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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 31, 2014 19:11:42 GMT -5
So the Sox traded a boatload of valuable players and not one piece they got back is exciting. I'd love to know the prospect packages Ben turned down, like he alluded to, because the MLB take to is second rate.
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Post by kungfuizzy on Jul 31, 2014 19:17:04 GMT -5
So the Sox traded a boatload of valuable players and not one piece they got back is exciting. I'd love to know the prospect packages Ben turned down, like he alluded to, because the MLB take to is second rate. I don't know what else they could have done. Would you have preferred Bell who MIGHT turn into Cespedes?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 31, 2014 19:24:37 GMT -5
Still, Cherington did move a lot of players who were not in our plans for next year for some cost controlled players who can help us next year and beyond. When I look at the lack of other deals in general and what TB got for Price, I think Cherington, Dumbrowski and Beane out GMed all of baseball. St Louis did well also. Cherington in particular left few options for some teams as he snapped them all up. He must have effected some other deals which were potentially in progress.
My fear was that he would end up holding onto players at the end. Sometimes Epstein would get mega 3 team deals going and then not be able to close them and end up with little. Gotta give Cherington credit for today even though the return was mediocre. It was a whole lot better than no return at all which a lot of GM's ended up with.
I flat out can't figure out Tampa Bay's logic. One would think they could have used Price the remainder of this year and still gotten a similar return next winter. Even a better return. Consider the impact on the fans who thought they were in a pennant race. Their approach was mind boggling. Was Price a malcontent in the clubhouse? They must really like Drew Smyly to get that return and pull it off in the last minute. I think Cherington beat them to the punch on other options and they were left holding the bag. And then panicked.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 31, 2014 19:33:32 GMT -5
So the Sox traded a boatload of valuable players and not one piece they got back is exciting. I'd love to know the prospect packages Ben turned down, like he alluded to, because the MLB take to is second rate. We were the winners of the trade deadline by far (next to DET$ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by mjammz on Jul 31, 2014 19:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 19:43:18 GMT -5
I flat out can't figure out Tampa Bay's logic. One would think they could have used Price the remainder of this year and still gotten a similar return next winter. Even a better return. Consider the impact on the fans who thought they were in a pennant race. Their approach was mind boggling. Was Price a malcontent in the clubhouse? They must really like Drew Smyly to get that return and pull it off in the last minute. I think Cherington beat them to the punch on other options and they were left holding the bag. And then panicked. I would agree. Even without the benefit of the extra few months this season the entrance of other teams already out of the playoff race into the equation should allow you to receive a similar return.
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Post by ikonos on Jul 31, 2014 19:52:26 GMT -5
May be the abundance of FA arms might have factored in to the Rays decision to trade him now and accept the package they got for Price.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 31, 2014 19:58:45 GMT -5
May be the abundance of FA arms might have factored in to the Rays decision to trade him now and accept the package they got for Price. Yeah, because it's just like the Rays to drop 200 million on Scherzer and Lester.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 31, 2014 20:32:32 GMT -5
May be the abundance of FA arms might have factored in to the Rays decision to trade him now and accept the package they got for Price. Yeah, because it's just like the Rays to drop 200 million on Scherzer and Lester. No, I think he means that why should you pay in prospects then in cash for Price when you can pay in just cash for the Scherzer/Lesters of the upcoming free agency? Maybe they were afraid that would've driven down his trade value even more.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 31, 2014 20:56:11 GMT -5
I find it interesting that the Red Sox seemed to buy low on many of the players they acquired.
- Edwin Escobar had a dominant 2013 and was rated #56 by BA. He's sporting a 5.11 ERA this year and lagging peripherals. - Allen Craig averaged ~140 wRC+ the three years prior to this one. He's been below replacement level this year and is hitting a ton of grounders. - Eduardo Rodriguez was ranked in the 60s by BA, BP, and MLB.com going into the year. He has a 4.79 ERA this year. - Joe Kelly has had an injury plagued year and his ERA has spiked after two strong years, but the peripherals are similar.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 31, 2014 21:12:09 GMT -5
So the Sox traded a boatload of valuable players and not one piece they got back is exciting. I'd love to know the prospect packages Ben turned down, like he alluded to, because the MLB take to is second rate. I'm extremely excited about Cespedes. A power RH bat that will play up in Fenway? Yes please.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Jul 31, 2014 21:22:20 GMT -5
The same goes for Craig.
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Post by lancect on Jul 31, 2014 21:24:46 GMT -5
I don't like the trade but...
I am excited about Cespedes at Fenway too. And he will sell tickets. He has a cannon and won homerun derby. Without understanding the complexities of the deal, my five year old's eyes practically popped out of his face when he heard that Cespedes was on the Red Sox
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Post by rider on Jul 31, 2014 21:27:42 GMT -5
I'm starting to actually really like the Cespedes trade, think he can be an asset in RF with us for a while, and he's a proven MLB talent, unlike Piscotty or Bell for example.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 31, 2014 21:37:08 GMT -5
Still, Cherington did move a lot of players who were not in our plans for next year for some cost controlled players who can help us next year and beyond. When I look at the lack of other deals in general and what TB got for Price, I think Cherington, Dumbrowski and Beane out GMed all of baseball. St Louis did well also. Cherington in particular left few options for some teams as he snapped them all up. He must have effected some other deals which were potentially in progress. My fear was that he would end up holding onto players at the end. Sometimes Epstein would get mega 3 team deals going and then not be able to close them and end up with little. Gotta give Cherington credit for today even though the return was mediocre. It was a whole lot better than no return at all which a lot of GM's ended up with. I flat out can't figure out Tampa Bay's logic. One would think they could have used Price the remainder of this year and still gotten a similar return next winter. Even a better return. Consider the impact on the fans who thought they were in a pennant race. Their approach was mind boggling. Was Price a malcontent in the clubhouse? They must really like Drew Smyly to get that return and pull it off in the last minute. I think Cherington beat them to the punch on other options and they were left holding the bag. And then panicked. Yeah. Tampa got robbed on Price, was kind of funny IMO. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out tho, as well as the post season with the still fairly weak pen the Tigers have. Cherrington didn't do really bad getting Cespedes, I'd love to see him hit him hard and fase with a 5/75m contract offer. Anyone that follows them some will appreciate the 2 way game this guy provides. He is Puig without the attitude. I'd even up the amount to 17mAAV to lock him up, the pure power he has is amazing and people have seen his defense. Yes.. The defense has lapses, I hope the Boston media vultures don't get onto him, because this guy has just one flaw and that is occasionally going after everything in short periods.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 31, 2014 21:38:37 GMT -5
It helps immensely if they are able to extend Cespedes at non ridiculous terms, and even more so if by some chance they still end up with Lester and/or Miller in the offseason.
We've wanted a power RH OF bat, and the Sox got one. Is he the superstar many hoped for, likely not, but it potentially allows them to get another 2nd tier "star" instead of one top flight talent without giving up too much. Lester for two months for Cespedes, I'm a fan
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Post by brandon077 on Jul 31, 2014 21:39:34 GMT -5
Overall, I am totally fine with acquiring Cespedes. I haven't ever been that enamored with Allen Craig, but he profiles as someone that's better to have at a nice cap hit than Matt Kemp. Eduardo Rodriguez was a true steal for 12-14 innings of Andrew Miller who may end up back in Boston (possibly). If Cherington can mend the fences between Lester and his agent and return him this offseason than everything worked out for the best. Adding two quality young left handers in Escobar and Rodriguez helps for the future. I thought things were coming personally from a different area. So I did not have any foresight like many to think that Cespedes/Craig type moves were coming. They definitely shore up the outfield.
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Post by lancect on Jul 31, 2014 21:56:39 GMT -5
Cespedes isn't signing for 5/75, more like 6/110
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 31, 2014 22:02:42 GMT -5
Cespedes isn't signing for 5/75, more like 6/110 doubt it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 22:10:24 GMT -5
If he hits free agency, $18 million / year for Cespedes sounds like a more realistic market value than does $15 million / year. Didn't Ellsbury get almost $22 million / year?
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 31, 2014 22:21:07 GMT -5
I feel like we could use a consolidated thread where we give each trade a letter grade. It might be too complicated to add a poll, but I think to have one place for all of our opinions on each trade in one post and in one thread might be cool.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 31, 2014 22:32:50 GMT -5
any thoughts on trades or roster moves involving these 11 players in the next 6 weeks?
Lavarnway - has played Catcher only 11 games in AAA in 2014. Final option year. Britton - Final option year. Probably safe on roster until November. Breslow - could he be a waiver trade piece ? Carp - could be outrighted to AAA if he cleared waivers. Kelly Johnson - waiver trade or release
non-roster players, could be useful as depth for a team with an injury: Ely RHP Corey Brown Ryan Roberts
could be added and brought up 9/1, if Pawsox do not make playoffs: Barnes Travis Shaw Ryan Verdugo LHP
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 31, 2014 22:33:22 GMT -5
Think about it usually we would of traded like 6 prospects by now. We have our inventory plus a few more pieces. We could grab what we want from Pittsburgh. The offseason should be interesting.
Britton get screwed a little bite. I thought he did good on the major league roster but they got a couple of veterans and he was stuck in AAA no motivation . I hope he gets a legit shot.
I mean Breslow and Bandenhop should be out of here. I like to see Wilson also. They need to make decisions on some of the kids.
Can you imagine Westmoreland right now in RF? Unreal talent. He would be kicking ass out there. Huge loss. I happy he is okay. I hope he ends up in the organization somewhere.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 31, 2014 22:34:30 GMT -5
If he hits free agency, $18 million / year for Cespedes sounds like a more realistic market value than does $15 million / year. Didn't Ellsbury get almost $22 million / year? I'd have to agree with that assessment. We've spent a bit of time talking about the lack or right-handed power hitters. He's a guy who, for all his flaws, is just that. He'll be 30 when he hits the open market. That's still young enough to draw a five+ year contract.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Jul 31, 2014 22:35:07 GMT -5
If he hits free agency, $18 million / year for Cespedes sounds like a more realistic market value than does $15 million / year. Didn't Ellsbury get almost $22 million / year? Really depends on what he will do in a better hitter's park. If he hits the same, I could see 15-18. If he rakes, he'll go higher. Such a premium on power, clubs with be reassured by his athleticism.
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