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Post by burythehammer on Nov 1, 2012 10:41:33 GMT -5
seadogsradio.mlblogs.com/It's nice to hear Hazen talk now that he's been promoted and is actually allowed to give non-boiler plate answers.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 1, 2012 18:35:51 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe Cherington mentioned on WEEI the need to add to the rotation "externally" while protecting pitching prospects
Alex Speier @alexspeier Cherington said on WEEI that Sox want to add externally (trade or free agent) to rotation while protecting pitching prospects.
Pete Abraham @peteabe Cherington also said the bullpen is a strength. Said the team can be selective. Not said but implied: Not looking for a closer
Alex Speier @alexspeier Cherington says Sox 'would not rule out' adding relievers, but team can be selective due to what it has internally and in Triple-A
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 2, 2012 15:31:38 GMT -5
According to T.R. Sullivan of mlb.com, the Texas Rangers have declined to offer a contract to Mike Napoli thereby making him a free agent without compensation.
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Post by jmei on Nov 2, 2012 15:34:44 GMT -5
This is great news. Napoli could either be a prime candidate for a Beltre-esque pillow contract in Boston or a multi-year deal at a reasonable price, either of which I would be all for.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 2, 2012 16:43:50 GMT -5
Joe McDonald @espnjoeymac Red Sox officially make qualifying offer to Ortiz. Source says sides are "very close" to a deal.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 2, 2012 18:10:08 GMT -5
Rob Bradford @bradfo According to source familiar with the negotiations, once finalized Ortiz deal will be for two years for at least $26 million
Rob Bradford @bradfo With incentives, Ortiz deal could get up to $30 million over two years
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Post by benfromma on Nov 2, 2012 18:19:26 GMT -5
I will be happy to have the Ortiz signing out of the way, so that we can really rebuild our team. Our 37 year old DH will not be here when we again challenge for the championship I just hope he does not get in the way.
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Post by mjammz on Nov 2, 2012 18:43:58 GMT -5
Looks like Haren is on his way to the Cubs for Carlos Marmol... another missed opportunity by Ben Cherington.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 2, 2012 18:50:35 GMT -5
Looks like Haren is on his way to the Cubs for Carlos Marmol... another missed opportunity by Ben Cherington. Or the Angels like Marmol more than whatever the Red Sox were offering? I mean, the Red Sox don't have an equivalent piece, and the Angles are a current world series contender, so doing it for a package of prospects might not have been of interest to them.
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Post by remember04 on Nov 2, 2012 19:06:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't want Haren at equal to or greater than value of Marmol.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Nov 2, 2012 19:08:26 GMT -5
Looks like Haren is on his way to the Cubs for Carlos Marmol... another missed opportunity by Ben Cherington. Or the Angels like Marmol more than whatever the Red Sox were offering? I mean, the Red Sox don't have an equivalent piece, and the Angles are a current world series contender, so doing it for a package of prospects might not have been of interest to them. Marmol had negative trade value, I think he's owed ~$10m (without looking) and while he strikes people out he kinda sucks now. I know they shopped him heavily last year and were reportedly willing to kick in money, I just don't see that as a crazy valuable piece. There must be money going to the Angels.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 2, 2012 19:14:01 GMT -5
It looks like Cherington is holding his cards close to his vest. He could have easily eclpsed the offer the Cubs made. But that may have involved relinquishing valuable prospects.
He must feel that a rehabilitated Lackey who throws 95 is better than the risk of an established starter with a back problem.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 2, 2012 19:17:58 GMT -5
Looks like Haren is on his way to the Cubs for Carlos Marmol... another missed opportunity by Ben Cherington. Or the Angels like Marmol more than whatever the Red Sox were offering? I mean, the Red Sox don't have an equivalent piece, and the Angles are a current world series contender, so doing it for a package of prospects might not have been of interest to them. Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo Angels coveted bard but not sure that's who they asked for in return for haren. Haren expected to go to cubs for marmol.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 2, 2012 19:19:45 GMT -5
Salaries are likely to even out in the deal with Haren/Marmol. I don't think the Redsox were willing to just eat the $13M from the Angels, even though they clearly have $ to play with. They appear to feel they'd rather take a shot at one of the better pitchers available than a guy coming off by far the worst season of his career and is also on the wrong side of 30
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 2, 2012 19:38:18 GMT -5
Looks like Haren is on his way to the Cubs for Carlos Marmol... another missed opportunity by Ben Cherington. Or the Angels like Marmol more than whatever the Red Sox were offering? I mean, the Red Sox don't have an equivalent piece, and the Angles are a current world series contender, so doing it for a package of prospects might not have been of interest to them. I don't get it either. Great move Theo. Marmol was a major headache to the Cubs walking the ballpark. Now Theo at worst gets a valuable starter that he can deal if need be or let walk at the end of the year and get a draft pick for. Too bad for the Sox.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Nov 2, 2012 19:51:49 GMT -5
Admittedly I don't know Haren's medical status, but this is disappointing for the reported return. He had been a borderline ace for the past 5 seasons before 2012, and only required a one year commitment. The loss of velocity is obviously a big concern, but without the back and velocity concerns this guy just isn't on the market.
The fact that his stock fell so much in just one year points to the volatility of pitching. Haren's main appeal was his upside mixed with just a one year commitment. If he recovered from his injury he'd be either a key part to a contending Red Sox team or a valuable trade deadline piece. Even last year he was league average and made 30 starts, and he actually pitched better down the stretch. This season should be the time to make value plays with low risk, and even if he flamed out it was just a one year deal. Since they don't want to trade significant prospects for a legit pitcher, they'll have to sign someone, and anyone better than Haren is likely to be paid nearly as much or more annually over a multi-year pact, which is much more risky than hoping his back holds up for one season. I'm disappointed, especially if the plan is to sign another flawed/injured non-elite pitcher and hope for the best.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 2, 2012 20:01:30 GMT -5
Hold that thought!
Alden Gonzalez of mlb.com (via twitter) is now reporting that the Haren-Marmol trade has not been completed and that the Angels are still talking with other teams.
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Post by templeusox on Nov 2, 2012 20:01:40 GMT -5
Seems like qualifying offers are making a huge difference when compared to offering arbitration.
I would like, no I would love Angel Pagan at 3/$36 million. Dude's one of the best pure baserunners I've ever seen, he's a versatile defender, and a competent offensive player. Trade Ellsbury for equal value, so like Ryan Hanigan or something and clear a spot for Pagan.
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Post by mjammz on Nov 2, 2012 20:30:43 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal Haren-for-Marmol NOT done. #Angels continue to talk to other clubs. #Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his no-trade and whether he would MORE
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal agree to trade to #Angels. Again, no deal with #Cubs is complete. Possible, but not complete.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Nov 2, 2012 21:21:03 GMT -5
Pleased that the deal with Ortiz is done. $13M per is (my opinion) a bit of an overpay when factoring in two years, but a premium in my opinion that is worth paying.
I'd rather a contractual commitment of 2yrs and $13M to an elite talent hitter that is past his prime but has proven to handle Boston than something like the 6yrs and $20M per (at least) it will probably cost to get a guy like Hamilton (an elite talent hitter with as many, if not more question marks than Ortiz).
On the Haren trade, it is too bad that the Sox didn't have the pieces in place to organize this trade. However, it's not like I think something along the lines of Vitek and Pimentel (or whatever we might have been willing to deal for Haren) would have gotten it done. That said, Haren is exactly the type of player (age, talent level, contract status) that the Sox should look in to and make a run at every single time.
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Post by mjammz on Nov 2, 2012 21:28:59 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal Source: Marmol would have OK'ed trade to #Angels, but #Cubs pulled deal off table and trade is not happening. Angels talking to other clubs.
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Post by longgone24 on Nov 2, 2012 21:44:37 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal Source: Marmol would have OK'ed trade to #Angels, but #Cubs pulled deal off table and trade is not happening. Angels talking to other clubs.
It has to be about the money going back for Theo. I can't imagine that he could possibly have an issue with Marmol for Haren straight up...
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 2, 2012 21:46:05 GMT -5
Well it looks like the Haren deal fell apart pretty quickly. If Marmol would have gotten it done, I don't think anyone in the top 10 prospects is on the table for him, more so a guy like Bard or someone else that can help them right away
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Post by jmei on Nov 2, 2012 22:10:08 GMT -5
At the top of the list of players I would offer for Haren: Alfredo Aceves Other players on that list: any right-handed reliever in the system not named Bailey, Tazawa, or Bard (Melancon is the one other name I might hesitate on).
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 2, 2012 22:11:14 GMT -5
BC time to hop in and get a deal for Haren done.
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