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Post by burythehammer on Oct 9, 2012 12:42:03 GMT -5
I would rather trade nobody, hire one of the qualified, readily available candidates, and forget about making another "splash" managerial move.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 9, 2012 13:12:39 GMT -5
The Red Sox will start their search for a new manager in earnest in the next few days, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney writes. Boston will start by asking the Blue Jays for permission to speak with John Farrell, Olney reports. Ausmus could be a candidate in Boston, too.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 9, 2012 17:09:42 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe #RedSox GM Ben Cherington offered "no comment" when asked if he had requested permission to interview any candidates from other teams.
They are doing something.....
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Post by benfromma on Oct 9, 2012 18:12:00 GMT -5
John Farrell is a good candidate for our manager, but the with the price we will have to pay he better be great.
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Post by dcb26 on Oct 9, 2012 18:43:58 GMT -5
The thing with Farrell and compensation is, it's true there are other guys who could turn out to be the "right" manager at this point, but even if there are other equally capable candidates out there, if the Sox are sold that Farrell is a "right" manager, even if he's not the only "right" manager, then giving up some compensation is worth it.
My opinion changes if we are suddenly talking top prospects, but I think it's worth giving up a little bit to be certain they're getting the guy they think is in the best position to succeed, rather than picking up someone else free of compensation cost and hoping they're just as capable of that success.
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Post by jdb on Oct 10, 2012 12:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 10, 2012 13:06:09 GMT -5
Interview(s)= not focused of JF IMO
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Post by mjammz on Oct 10, 2012 15:24:14 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 10, 2012 18:36:50 GMT -5
RT @dylanohernandez: Source: #Dodgers have granted 3B coach Tim Wallach permission to interview for #RedSox managerial position.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 10, 2012 19:54:06 GMT -5
Does that mean John Farrell is no longer in the picture? If he were the Sox first choice, and they approached the Jays about him, a deal should have been worked out by now.
This leads me to believe that Lucchino & Co. have discussed compensation and couldn't agree. Otherwise why the search?
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Post by marrcus on Oct 10, 2012 20:12:57 GMT -5
mean John Farrell is no longer in the picture?" ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hell no. The RS are playing games just like Jays. I'm convinced the FO feels he's the key to a revival of the staff.
Toronto is a nutty media town, mostly concerning the Leafs but egos are easily bruised up there. Jays FO doesn't want to look like they are being pushed around.
If someone comes in and blows Larry away with a great interview then maybe Farrell will be disappointed (ultimately). But I think he's the favorite and will be until the Jays make things impossible.
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Post by Pete Morrison on Oct 10, 2012 21:01:33 GMT -5
If you are the Red Sox and you want Farrell, you ask permission and interview him last. You use the earlier interviews with other candidates to 1) double check and make sure no one blows you away more than Farrell and 2) have helpful press stories about how impressive and how much you like other candidates to use as leverage with Toronto in compensation negotiations.
I fear that the Red Sox FO has talked themselves into Farrell being the next great manager before he took the Toronto job and that idea is still permeating Yawkey Way.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 10, 2012 21:13:22 GMT -5
If you are the Red Sox and you want Farrell, you ask permission and interview him last. You use the earlier interviews with other candidates to 1) double check and make sure no one blows you away more than Farrell and 2) have helpful press stories about how impressive and how much you like other candidates to use as leverage with Toronto in compensation negotiations. I fear that the Red Sox FO has talked themselves into Farrell being the next great manager before he took the Toronto job and that idea is still permeating Yawkey Way. or this JF thing is smoke.... and nothing more.... LL said that BL managing experience was NOT a priority this time around
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Post by Guidas on Oct 10, 2012 21:53:28 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why they think Farrell is the solution. He didn't seem to transform Toronto like say Showalter refocused Balt. I'm still standing by my contention that he's not worth a player who will see a minute of MLB roster time, and if they give up anything more than that for him this front office is just as lost as they were last off-season.
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Post by jioh on Oct 11, 2012 5:34:05 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why they think Farrell is the solution. He didn't seem to transform Toronto like say Showalter refocused Balt. I'm still standing by my contention that he's not worth a player who will see a minute of MLB roster time, and if they give up anything more than that for him this front office is just as lost as they were last off-season. I worry that the interest in Farrell is just an overreaction to the Bobby V disaster. They didn't know Booby V but he's mildly clever and probably does well in a job interview by tamping down his more squirrelly and snakish qualities. Farrell is a guy they feel they know from his time here. That's good but maybe not enough.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 11, 2012 9:28:44 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo Brad Ausmus interviewing with Red Sox for manager job early next week according to major league source
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Post by elguapo on Oct 11, 2012 9:39:24 GMT -5
Ausmus is the type that I could see going straight to MLB manager - smart, strong knowledge of both sides of the ball. But I still think that's the exception and managing in the minors, coaching, etc is very helpful.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 11, 2012 10:33:09 GMT -5
Ausmus might also be a great bench coach for Wallach - although not sure he'd be up for that after not being selected as the manager.
I think they're serious about Tim Wallach. I'd be ok with him or Ausmus.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 11, 2012 11:01:51 GMT -5
Ausmus might also be a great bench coach for Wallach - although not sure he'd be up for that after not being selected as the manager. I think they're serious about Tim Wallach. I'd be ok with him or Ausmus. Actually I would also. Ausmus sort of intrigues me. A catcher always has a unique perspective of the game. He understands what the pitcher thinks, he has a good idea of what a batter is going through, and placement of positional players has always been important for him. And it helps a little that he is from the northeast. As a guy who has interest in Farrell, if he doesn't come out real SOON (like this week) about where he wants to be.....I'd say forget him. This, managerial search, needs to be handled sooner rather than later. We need to get going on the other stuff!!!
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 11, 2012 11:29:52 GMT -5
Here's hoping that the Red Sox hire someone like Wallach or Asmus within the next two weeks which should allow them enough time to pick a qualified pitching coach (we didn't have one last year) and whatever other coaches will be needed to fill out their staff. rather than dragging the process out during which time most qualified coaches will have accepted other positions.
As others have stated, there is a lot to be done this offseason and Ben and the rest of the baseball operations stuff need to focus trades, free agent signings, etc.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 11, 2012 13:05:27 GMT -5
The Boston Red Sox will begin their managerial interview process on Friday by talking to Los Angeles Dodgers third-base coach Tim Wallach, according to a league source. Next in line will be San Diego Padres special assistant Brad Ausmus, who will interview next week, the source said. The longtime catcher interviewed for the Houston Astros' managerial vacancy but later withdrew from the process. The Red Sox, according to a team source, are looking for someone with big-league managerial, coaching or playing experience, which is why Triple-A manager Arnie Beyeler will not be considered for the position. Beyeler, who just led Pawtucket to the International League championship but has no major league experience, will be retained by the Sox, the source said. Blue Jays manager John Farrell is still "at the top of the list" of candidates, a team source said, but the former Red Sox pitching coach has not heard whether the Red Sox have approached the Blue Jays about speaking with him, according to a league source said. The 43-year-old Ausmus was a catcher in the majors for 18 seasons and has been a special assistant to the Padres since 2010. espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/23307/source-wallach-first-then-ausmus
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 11, 2012 13:49:58 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe #RedSox will not be making their mgr. candidates available to the media this time around.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 11, 2012 14:52:12 GMT -5
Maybe they strongly recommend Beyeler to the new manager for a job with the big league team this year ... overall, I'm happy with the way this is going so far. Seems like a solid list of candidates. I personally don't have any idea who will be a good choice out of this bunch (outside of the obviously terrible choices like Bobby V, it's impossible for me to know), but they seem like solid, smart baseball guys.
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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 11, 2012 17:32:16 GMT -5
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Post by brisox on Oct 12, 2012 8:38:09 GMT -5
Yesterday at 9:28am, grandsalami wrote: Nick Cafardo þ@nickcafardo Brad Ausmus interviewing with Red Sox for manager job early next week according to major league source Terrific interview with Ausmus on NPR from a little over a year ago. www.npr.org/2011/08/18/139649031/....tcher-tells-allRead more: forum.soxprospects.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=post&thread=184&page=8#ixzz295jvjYPnThis is the kind of man we need at the helm. A true Baseball guy with the mind of a pitcher. This quote is how I explain to my friends why Baseball isn't boring "[I'm thinking] what's the score, what inning are we in, how many outs, what's this hitter's weakness, what's this pitcher's strengths, who's on deck, who could pinch hit, who is up after the hitter on deck — and you kind of go through all of these things in an instant," says Ausmus. "And then you make a decision and put down the next signal. [You're also thinking] how did we get this guy out last time, what pitches did he see, what pitches did we just throw — so there's about 10 to a dozen things that you go through in your mind before you put that signal down."
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