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Post by danr on Jun 24, 2014 15:40:29 GMT -5
It is a sure sign that people are giving on the Sox when there are only two pages of postings on a game series at this point!
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 24, 2014 15:58:13 GMT -5
Games also are starting at 10 EST, so most people on the East coast aren't actively posting.
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Post by danr on Jun 24, 2014 16:03:25 GMT -5
I forgot about that. I'm on the West Coast. Got to watch, for as long as could stand it, last night's game via the Seattle broadcast that is on Dish here in Portland. The Sox look terrible, but then on a night like last night, almost any team does.
I think Lackey either has lost one or two MPH from his fastball, or he just couldn't dial it up last night. I recall seeing him pitch earlier in the season and I think he was throwing a bit harder then.
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Post by jmei on Jun 24, 2014 16:12:01 GMT -5
I think Lackey either has lost one or two MPH from his fastball, or he just couldn't dial it up last night. I recall seeing him pitch earlier in the season and I think he was throwing a bit harder then. I don't know that that's the case. According to Pitch F/X data, Lackey's average fastball was actually faster last night than it has been most of the season.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 24, 2014 16:28:34 GMT -5
I ask this because I really don't know, but for a pitcher would time in the majors really be that much more valuable than in AAA, for someone like Workman and DLR who have already played in Majors in a couple different roles? I think that at this point, the "feedback" from MLB hitters is more useful to these guys, though your point about the ability of a motivated pitcher to work on pitches in any environment stands. I am more concerned about the Sox getting these guys kinda entrenched, where they have the confidence of pitching in the bigs, and the Sox can properly evaluate (well, a little bit at least) what they'll get from Workman and DLR in 2015. Plus, I think that's the best way to win in 2014 if recent results are any guide. Both guys are basically in their peak years, and may never be better than this. Why not pitch them now!
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Post by danr on Jun 24, 2014 16:29:08 GMT -5
That is a cool site. I have not seen it previously. Well, my observation was based mostly on the inning in which he blew up. I don't recall him throwing any pitches that inning as fast as 94, but I could have missed one or two. The speed display does not show well on the Dish HD image, which actually shows less of the image than the regular picture does. When Ackley had that long at bat against him, I think the fastest pitch he threw was either 92 or 93 - and he might have gotten Ackley out if he could have gotten one up to 95 or so. He was losing a lot of energy to frustration at that point.
I could swear that I saw a game earlier when he did hit 94 and maybe even 95, but those stats don't show that. That is a site I will look at again. Thanks.
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Post by jmei on Jun 24, 2014 16:45:03 GMT -5
That is a cool site. I have not seen it previously. Well, my observation was based mostly on the inning in which he blew up. I don't recall him throwing any pitches that inning as fast as 94, but I could have missed one or two. The speed display does not show well on the Dish HD image, which actually shows less of the image than the regular picture does. When Ackley had that long at bat against him, I think the fastest pitch he threw was either 92 or 93 - and he might have gotten Ackley out if he could have gotten one up to 95 or so. He was losing a lot of energy to frustration at that point. I could swear that I saw a game earlier when he did hit 94 and maybe even 95, but those stats don't show that. That is a site I will look at again. Thanks. You're right on this one-- Lackey's velocity noticeably dropped as the game went on. Here's his velo chart from last night, per Brooks Baseball:
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 24, 2014 17:08:37 GMT -5
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 49 sec. Red Sox v. Ramirez: Holt RF, Pedroia 2B, Ortiz DH, Napoli 1B, Nava LF, Pierzynski C, Bogaerts 3B, Drew SS, Bradley Jr. CF, Peavy
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Post by jmei on Jun 24, 2014 18:48:50 GMT -5
Bogaerts batting seventh (versus RHP, at least) is probably a good idea until he starts breaking out of this slump.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jun 24, 2014 19:02:51 GMT -5
Doubront to the pen, Workman keeps his spot at least for one start
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 24, 2014 19:32:18 GMT -5
Rob Bradford @bradfo13 min 23 sec ago Doubront to bullpen 4 games in Seattle and New York before getting start against Cubs Rob Bradford @bradfo14 min 48 sec ago Workman to start Friday in New York
Srsly? Are we going to a 7-man rotation now?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2014 20:25:21 GMT -5
Like I said, it was a move they made to a scuffling team to try to improve the offense. It's not working out, but that doesn't necessary mean it was a bad decision at the time. There is to much criticism of it if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, everything should be examined, but chalking up the typical ebbs and flows of baseball to the complete evaluation of management is a mistake. It's only been a month since the signing, and Drew spent some time in the minors. The people who never wanted him can say it was a bad decision at the time and not be using hindsight. And they'd be right.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 24, 2014 20:31:14 GMT -5
Like I said, it was a move they made to a scuffling team to try to improve the offense. It's not working out, but that doesn't necessary mean it was a bad decision at the time. There is to much criticism of it if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, everything should be examined, but chalking up the typical ebbs and flows of baseball to the complete evaluation of management is a mistake. It's only been a month since the signing, and Drew spent some time in the minors. The people who never wanted him can say it was a bad decision at the time and not be using hindsight. And they'd be right. Look on the brightside, it is only a bad deal in the short run and Drew will be useful if the goal of the team is to tank. Unfortunately I dont even know if he has much trade value anymore. On the other hand, hopefully displacing Xander doesnt drive a wedge between him and Sox management as some suggested.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 24, 2014 20:38:05 GMT -5
At the game last night, and tonight also. Bogaerts timing is off right now. A lot of hitting off the front foot. Bradley hitting behind the ball, late. Of course both those could just be Hernandez. And something happened to Lackey I think.
Coming to you from the great northwest
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Post by jmei on Jun 24, 2014 20:56:52 GMT -5
Like I said, it was a move they made to a scuffling team to try to improve the offense. It's not working out, but that doesn't necessary mean it was a bad decision at the time. There is to much criticism of it if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, everything should be examined, but chalking up the typical ebbs and flows of baseball to the complete evaluation of management is a mistake. It's only been a month since the signing, and Drew spent some time in the minors. The people who never wanted him can say it was a bad decision at the time and not be using hindsight. And they'd be right. That's not entirely true. The reason it has become a bad situation in hindsight is largely because it turns out Holt is a good player while Drew hasn't hit a lick since he's returned. One of those might have been foreseeable; the other was not. Even without Drew, the 2014 team wouldn't be in much better of a situation, as even if Holt was the full-time 3B, his replacement in the outfield would have been Sizemore or Nava/Gomes without the platoon advantage. The only real cost of adding Drew is that Xander has lost some defensive reps at SS, which is unfortunate but hopefully not a long-term detriment.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jun 24, 2014 21:23:55 GMT -5
I hate the way AJ plays the game. I don't understand how a catcher can have such a low baseball IQ.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2014 21:27:35 GMT -5
Ramirez essentially walked four batters in a row - Napoli robbed - and Pierzynski just rolls over the first ball he sees. He's a lousy defensive catcher and has hit into twice as many DPs as any other guy on this team. Just a horrible acquisition by Cherrington.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jun 24, 2014 21:55:44 GMT -5
Peavy is god awful, maybe its time for him to hit the road? 15 million for this garbage??
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 24, 2014 22:02:58 GMT -5
First time in a long time the Mariners have been better than us. I remember 03-04 when they were one of the teams fighting for a playoff spot. Last time I remember them being good. Than there was 2001 obviously.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2014 22:13:40 GMT -5
The people who never wanted him can say it was a bad decision at the time and not be using hindsight. And they'd be right. Look on the brightside, it is only a bad deal in the short run and Drew will be useful if the goal of the team is to tank. Unfortunately I dont even know if he has much trade value anymore. On the other hand, hopefully displacing Xander doesnt drive a wedge between him and Sox management as some suggested. I don't care about Drew or his deal. I care about Xander.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2014 22:16:11 GMT -5
The people who never wanted him can say it was a bad decision at the time and not be using hindsight. And they'd be right. That's not entirely true. The reason it has become a bad situation in hindsight is largely because it turns out Holt is a good player while Drew hasn't hit a lick since he's returned. One of those might have been foreseeable; the other was not. Even without Drew, the 2014 team wouldn't be in much better of a situation, as even if Holt was the full-time 3B, his replacement in the outfield would have been Sizemore or Nava/Gomes without the platoon advantage. The only real cost of adding Drew is that Xander has lost some defensive reps at SS, which is unfortunate but hopefully not a long-term detriment. Handling Xander correctly is way more important than this season, and I've felt that way since the offseason. It's the one and only reason I never wanted Drew back under any circumstances. You do not screw with your generational franchise player.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2014 22:21:06 GMT -5
Wow, bottom of the 3rd already.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2014 22:32:50 GMT -5
Steve HOLT!!!
That ball was ripped.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 22:33:24 GMT -5
Let Brock Holt name whatever position he wants to play.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jun 24, 2014 22:33:46 GMT -5
HOLT HOMERUN!!!!!!!!!
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