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Post by klostrophobic on Sept 9, 2014 20:59:50 GMT -5
Allen Craig is just unbelievable.
This team doesn't deserve Mookie Betts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 9, 2014 21:07:45 GMT -5
Mice to see Barnes and Britton putting up nice numbers but Ranaudo 67 pitches / 36 strikes ??
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 9, 2014 21:40:24 GMT -5
Ranaudo just can't beat MLB hitters. It's sad, and I was wrong. And it's sad that I was wrong. But lacking some team that loves him, I'd still give him some time to see. A big kid who can throw the ball with a plus curve, still must have some potential to tap.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 9, 2014 21:46:35 GMT -5
Ranaudo just can't beat MLB hitters. It's sad, and I was wrong. And it's sad that I was wrong. But lacking some team that loves him, I'd still give him some time to see. A big kid who can throw the ball with a plus curve, still must have some potential to tap. It'd be great to see Barnes take his spot the rest of the way and ignore the innings cap, or just let Barnes throw 3-4 starts and go no more than 75-80 pitches/5IP per game instead, but the FO always knows best on these things..
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Post by radiohix on Sept 9, 2014 21:49:01 GMT -5
Lots of things to like in this game: Mookie keeping getting on base from the leadoff spot Xander showing signs of life. Barnes showing some real good secondary stuff. *Never counted on Ranaudo to be more than a reliever/trade ship ** Oh, and Draft picks!!!
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Post by nomar on Sept 9, 2014 22:01:27 GMT -5
If there's a surgery that can actually fix Pedroia hand/wrist issue for good, then I'm down for it by all means.
Even if he had to miss time (I assume he wouldn't have to), having Betts at 2B and JBJ/Cecchini in one of the outfield shots at the beginning of next year would hold us over until Pedroia got back on the field.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 9, 2014 22:05:02 GMT -5
I'd rather see Cechinni at 3rd and Mookie at SS for a while, in place of Weeks.(edit - I meant Mookie at 2nd - I've been busy as heck all day and I'm messing up!)
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 9, 2014 22:39:17 GMT -5
I'd rather see Cechinni at 3rd and Mookie at SS for a while, in place of Weeks.(edit - I meant Mookie at 2nd - I've been busy as heck all day and I'm messing up!) FO is talking about getting Middlebrooks to play winter ball even. I think we will be forced to endure his bat/game the rest of the season, unfortunately, though agree would rather see cecchini play 3b once the PawSox season ends.
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Post by dangermike on Sept 9, 2014 23:22:15 GMT -5
Ranaudo just can't beat MLB hitters. It's sad, and I was wrong. And it's sad that I was wrong. But lacking some team that loves him, I'd still give him some time to see. A big kid who can throw the ball with a plus curve, still must have some potential to tap. I don't think its a lot to ask that we wait a couple more games to judge Ranaudo. They may be meaningless awards but he did win pitcher of the year in his respective leagues the last 2 years. 5 games seems a bit quick to write him off, to me...
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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 9, 2014 23:28:31 GMT -5
I'd certainly like to see him "fresh" early next season before we write him off, which I'd imagine is what we will get.
But obviously if they find a team who values he and Mookie off the charts, that would be the more likely option.
They probably have to do something with their starting pitching depth, because assuming Owens/Johnson start 2015 in AAA, and only one of the other guys gets a starting job in Boston right away, it's a very overcrowded Pawtucket rotation
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Post by danr on Sept 10, 2014 0:08:35 GMT -5
Maybe the best place for Barnes is the BP. He can dial it up,but I noticed in gameday that he seemed to be very effective with his changeup. He was going from a 95 MPH FB to an 81 MPH changeup. That is a good split.
I would be interested in any comments from people who saw the game.
I think Bogaerts and Betts are the future stars of the Sox, which I realize is not saying anything surprising.
Does anyone know why MLB has 2 gamedays? The first one is horrible. The classic is the only one worth a damn.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 10, 2014 2:46:27 GMT -5
So about last night ...
This team is nothing with Big Papi.
Just sayin'.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 10, 2014 6:51:08 GMT -5
Ranaudo just can't beat MLB hitters. It's sad, and I was wrong. And it's sad that I was wrong. But lacking some team that loves him, I'd still give him some time to see. A big kid who can throw the ball with a plus curve, still must have some potential to tap. I don't think its a lot to ask that we wait a couple more games to judge Ranaudo. They may be meaningless awards but he did win pitcher of the year in his respective leagues the last 2 years. 5 games seems a bit quick to write him off, to me... Not write him off by any means. Barnes seems to have gotten stronger since the end of July, at least at the AAA level. I'd like to get a chance to see how he can do over a cpl of short starts at the MLB level. Pull Webster, who has failed 50% of his starts from being tired, issues. Some reason, or let Barnes have 2 and Ranaudo 2 starts the rest of the season. They have enough pitchers to fill out the pen if both are only good/limited to 5IP. Edit: Dan, My point with going ahead and getting Pat Light to the Bullpen and admitting the entire last season + of working him as a starter has been for naught, except as getting him experience as a professional ball player. Forget hit slider for good, go with his change and 95+ FB, that *in all likelihood* would gain velocity if he was just used in 1-2 inning stints as a reliever. Nothing is ever for certain that he'd gain more speed, but just throwing, say 95-7 and if he had any ability to command at all would probably be fair enough for at least a 6-7th inning guy. he's going to be 24 next ST and just had a poor season at A ball. The FO needs to be planning something productive out of him soon.
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Post by onbase on Sept 10, 2014 7:25:18 GMT -5
Maybe the best place for Barnes is the BP. He can dial it up,but I noticed in gameday that he seemed to be very effective with his changeup. He was going from a 95 MPH FB to an 81 MPH changeup. That is a good split. I would be interested in any comments from people who saw the game. I think Bogaerts and Betts are the future stars of the Sox, which I realize is not saying anything surprising. Does anyone know why MLB has 2 gamedays? The first one is horrible. The classic is the only one worth a damn. According to the Fenway displays, he threw mostly 92, a couple of 94's but no 95's that I noticed, but you noticed the effectiveness of his pitch mixing correctly. And whatever that thing was that Fenway called a curve was effectively wild. Barnes was flat out fun to watch, worked fast, threw strikes, hitters were lost, and he wasn't rattled by the three scattered base runners he did allow. Fenway appreciated him. In a one game sample, and with the added adrenaline of his MLB debut, he looked like a closer for three innings.
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Post by jmei on Sept 10, 2014 7:29:23 GMT -5
Per Fangraphs' PITCHf/x, Barnes averaged 93.6 mph last night, with a high of 95.2.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 10, 2014 10:31:05 GMT -5
Will mookie still be considered a rookie next year? What is the AB cut off for that?
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Post by ethanbein on Sept 10, 2014 11:06:55 GMT -5
Will mookie still be considered a rookie next year? What is the AB cut off for that? 130 AB is the cutoff I believe. Mookie is at 121, so he won't be a rookie next year (or a prospect this offseason).
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Post by jrffam05 on Sept 10, 2014 11:25:50 GMT -5
Not that it matters, but it is kind of funny how the 21 kid in his first full season won't be considered for the ROY because of his 130 at bats but Abreau and Tanaka will be.
Lets go Castillo, ROY '15
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 10, 2014 11:45:53 GMT -5
130 AB is the cutoff I believe. Mookie is at 121, so he won't be a rookie next year He just needs to walk 4 times a game from now on.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 10, 2014 13:21:00 GMT -5
The wheels on the bus are falling off falling off. Falling off.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 10, 2014 13:27:22 GMT -5
The whole bus is now on fire. Now on fire now on fire.
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Post by taftreign on Sept 10, 2014 13:27:43 GMT -5
They don't play the same position? I would assume the thought he has is Mookie at 2B and JBJ in CF? But Cherington doesn't seem too inclined to play Mookie anywhere other than the OF at this point At the point Rusney Castillo is promoted to the bigs you do wonder how playing time will break down. Something has to give and maybe Mookie plays a day or two a week at 2b or the Cespedes, Betts, Holt and Craig group will each start to get extra time off to absorb Castillos playing time.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 10, 2014 13:28:02 GMT -5
Workman is NOT a starting pitcher. His performance today and during the season justifies that.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Sept 10, 2014 13:30:12 GMT -5
This is one of the worst lineups I've ever seen from the Red Sox. With an exclamation point for the bottom third. AWFUL.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2014 13:36:14 GMT -5
This is one of the worst lineups I've ever seen from the Red Sox. With an exclamation point for the bottom third. AWFUL. You'd think that with the playoffs on the line, they'd try to come up with the best lineup day in and day out.
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