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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2014 13:43:06 GMT -5
Perspective:
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 9m Of course, for guys like Ranaudo/Workman, given irrelevance of Ws/Ls, this stretch is about learning about workload of a full big lg year
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 9m It's hard to evaluate their stuff. They're likely pretty much running on fumes. But they're building for a stronger future season.
The same can be said about Webster and RDLR.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Sept 10, 2014 13:47:57 GMT -5
This is one of the worst lineups I've ever seen from the Red Sox. With an exclamation point for the bottom third. AWFUL. You'd think that with the playoffs on the line, they'd try to come up with the best lineup day in and day out. Yes, that was my point.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2014 14:00:27 GMT -5
I'm hoping that Rivero makes a good impression. I'd like to see him back next year as a taxi player.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 10, 2014 14:23:29 GMT -5
This is one of the worst lineups I've ever seen from the Red Sox. With an exclamation point for the bottom third. AWFUL. I dunno what you're talking about; their #7 hitter has a career 2.500 OPS
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Post by kman22 on Sept 10, 2014 14:24:44 GMT -5
Wow, another opposing no-hit bid.
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Post by MLBDreams on Sept 10, 2014 14:43:41 GMT -5
Enough is enough. They don't need to evaluation more on Brandon Workman. He didn't answer the team as the starter (soon to be 1-9 with high 5 as ERA). He failed. Period. Webster & Renaudo give us too little hope. Nothing is special for them. They're going to be last place club with their young pitching staffs on the team if Ben wants to. I like to find out more from Chris Barnes & Henry Owens as starter.
I think this team is much worse than 2012 team. Too many shutout losses, too many no-hit thru 7th inning, too many few runs, too many errors, and more. It's awful outright from this RS team. Almost wire to wire last place team.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2014 14:48:24 GMT -5
This is one of the worst lineups I've ever seen from the Red Sox. With an exclamation point for the bottom third. AWFUL. I dunno what you're talking about; their #7 hitter has a career 2.500 OPS And their #8 hitter has more hits than the rest of the team combined. Looking bottom heavy.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 10, 2014 14:51:57 GMT -5
Sox do understand that the "battle" for the top pick in 2015 is meant to be ironic, not literal?
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Post by kman22 on Sept 10, 2014 14:53:47 GMT -5
Sox do understand that the "battle" for the top pick in 2015 is meant to be ironic, not literal? Sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don't blow this for us.
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Post by godot on Sept 10, 2014 15:02:20 GMT -5
Perspective: Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 9m Of course, for guys like Ranaudo/Workman, given irrelevance of Ws/Ls, this stretch is about learning about workload of a full big lg year Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 9m It's hard to evaluate their stuff. They're likely pretty much running on fumes. But they're building for a stronger future season. The same can be said about Webster and RDLR. If the so called hot pitching prospects are pooped out and Dustin will out out with Papi and Napoli playing hurt, why play the rest of the games. Throw up the white flag of mercy and flog the owners and management. Can't believe some of you actually believed they had hot prospects at AAA. Then again they also believed that Xander and Jr. would step in at short and center without the Sox missing a beat. Injuries had something to do with their flop, but every team has them with the good teams surviving. The Sox also made poor decisions during the winter. And the dofuses defending dumping Lester. So what do we have to look forward to for next year? Please tell me.
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Post by nomar on Sept 10, 2014 15:18:20 GMT -5
Hope Bogaerts eclipses the .700 OPS mark by the end if the season.
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Post by dominicansoxfan on Sept 10, 2014 15:21:32 GMT -5
Allen Craig's mechanical difficulties are slight but making a huge difference! When he was hitting in 2012 & 2013 his bat wagging ended much sooner in the pitchers wind-up, his stance was 1/2 step wider, his front leg lift was much smaller, and even though he leaned forward in his stance then it was slighter and more balanced. The last thing had him staying in the box longer and finish his swing completely, and now he is half way out of the box trying to beat out an infield single or start his jog early for an off balance pop/fly out.
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Post by jmei on Sept 10, 2014 15:49:33 GMT -5
Bogaerts getting on a little hot streak to end the season is nice to see.
As for the rest: when you're running out a 5-9 of Craig, Nava (versus a lefty), Rivero, Butler, and Weeks, what do you expect? The white flag is up and has been up since the trade deadline.
(By the way, LOLJoeSaunders).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2014 15:56:07 GMT -5
I'm hoping that Rivero makes a good impression. I'd like to see him back next year as a taxi player. That helped
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Post by jmei on Sept 10, 2014 15:58:14 GMT -5
I'm tempted to say screw the draft pick, hit these Orioles with 9+ runs in the ninth and pay them back for 2012. But they're ten games ahead of Toronto, so it really doesn't matter one bit.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 10, 2014 15:58:29 GMT -5
This is one of the worst lineups I've ever seen from the Red Sox. With an exclamation point for the bottom third. AWFUL. I dunno what you're talking about; their #7 hitter has a career 2.500 OPS Always good to wait on the instant analysis, no? Rivero actually looks like he can figure out what pitch he's looking at and whether to swng at it, and Butler has 3 hits. Another smash by Bogaerts to end the game. He's hitting the ball very hard.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2014 16:09:09 GMT -5
Perspective: Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 9m Of course, for guys like Ranaudo/Workman, given irrelevance of Ws/Ls, this stretch is about learning about workload of a full big lg year Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 9m It's hard to evaluate their stuff. They're likely pretty much running on fumes. But they're building for a stronger future season. The same can be said about Webster and RDLR. If the so called hot pitching prospects are pooped out and Dustin will out out with Papi and Napoli playing hurt, why play the rest of the games. Throw up the white flag of mercy and flog the owners and management. Can't believe some of you actually believed they had hot prospects at AAA. Then again they also believed that Xander and Jr. would step in at short and center without the Sox missing a beat. Injuries had something to do with their flop, but every team has them with the good teams surviving. The Sox also made poor decisions during the winter. And the dofuses defending dumping Lester. So what do we have to look forward to for next year? Please tell me. I agree. So what if they've never thrown this much in their lives? They're soulless robots and you people need to stop making excuses for them. I can't believe anyone here thought that the number 1/2 prospect in all of baseball was any good and could step in at SS as a 21 year old rookie.
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Post by soxfanatic on Sept 10, 2014 16:26:06 GMT -5
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 11 min. Dr. Matthew Leibman, a Needham hand specialist, will perform surgery on Pedroia. #RedSox
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Post by godot on Sept 10, 2014 16:51:20 GMT -5
Bogaerts getting on a little hot streak to end the season is nice to see. As for the rest: when you're running out a 5-9 of Craig, Nava (versus a lefty), Rivero, Butler, and Weeks, what do you expect? The white flag is up and has been up since the trade deadline. (By the way, LOLJoeSaunders). And how the hell does that differ from what they have thrown out there the rest of the year. Only the names have change. I know you are the smartest one in the room, but the room is full of squirrels.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 10, 2014 17:27:22 GMT -5
Bogaerts getting on a little hot streak to end the season is nice to see. As for the rest: when you're running out a 5-9 of Craig, Nava (versus a lefty), Rivero, Butler, and Weeks, what do you expect? The white flag is up and has been up since the trade deadline. (By the way, LOLJoeSaunders). And how the hell does that differ from what they have thrown out there the rest of the year. Only the names have change. I know you are the smartest one in the room, but the room is full of squirrels. Not at all. They're running auditions and if you've been watching baseball for any length of time you've got that figured out, so why keep this stuff up? We've seen a long list of players come up from the minors. You can't seriously be comparing Vazquez to Pierzynski, and Betts to Sizemore, can you? We've gotten our first looks at Ranaudo and Barnes as well. I'm not sure where you're coming from, Godot.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 10, 2014 17:41:43 GMT -5
Banner day today! 2 for 11 with runners in scoring position.
Workman to the pen next season. Round peg - round hole.
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Post by godot on Sept 10, 2014 17:57:11 GMT -5
Oregon Normie, in all seriousness Vasquez, Betts are improvements and now Xander seems to have more balance he is swinging. ( Maybe he is also more aggressive than "selective"). Vaquez is not exactly a dynamo with the bat, but like his approach and he will be ok. But for most of the year the bottom of the lineup has been bad, almost like throwing out the players that Jmie mentions. BTW, Sizemore is doing ok with the Phils, hitting 291 with an OBP of 345 and some power. Their pitching going forward is not that encouraging to say the least, including the pen which is now shaky and will be over used. Why they did want to pay the price for Lester is beyond me, but I am not as smart as Jmie ( who is?) Third base is also problem. Just not optimistic about next year nor do I like (agree with) their policies, but willing to hold judgement and see what they do this winter.
BTW, Godot is not coming, but you still are waiting. I can't be serious for any length of time. It tires me.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 10, 2014 18:26:10 GMT -5
What exactly do you expect at this time of year? The only goal now is to get a better idea of what we need this winter.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 10, 2014 19:12:15 GMT -5
the thinly veiled invective that gets thrown towards anyone who expresses real frustration with this year is disingenuous. There may be no use in crying over spilled milk...but what has occured this year should give every sane person pause, as it relates to the decision making personnel running this club.
People don't choose to pile on because they hate the Red Sox...it's a reaction to how much a person cares about the Red Sox.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 10, 2014 20:03:10 GMT -5
the thinly veiled invective that gets thrown towards anyone who expresses real frustration with this year is disingenuous. There may be no use in crying over spilled milk...but what has occured this year should give every sane person pause, as it relates to the decision making personnel running this club. People don't choose to pile on because they hate the Red Sox...it's a reaction to how much a person cares about the Red Sox. This is a prospect site, so a lot of us who like watching those prospects develop saw an opportunity for just that this year. The criticism is valuable when it pertains to skills, and even lineup construction. It's much less so when it's just general griping and tire-slashing. Look, I cringe with everyone else when I see some of what's gone down. But I also see where I think this is going. There's a major revamp going on. There are good pieces being added. Cespedes is an asset in the right lineup. They walked in, laid the money out, and walked out with Castillo. Betts is going to be huge I believe. And I think Godot is right when he says that Vazquez hitting will come along to go with that stellar defense. Bogaerts has been smashing balls and some of them are starting to fall in. Now he needs to get back to building the walk rate and he's a piece of the puzzle also. Barnes looks good, De La Rosa less so, Ranaudo not so much, and Webster is all over the map. But that's just a taste of the pitching they'll be rummaging through over the next 6-8 months. They've also got the lefthanded brigade to bring on. Out of that is sure to come at least two or three starters - and some trade chips. They've got those chips to play with, and a bunch of cash to lay on the table also. Now is when Cherrington gets to show that he knows what that next great team will look like. One thing's for sure, it won't look like this year no matter what some posters have convinced themselves of.
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