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2014-15 offseason discussion
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Post by youngbillrussell on Nov 22, 2014 11:14:18 GMT -5
Exactly plus at some point if you think Swihart is ready during the season, then ross moves over as a bench coach type of position for the rest of the year. While holding down a roster spot as the third catcher? No. Put him on the 60 day DL and keep him around, a voice like Ross can come in handy with young catchers.
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Post by bighead on Nov 22, 2014 12:02:27 GMT -5
Salami, This post makes me think that you either follow @redsoxstats or you are @redsoxstats : That is all...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 22, 2014 15:30:37 GMT -5
Salami, This post makes me think that you either follow @redsoxstats or you are @redsoxstats : That is all... Don't know if he is @redsoxstats or not, but Salami, with his other handle, is also the news beacon of SOSH, just like he is here.
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Post by joshv02 on Nov 22, 2014 15:43:19 GMT -5
Redsoxstats is soxscout
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 22, 2014 16:05:57 GMT -5
While holding down a roster spot as the third catcher? No. Put him on the 60 day DL and keep him around, a voice like Ross can come in handy with young catchers. I'd prefer, as philsbosoxfan says, to make him a coach. At 38, with declining BA, he's best suited as a coach. But I have a better idea, make Varitek the coach instead of roving catching coach. Or see if Gary, whatever his last name is, former BoSox bullpen coach, now with the Yankees, is available. Edit: Tuck, that's the name, Gary Tuck. He has a great reputation as a catchers coach.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 22, 2014 17:34:28 GMT -5
Maybe, but Soxhop411 I believe is his SOSH handle. Either way when I see him post I anticipate a link.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 22, 2014 18:25:30 GMT -5
Not that it matters but redsoxstats is definitely soxfanatic
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 22, 2014 18:32:05 GMT -5
Not that it matters but redsoxstats is definitely soxfanaticNo he is sox scout
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 22, 2014 18:46:52 GMT -5
No. Put him on the 60 day DL and keep him around, a voice like Ross can come in handy with young catchers. I'd prefer, as philsbosoxfan says, to make him a coach. At 38, with declining BA, he's best suited as a coach. But I have a better idea, make Varitek the coach instead of roving catching coach. Or see if Gary, whatever his last name is, former BoSox bullpen coach, now with the Yankees, is available. Edit: Tuck, that's the name, Gary Tuck. He has a great reputation as a catchers coach. David Ross may not prefer that, though. He wants to keep playing (apparently) and I'd bet he'll get that opportunity with someone. So, if you want him mentoring CVaz, we better make him an offer. Doesn't mean we can't consider other options midyear which would include Ross becoming a coach, but I think that would be unprecedented. Everyone seems ready to get Swihart to Boston midyear. He's still young for a catcher, and while not ruling it out, I think he'll be just as well served spending the whole year in AAA. He could probably be useful midyear or for a September callup. But if his development goes similar to last year, a full year in AAA to get more AB's, work on his patience/plate discipline, and mature behind the plate as a game manager and leader. If Ross is the backup to CVaz, we may very well need him if he's doing well (Butler, if not). If they get Castro/Avila/Soto as the backup, I think he'll be just fine in AAA all year, or at least until September. And he should be good to go in 2016.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 22, 2014 19:05:18 GMT -5
Not that it matters but redsoxstats is definitely soxfanaticNo he is sox scout You are rocking my world here man...
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 22, 2014 19:35:19 GMT -5
Not that it matters but redsoxstats is definitely soxfanaticI wish. I'm probably the biggest Red Sox fan in Europe though lol.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 22, 2014 19:52:33 GMT -5
That's good enough for me man.
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Post by rafael on Nov 22, 2014 23:11:56 GMT -5
Not that it matters but redsoxstats is definitely soxfanaticI wish. I'm probably the biggest Red Sox fan in Europe though lol. And I thought I was the only Red Sox fan in Europe
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 22, 2014 23:17:57 GMT -5
While holding down a roster spot as the third catcher? No. Put him on the 60 day DL and keep him around, a voice like Ross can come in handy with young catchers. So, he will hold down a roster spot. What if he's not injured? Are you going to cook up a disability malady to place him on the 60 day? Don't you need medical evidence? I'm not naive enough to believe this does not occur, but it's not a good way to do business. The Sox can find a better way to give Vasquez, and, later, Swihart, the counseling they need to develop as ML catchers.
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Post by jmei on Nov 23, 2014 11:58:53 GMT -5
No. Put him on the 60 day DL and keep him around, a voice like Ross can come in handy with young catchers. So, he will hold down a roster spot. What if he's not injured? Are you going to cook up a disability malady to place him on the 60 day? Don't you need medical evidence? I'm not naive enough to believe this does not occur, but it's not a good way to do business. The Sox can find a better way to give Vasquez, and, later, Swihart, the counseling they need to develop as ML catchers. I've discussed this before, but David Ross, even with his molasses-slow bat and his durability issues, is still legitimately one of the better backup catcher options on the market. Ross takes walks, has some good pop (especially versus LHP), and is still an elite defender who blocks pitches, throws out baserunners at an above-average clip, and is one of the better framers in the league. If I sign him, it's more for the on-the-field contributions than for his value as a mentor. The only concern with Ross is that between his age and his concussion issues, he's liable to just fall off a cliff at any moment. You might want more of a low-risk guy backing up a rookie.
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Post by deepjohn on Nov 23, 2014 12:52:36 GMT -5
Hanley Ramirez to the sox. Workout out details. [Not confirmed by club]
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 23, 2014 12:59:12 GMT -5
That is definitely a troll job.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 23, 2014 13:12:04 GMT -5
That is definitely a troll job. I hope it's not (but it totally is).
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Post by deepjohn on Nov 23, 2014 13:16:51 GMT -5
That is definitely a troll job. I hope it's not (but it totally is). Looking into it and the original source is the guy who scooped the media on the Stanton deal a couple days ago. twitter.com/DfineNrmLC
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Post by jmei on Nov 23, 2014 13:25:19 GMT -5
I am skeptical but not entirely dismissive. In this age, where all you need is one source and a twitter account to break a story, every once in a while, one of these is legit.
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Post by jmei on Nov 23, 2014 17:44:50 GMT -5
Let's keep the Hanley discussion to the other thread to avoid splitting it up. Thanks.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 23, 2014 18:18:57 GMT -5
So, he will hold down a roster spot. What if he's not injured? Are you going to cook up a disability malady to place him on the 60 day? Don't you need medical evidence? I'm not naive enough to believe this does not occur, but it's not a good way to do business. The Sox can find a better way to give Vasquez, and, later, Swihart, the counseling they need to develop as ML catchers. I've discussed this before, but David Ross, even with his molasses-slow bat and his durability issues, is still legitimately one of the better backup catcher options on the market. Ross takes walks, has some good pop (especially versus LHP), and is still an elite defender who blocks pitches, throws out baserunners at an above-average clip, and is one of the better framers in the league. If I sign him, it's more for the on-the-field contributions than for his value as a mentor. The only concern with Ross is that between his age and his concussion issues, he's liable to just fall off a cliff at any moment. You might want more of a low-risk guy backing up a rookie. By every metric, Ross has declined dramatically in the last five years offensively: ave. obp slg 2010 .289 392 479 2011 .263 333 428 2012 .256 321 449 2013 .216 298 382 2014 .184 260 368 In his last year with the Red Sox he threw out only 22% of runners (32 SB vs. 9cs) He is a good pitch framer and a good guy to have around the clubhouse, but he does't warrant a roster spot.
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Post by jmei on Nov 23, 2014 18:35:26 GMT -5
The league-average CS% was 27%, and Ross is coming off two 40%+ seasons. Just because he's declining doesn't mean he isn't rosterable. Steamer projects half a win in 150 PAs, which is pretty solid for a backup catcher, and that doesn't take into account framing and intangibles.
Perhaps more importantly, there really aren't any other great backup options. Looking at the list of FA catchers, the only guys who are even in the conversation are Hundley and Soto, and those guys will be (a) more expensive and (b) looking for a starting spot.
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 23, 2014 18:47:19 GMT -5
I've discussed this before, but David Ross, even with his molasses-slow bat and his durability issues, is still legitimately one of the better backup catcher options on the market. Ross takes walks, has some good pop (especially versus LHP), and is still an elite defender who blocks pitches, throws out baserunners at an above-average clip, and is one of the better framers in the league. If I sign him, it's more for the on-the-field contributions than for his value as a mentor. The only concern with Ross is that between his age and his concussion issues, he's liable to just fall off a cliff at any moment. You might want more of a low-risk guy backing up a rookie. By every metric, Ross has declined dramatically in the last five years offensively: ave. obp slg 2010 .289 392 479 2011 .263 333 428 2012 .256 321 449 2013 .216 298 382 2014 .184 260 368 In his last year with the Red Sox he threw out only 22% of runners (32 SB vs. 9cs) He is a good pitch framer and a good guy to have around the clubhouse, but he does't warrant a roster spot. Do you realize how fantastic those 2010-12 numbers were for a backup catcher? Sure, it'd be nice if Ross could get his OBP back up closer to .300, but the average MLB catcher hit .244/.309/.379 in 2014. As a strict backup, another 75-85 OPS+ season is just fine with me. While you run the risk of him completely breaking down, I don't feel all that worried, especially with Butler sticking around and the impending emergence of Swihart.
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Post by buffs4444 on Nov 23, 2014 18:57:12 GMT -5
Should be a damn good lineup. And why not. Ortiz will decline at some point; I figured last year but potentially this year. If they add 1 impact bat and Ortiz drops off, they're right back where they were last year (unless you're optimistic on X like I am). But if you have this lineup, you're young with a lot of room to improve and also absorb time catching up with David. - RF: Betts
- 2B: Pedroia
- DH: Ortiz
- LF: Ramirez
- 3B: Sandoval
- 1B: Napoli
- SS: Bogaerts
- CF: Castillo
- C: Vazquez / Swihart / Ross
By the end of the year, probably closer to: Betts-Castillo-Ramirez-Bogaerts-Pedroia-Sandoval-Craig-WMB-Vazquez. Cespedes goes in a deal for a young, cheap #2 starter, such as the Mets for Wheeler. The rotation is young, but if it comes together, could be damn good. If it doesn't, there's enough money coming off next year to fill the open spot with a #1 (Price) or #2/3-type (Porcello / Fister / etc) - Lester
- Buchholz
- Wheeler
- Kelly
- Webster / De La Rosa
- Minors: Owens / Rodriguez / Barnes
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