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Post by mainesox on May 25, 2015 11:30:45 GMT -5
I don't think the Cameron hate is justified. He may not have a plus hit or power tool right now, but his swing is very nice for a righty. Very smooth. If he's anything like his dad, he could be a plus defender in CF. if we believe in his bat it isn't a bad pick. Cameron has good-not-great tools, and he's never really even shown the ability to put the tools he has to full use. Seems like a lot of down side just to get the upside of an average major leaguer.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 25, 2015 11:44:27 GMT -5
I sticking with Aiken and I coming around on Bregman because they know all about him. I hope some other team takes Tate and Fullmer. Before us. I like the idea on getting Aiken to take a discount. What good is it to get a discount on Aiken if his medicals are really bad? If his medicals were great, I'd be very interested in him. Assuming the strong possibility that his medicals are shaky, I'd realistically hope for: Fulmer Benintendi Bregman In that order. Where in what I wrote that I said if his medicals are really bad take him? I want the kid and if he took a discount during talks why not even more? You are assuming something and I assume something else.
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 11:46:03 GMT -5
Pretty much every assumption is that Aiken's medical risks are bad, which is why no one in the top 10 will even think about him. No one is going to come out and give specifics because that would really be messing with his future. They are private until he has signed with a team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 25, 2015 13:11:20 GMT -5
What good is it to get a discount on Aiken if his medicals are really bad? If his medicals were great, I'd be very interested in him. Assuming the strong possibility that his medicals are shaky, I'd realistically hope for: Fulmer Benintendi Bregman In that order. Where in what I wrote that I said if his medicals are really bad take him? I want the kid and if he took a discount during talks why not even more? You are assuming something and I assume something else. I'm assuming if his medicals are good, he doesn't have any major reasons to be giving out discounts.
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Post by artfuldodger on May 25, 2015 14:02:39 GMT -5
Has any of the injured pitchers being discussed as a possibility to drop to 3rd round?
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Post by amfox1 on May 25, 2015 14:18:55 GMT -5
Has any of the injured pitchers being discussed as a possibility to drop to 3rd round? 1-26 draft slot is $2,034,500 3-81 draft slot is $742,400 If I'm Aiken or Matuella, I probably take my marbles, go back to school and re-enter the draft next year for $750k. Likely that most of the other injured pitchers will do the same.
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 25, 2015 14:51:43 GMT -5
Has any of the injured pitchers being discussed as a possibility to drop to 3rd round? 1-26 draft slot is $2,034,500 3-81 draft slot is $742,400 If I'm Aiken or Matuella, I probably take my marbles, go back to school and re-enter the draft next year for $750k. Likely that most of the other injured pitchers will do the same. I hope it doesn't come to that with Aiken. I'd hate to see another Matt Harrington situation. He should take the million or two and start his career. It's better than slinging tires at Costco.
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Post by amfox1 on May 25, 2015 14:53:48 GMT -5
1-26 draft slot is $2,034,500 3-81 draft slot is $742,400 If I'm Aiken or Matuella, I probably take my marbles, go back to school and re-enter the draft next year for $750k. Likely that most of the other injured pitchers will do the same. I hope it doesn't come to that with Aiken. I'd hate to see another Matt Harrington situation. He should take the million or two and start his career. It's better than slinging tires at Costco. The question had to do with them dropping to the 3rd round, not whether they would sign for a million or two.
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 14:56:59 GMT -5
There is no way in hell Aiken falls that far. All it takes is one team to take the chance on him, even if the medicals are riskier than the usual TJS.
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Post by amfox1 on May 25, 2015 15:03:20 GMT -5
There is no way in hell Aiken falls that far. All it takes is one team to take the chance on him, even if the medicals are riskier than the usual TJS. Of course there is, don't be naive. Aiken lets teams know before the draft that his price is x (for sake of discussion, let's say $2.5 million, which is the approx. value of MFY's first round pick), and obviously teams know he is willing to sit out another year, rehab his injury and re-enter the draft again if the team doesn't meet his price. I'd expect Matuella to be similar, with his own price.
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Post by nomar on May 25, 2015 15:08:09 GMT -5
I don't think the Cameron hate is justified. He may not have a plus hit or power tool right now, but his swing is very nice for a righty. Very smooth. If he's anything like his dad, he could be a plus defender in CF. if we believe in his bat it isn't a bad pick. Cameron has good-not-great tools, and he's never really even shown the ability to put the tools he has to full use. Seems like a lot of down side just to get the upside of an average major leaguer. His upside isn't an average major leaguer. Purely speaking about ceilings, his is very high. He's flashed a ton of ability, the knock on him is that his motor or level of effort has been inconsistent because he's always been better than his competition. That's cause for legitimate concern, but he's a classic 5-tool, high risk, high upside guy.
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 25, 2015 15:08:45 GMT -5
I hope it doesn't come to that with Aiken. I'd hate to see another Matt Harrington situation. He should take the million or two and start his career. It's better than slinging tires at Costco. The question had to do with them dropping to the 3rd round, not whether they would sign for a million or two. I didn't mean to imply that. Just pointing out that I hope Aiken is drafted and signs. I have a hard time seeing a scenario where he isn't offered $1m by someone. Even if he falls. I suppose it's possible, but I don't see it.
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 15:13:00 GMT -5
There is no way in hell Aiken falls that far. All it takes is one team to take the chance on him, even if the medicals are riskier than the usual TJS. Of course there is, don't be naive. Aiken lets teams know before the draft that his price is x (for sake of discussion, let's say $2.5 million, which is the approx. value of MFY's first round pick), and obviously teams know he is willing to sit out another year, rehab his injury and re-enter the draft again if the team doesn't meet his price. I'd expect Matuella to be similar, with his own price. I'm not buying that he'd set his price that high and that some team with enough money would draft him. There should be some underslot deals early on so plenty of money should be available in the 2nd round too.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:52:12 GMT -5
Pretty much every assumption is that Aiken's medical risks are bad, which is why no one in the top 10 will even think about him. No one is going to come out and give specifics because that would really be messing with his future. They are private until he has signed with a team. I think the damage was already done by Houston last year with the fact that 2015 draft Aiken couldn't even make the top 5 list before even having TJS. So the damage was already done or this years draft has more impact players than 2014 draft with Tyler Kolek Carlos Rodon healthy Brady Aiken. I don't remember to many scouts saying what a mistake Houston made by drafting Aiken 1 overall. So no news is good news for Aiken.
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Post by johnsilver52 on May 25, 2015 19:52:39 GMT -5
There is no way in hell Aiken falls that far. All it takes is one team to take the chance on him, even if the medicals are riskier than the usual TJS. Think Jon Denney and he wasn't hurt.
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 25, 2015 20:05:30 GMT -5
There is no way in hell Aiken falls that far. All it takes is one team to take the chance on him, even if the medicals are riskier than the usual TJS. Think Jon Denney and he wasn't hurt. Denny had major character issues, Aiken doesn't. I don't understand the comparison.
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Post by alex710707 on May 25, 2015 22:09:22 GMT -5
My list is Benintendi (No need to explain) Ashe Russell Reason: 1. good frame, Height: 6'4" Weight: 195 lb. 2. plus fastball and plus slider, not bad command for HS pitcher. May be another Micahel Kopech Vedeo m.mlb.com/video/topic/18765768/v37009205/draft-report-ashe-russell-hs-pitcherJustin Hooper I know he is a late 1st round pick and high risk guy. But I really like his vicious fastball. He may be another David Price, if he can fix his control problem. 1. Height: 6'7" Weight: 230 lb. 2. mid 90 FB lefty HS is rare Vedeo:
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Post by philarhody on May 25, 2015 23:51:46 GMT -5
Alex i agree with you on Hooper. I don't see how you pass on his talent at 7. I know that Trey Ball's iffy results might preclude a less sound team from picking a raw HS lefty. Again. But this draft isnt nearly as deep/talented/exciting/(insert random positive adjective). This draft sucks. And Hooper might be the only potential impact player in it.
All that said, the "hammer curveball" he purportedly throws looks to be about as valuable as a German Mark in 1923.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 26, 2015 0:13:36 GMT -5
Hooper has been very inconsistent this spring and hasn't been a able to throw strikes. Most of the recent public rankings I've seen don't have have him in their top 30. I think he may end up going to College.
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Post by telson13 on May 26, 2015 2:06:13 GMT -5
It's ever changing, but I'd probably go: Rogers Jay Swanson Tate Fulmer Nikorak Tucker Benintendi Bregman Buehler I like Tucker a lot. I'm not sure why people aren't hyping him more. Seems like a plus hit with plus plus power potential. Not sure whats not to like out of a young HS OF I'm getting bullish on Tucker. I'm not sure I'd call him a plus-plus power guy (tough to bet on a guy hitting 30 HR a year), but he's definitely got a great bat.
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Post by telson13 on May 26, 2015 2:14:17 GMT -5
Does anybody have a link about Aiken's medicals coming back bad? I think every mock draft points to the fact that they have. Most likely that's a smokescreen. I've said it too many times, but the supposed issue of a small ligamentous attachment point is totally irrelevant based on the procedure. The new replacement tendon is anchored in a drilled hole. The old attachment point means nothing. Teams are, in my opinion, probably bordering on colluding to keep his bonus down and drop him in the draft, hoping they can pick him up. As previously noted, he probably won't drop past NYY at 16.
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Post by boomer on May 26, 2015 6:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by boomer on May 26, 2015 6:50:28 GMT -5
Baseball America has Whitley listed as their #7 talent although he is listed as pick #10 in their last mock draft. This scouting report and the lack of noise about Whitley as the Sox pick makes me wonder if he is their guy:
Following his junior year at Niskayuna (N.Y.) High, Whitley was a fast-twitch athlete, with a raw swing and tools that he wasn't quite able to use yet. Whitley's tools earned him a spot on the Northeast's Area Code and East Coast Pro teams, where he took advantage of instruction from pro scouts and blossomed into a first-round talent. Whitley held his own at both events, loosening up his wrists and showing off even more bat speed, while showing surprisingly advanced pitch recognition skills for a player from upstate New York. With wide shoulders and powerful hands, Whitley is now able to impact the ball with authority, and he's beginning to tap into the natural power in his 6-foot-2, 200-pound frame. The Wake Forest commit mixes his impressive pitch recognition and timing with elite bat speed, giving him all the materials to develop into a plus hitter with above-average potential. What separates Whitley is his plus speed; despite his physically mature frame, Whitley records plus run times to first base and takes gazelle-like strides in center field. The only tool of Whitley's that doesn't project as plus is his throwing arm. Some evaluators grade it as average while others have seen a fringe-average arm. Whitley has an impressive sixth tool in his makeup, which he's evidenced with the ability to receive coaching and implement changes.
The more I read about him, the more he is becoming my guy.
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Post by boomer on May 26, 2015 7:12:48 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on May 26, 2015 7:13:23 GMT -5
Think Jon Denney and he wasn't hurt. Denny had major character issues, Aiken doesn't. I don't understand the comparison. Were his attitude, or lack of personal control knowledge well known prior to the draft? That was my point, or is that why he fell from a high BA ranking (think was low 20's) all the way to the 3rd round? Asking because I really don't know Chavopepe. Didn't follow that draft much and don't remember hearing anything about his attitude being a factor, until he turned into the problem Boston now has.
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