mentioned above, all it will take is someone like Hazelbaker, do it and get it finished!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 9, 2012 11:02:46 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly, Alex Speier has the most thoughtful treatment of the Farrell comp question. Rather than look at the BA ranks of the two prospects Miami sent to Chicago for Guillen, right-hander Jhan Marinez and infielder Osvaldo Martinez (they were #4 and #5, respectively in Miami's system, 6 and 9 in Chicago's), he looks at what they actually are, a potential setup man and a utility player. I sincerely doubt either would have been a top 20 prospect in Boston's system - both the Marlins and White Sox systems absolutely stunk as of last offseason, ranked #28 and #30 by BA. Would you trade Ivan De Jesus and Josh Fields for Farrell? fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2012/10/08/what-does-precedent-say-about-the-cost-to-the-red-sox-of-landing-john-farrell/
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 9, 2012 11:08:33 GMT -5
Done & done!...None of this De Rosa or Britton stuff...and let's make it happen soon so that we can get on with the job of re-furbishing the car.
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