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9/26-9/28 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 27, 2014 18:01:47 GMT -5
Given this year's overall performance and probability? Didn't this year show us what can happen when you have to rely too much on internal guys who aren't proven? If the team goes with Cechinni next year without some serious outside competition based on turning it around for two months or so it would be embarrassing. That involves spending serious cash, unless it's someone of the AAAA retread class like they did the last couple of seasons in Brandon Ryan/Ryan Roberts quality, which no MLB team is going to rely upon for more than a couple of weeks tops.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Sept 27, 2014 18:49:42 GMT -5
Given this year's overall performance and probability? Didn't this year show us what can happen when you have to rely too much on internal guys who aren't proven? If the team goes with Cechinni next year without some serious outside competition based on turning it around for two months or so it would be embarrassing. That involves spending serious cash, unless it's someone of the AAAA retread class like they did the last couple of seasons in Brandon Ryan/Ryan Roberts quality, which no MLB team is going to rely upon for more than a couple of weeks tops. Well outside of the pitching isn't that the biggest hole by far? Unless they are spending every dime they have in FA for pitching I fail to see how they would be forced for a Ryan Roberts type quality. I don't see why they wouldn't possibly check the tires on Headley or look at the trade market.
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Post by jmei on Sept 27, 2014 18:49:58 GMT -5
With all the pitchers we have, why not let Kelly finish the 7th and go home? Put in some relievers for God's sake. Why risk an injury to Kelly with a huge lead like that, after the gas he threw. I'm sorry but sometimes Farrell is just stupid. Bad decision. At this time of year in this situation, use each game to build for the future. Are we trying to build Kelly's arm strength for the off season? In his postgame interview, Kelly said that he really wanted to go for his first career complete game and was upset at himself for not getting there. He entered the eighth inning with only 81 pitches thrown. It was perfectly defensible to send him out there for the 8th. I know it's a small sample size but I'd absolutely go with Cechinni next spring. He has actually looked good in the field, at least from the highlights I've seen ( I haven't seen any game action for weeks ). He seems to have good contact skills and feel comfortable in mlb. It's a tiny sample, but contact is just about the only thing Cecchini hasn't done well. He's got a 28.1% strikeout rate in his MLB time this year, though he's compensated for that a bit by hitting the ball pretty hard. I've been less impressed with the defense. The highlights are nice, but some of them are close plays only because he got the ball out a little late and the baserunner was especially slow. He's flashed a strong arm and shown more range than I've seen in the past, but the footwork is still a little clunky to me. Maybe that's focusing too much on the aesthetics-- he seems to make all the plays he needs to, even if it's not pretty.
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Post by danr on Sept 27, 2014 19:48:41 GMT -5
I noticed the footwork, also, but I think it isn't that important. He seems to be a whole lot better overall than Middlebrooks. I like that swing that gets flyballs off the wall. Reminds me of Boggs. I think he could be the real deal, maybe rough around the edges, but someone who could be an impact player.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 27, 2014 20:00:19 GMT -5
Wall should really help him, he seems to have the strength to reach it and swing is there for it. Boggs, Yaz and Gonzalez would have been on that list if he had remained long enough as threats to both LF/RF. Guys you had to be careful with on both sides of the plate, another reason think he's far more valuable that Middlebrooks.
The high K rate JMEI mentioned is based on less than 30PA. Not enough to get into negative tendencies would think and even though his K rate climbed up to a tad over 20% (doubling) at Pawtucket this season, it's not like his has stayed at, or above as has Middlebrooks and his OBP was still a career low .341.
There is something to Cecchini and The Sox are the team who need to see it, not packaged away in some deal.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 27, 2014 20:31:15 GMT -5
I have absolutely no ill will toward Jeter whatsoever ... but I'm not the biggest fan of guys announcing their retirement a year in advance. Don't get me wrong, it's his career, and he has every right to retire how he damn well pleases. But after that ridiculous farewell tour everyone had to deal with last year, it would have been nice for Jeter to have gone a different route. It's the coverage of the retirement tour that's exhausting. And I think it's a little insulting to the majority of baseball fans who don't particularly care about the Yankees. Obviously it's all that Yankees fans really have this season, and even for Red Sox fans I can see why it's a significant moment but if you're an Angels fan or an Oakland fan or a Royals fan or a Pirates fan I think it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone thinks you should give a crap about Jeter's retirement tour. Did anyone act like Craig Biggo's retirement tour should mean anything to fans outside of Houston? Oh, it's a lot more than the coverage. It's the crass commercialism of it all. NYY players have been wearing his number on their shirts, his name was on the side of the bases at Yankee Stadium and the NYDN ran a front-pager the other day about how you can buy his socks for $400. I've always admired Jeter for staying out of trouble, but I always thought he was way overrated both as a player and as teammate. He always gets kudos for being an unselfish team guy, but he could have shut down a lot of the circus this year if he had chosen. He could have said, "Hey, I don't want everyone wearing my number or my number on the bases. This is a team game and I'm just one of 25 guys on this team." Instead, he let the NYY/Steiner Sports marketing machine and his own ego win out. It makes him look self-indulgent and phony. Imagine the reaction if Alex Rodriguez or Barry Bonds had their socks for sale for $400. Jetes plays the spoiled athlete game better than anyone and always gets a pass.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 27, 2014 20:38:48 GMT -5
Tanaka is going to need surgery, no doubt. Moreover,the Yanks may be starting to get a feel here for a good chunk of the next great Red Sox team. Add to that the budget they may be looking at just to be semi-competitive... There's s dark cloud hovering over the Bronx. I guess the optimum situation for us would be for the NYY to hope that a winter of rest and rehab will let Tanaka avoid surgery. Then, he makes a few starts next year, can't hack it and needs the knife. Having TJ surgery a few weeks into the 2015 season would keep him out for the rest of that season and into 2016.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 27, 2014 21:35:00 GMT -5
Tanaka is going to need surgery, no doubt. Moreover,the Yanks may be starting to get a feel here for a good chunk of the next great Red Sox team. Add to that the budget they may be looking at just to be semi-competitive... There's s dark cloud hovering over the Bronx. I guess the optimum situation for us would be for the NYY to hope that a winter of rest and rehab will let Tanaka avoid surgery. Then, he makes a few starts next year, can't hack it and needs the knife. Having TJ surgery a few weeks into the 2015 season would keep him out for the rest of that season and into 2016. For his sake, I hope they don't do that. He should just get the surgery and be done with it. As it is, it may take him close to a year to recoup.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 27, 2014 21:45:57 GMT -5
I guess the optimum situation for us would be for the NYY to hope that a winter of rest and rehab will let Tanaka avoid surgery. Then, he makes a few starts next year, can't hack it and needs the knife. Having TJ surgery a few weeks into the 2015 season would keep him out for the rest of that season and into 2016. For his sake, I hope they don't do that. He should just get the surgery and be done with it. As it is, it may take him close to a year to recoup. Yep, if he gets the surgery this off-season, he'll miss all of 2015. That means that they will have gotten a half season's worth of production out of him for $44 million.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 27, 2014 23:19:54 GMT -5
m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=11598946Story from ESPN out of NY, co-authored by Wallace Matthews who really should try taking his business to The Enquirer. Navel gazing into one of the team meetings, they speculate on how Girardi dissed Jeter, raining all over his parade by riding the team for not giving it their all this season. It would be bad form for Girardi to vent at Cashman who, afterall, gave him a weak hand to play what with that crappy infield they started the season with. But I have to wonder if this isn't being orchestrated by that same FO, if they aren't getting ready to jettison the guy. That would be too bad. A strong argument can be made that they shouldn't have gotten anywhere near the playoffs either of the last two years. No credit for that, I guess, since this isn't hand grenades or horseshoes, though it looks s lot like the former.
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Post by Gwell55 on Sept 27, 2014 23:42:00 GMT -5
It's the coverage of the retirement tour that's exhausting. And I think it's a little insulting to the majority of baseball fans who don't particularly care about the Yankees. Obviously it's all that Yankees fans really have this season, and even for Red Sox fans I can see why it's a significant moment but if you're an Angels fan or an Oakland fan or a Royals fan or a Pirates fan I think it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone thinks you should give a crap about Jeter's retirement tour. Did anyone act like Craig Biggo's retirement tour should mean anything to fans outside of Houston? Oh, it's a lot more than the coverage. It's the crass commercialism of it all. NYY players have been wearing his number on their shirts, his name was on the side of the bases at Yankee Stadium and the NYDN ran a front-pager the other day about how you can buy his socks for $400. I've always admired Jeter for staying out of trouble, but I always thought he was way overrated both as a player and as teammate. He always gets kudos for being an unselfish team guy, but he could have shut down a lot of the circus this year if he had chosen. He could have said, "Hey, I don't want everyone wearing my number or my number on the bases. This is a team game and I'm just one of 25 guys on this team." Instead, he let the NYY/Steiner Sports marketing machine and his own ego win out. It makes him look self-indulgent and phony. Imagine the reaction if Alex Rodriguez or Barry Bonds had their socks for sale for $400. Jetes plays the spoiled athlete game better than anyone and always gets a pass. The game today was unwatchable for us. The whole time it was Jeter this Jeter that show him in between batter throwing out giambi and it got so bad Listen to the Jeter only announcers who didn't even bother play by play that by the 2nd inning we just taped the game and went outside and worked on tearing down an addition. When we came back in we just watched the game on fast forward and the highlights. Is tomorrow's on espn or can we get the Sox NESN feed?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 28, 2014 7:17:44 GMT -5
Not sure why the kvetching about Kelly ... he gave up a string of ground balls that either just found holes or should've been handled, then the bullpen let all his runners score. It's not like he gave up a bunch of rockets.
And in general, I'd just be super careful about drawing too many conclusions from the recent play. September baseball isn't really like the rest of the year because of all the call-ups and the wildly different agendas of the teams playing (from lining up rotations and bullpens for playoffs to playing out the string and evaluating young players). But it's been more enjoyable to watch, that's for sure.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 28, 2014 7:28:53 GMT -5
Oh, it's a lot more than the coverage. It's the crass commercialism of it all. NYY players have been wearing his number on their shirts, his name was on the side of the bases at Yankee Stadium and the NYDN ran a front-pager the other day about how you can buy his socks for $400. I've always admired Jeter for staying out of trouble, but I always thought he was way overrated both as a player and as teammate. He always gets kudos for being an unselfish team guy, but he could have shut down a lot of the circus this year if he had chosen. He could have said, "Hey, I don't want everyone wearing my number or my number on the bases. This is a team game and I'm just one of 25 guys on this team." Instead, he let the NYY/Steiner Sports marketing machine and his own ego win out. It makes him look self-indulgent and phony. Imagine the reaction if Alex Rodriguez or Barry Bonds had their socks for sale for $400. Jetes plays the spoiled athlete game better than anyone and always gets a pass. The game today was unwatchable for us. The whole time it was Jeter this Jeter that show him in between batter throwing out giambi and it got so bad Listen to the Jeter only announcers who didn't even bother play by play that by the 2nd inning we just taped the game and went outside and worked on tearing down an addition. When we came back in we just watched the game on fast forward and the highlights. Is tomorrow's on espn or can we get the Sox NESN feed? Ugh, I totally agree with these statements from beginning to end.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 28, 2014 12:01:42 GMT -5
GAME 162:
1. Mookie Betts (R) 2B 2. Daniel Nava (S) RF 3. Yoenis Cespedes (R) DH 4. Allen Craig (R) 1B 5. Garin Cecchini (L) 3B 6. Rusney Castillo (R) CF 7. Bryce Brentz (R) LF 8. David Ross (R) C 9. Jemile Weeks (S) SS
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 28, 2014 12:02:08 GMT -5
I hope this is the last game Craig is our cleanup hitter.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 28, 2014 12:03:53 GMT -5
Final game being broadcast on TBS. I imagine it will be the same sort of thing,, like a circus barker doing the sermon at a religious gathering.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 28, 2014 12:54:30 GMT -5
Betts will steal 30 bases a year, I love this kid!
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2014 13:04:38 GMT -5
The poll question on NESN, SMH
Which one doesn't belong? Gretzky, Jeter, Jordan, Manning
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2014 13:07:18 GMT -5
For the 7th inning stretch, the winner of the Red Sox fan's Ode to Derek Jeter contest will be reading their poem to him.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 28, 2014 13:15:58 GMT -5
For the 7th inning stretch, the winner of the Red Sox fan's Ode to Derek Jeter contest will be reading their poem to him. Please tell me you're making this up.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2014 13:16:55 GMT -5
For the 7th inning stretch, the winner of the Red Sox fan's Ode to Derek Jeter contest will be reading their poem to him. Please tell me you're making this up. hahaha yes
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 28, 2014 13:30:41 GMT -5
Buchholz is awful, lets trade him for a bag of balls
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2014 13:36:47 GMT -5
The poll question on NESN, SMH Which one doesn't belong? Gretzky, Jeter, Jordan, Manning The worst part about this Jeter lovefest is that he's pretty unambiguously not one of the best players in baseball history. Yes, the rings are nice, but is he even one of the best half-dozen shortstops ever? I'd have Ripken, Wagner, Rodriguez, and Yount higher than him, and then guys like Ozzie Smith and Alan Trammell and Barry Larkn on the same tier. He's a great player (especially considering the postseason heroics) and a deserving Hall of Famer, but I don't know that he's an inner-circle guy or anything.
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Post by jclmontana on Sept 28, 2014 13:39:50 GMT -5
McCann pinch runs for Jeter, replacing him at third base. Is this a baseball move or heavy-handed symbolism? I recently read somewhere the idea of McCann as next year's clubhouse leader. Which, if true, could be quite entertaining.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 28, 2014 13:45:12 GMT -5
I hope this is the last game Craig is our cleanup hitter. I hope you are right. Craig must be swinging a 99 pound bat, because it is so slow. About about Craig, de la rosa, Escobar ranaudo and Napoli to Atlanta for freeman?
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