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Jon Lester to the Cubs 6/155
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 10, 2014 10:50:54 GMT -5
I mean, Lester's spin PR crew can play this however he wants, that he wants to make history, but he just plain signed for the most money. I can't fault him for that, but he is a liar. That's all their is to it. So the people who want to trash our owners and front office, take your crap elsewhere. Exactly. The ownership bashing is ridiculous. Its not far-fetched at all that Lester had intended this all along.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2014 10:54:46 GMT -5
No, not if I worked for the Red Sox. I don't expect everyone to be like that, but I don't have to care about them when they're gone either. I really don't root for the players. I root for the team. Cmon man, be serious. Lester and Theo owed nothing to the team or city, they had done plenty. And the hypothetical wasn't referring to you working for the Red Sox, I'm talking about real life, not a fantasy I don't care about players or GMs of other teams. How hard is it to understand?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 10, 2014 10:59:38 GMT -5
Cmon man, be serious. Lester and Theo owed nothing to the team or city, they had done plenty. And the hypothetical wasn't referring to you working for the Red Sox, I'm talking about real life, not a fantasy I don't care about players or GMs of other teams. How hard is it to understand? How hard is it to understand that I'm saying you can't be mad at Lester signing with another team after the Sox traded him, and you can't hate on Theo for taking a promotion?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2014 11:02:11 GMT -5
I don't care about players or GMs of other teams. How hard is it to understand? How hard is it to understand that I'm saying you can't be mad at Lester signing with another team after the Sox traded him, and you can't hate on Theo for taking a promotion? I can think whatever I want. I'm a fan. Just like the people who think that Lester wasn't going to free agency all along... Just like the people who thought Theo wasn't just running away from the disaster he created...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 10, 2014 11:05:29 GMT -5
I mean, Lester's spin PR crew can play this however he wants, that he wants to make history, but he just plain signed for the most money.I can't fault him for that, but he is a liar. That's all their is to it. So the people who want to trash our owners and front office, take your crap elsewhere. The front office, the city, the league, his actual relationship with the Red Sox (which is anyone's guess)... obviously none of this mattered. I don't know the man and I'm not going to judge him. If you're upset by his actions because of some of the public statements he made, it was always a mistake to take those statements too seriously. It's PR, people. These are calculated statements, the primary goal of which is not accuracy. He made his decision and good for him. I wish him luck and honestly I'd be genuinely excited to see him, Theo, Hoyer, etc bring a championship to Wrigley.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 10, 2014 11:06:59 GMT -5
Cmon man, be serious. Lester and Theo owed nothing to the team or city, they had done plenty. And the hypothetical wasn't referring to you working for the Red Sox, I'm talking about real life, not a fantasy I don't care about players or GMs of other teams. How hard is it to understand? It's not hard to understand but it doesn't sound like a lot of fun to me.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 10, 2014 11:07:08 GMT -5
This was a long con by Lester's group.
Good for them. Some of us were able to see right through it, some of us weren't.
In the end, they got what they wanted both money wise and reputation wise.
But in the end it makes me think of Lester as a greasy slimeball. No one would have faulted him for taking the money, but he goes and takes the money then he makes the Red Sox the bad guys too?
Seriously, screw him. If you can't see through it then, that's on you.
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Post by jmei on Dec 10, 2014 11:09:05 GMT -5
To be fair to Lester, Boston's best offer was $20m less and lacked a seventh year vesting option, yet it apparently was still in the running until the very end. He apparently preferred Boston's 6/$135m offer over San Francisco's 7/$168m offer. Every indication suggests that he did take into account some notion of a hometown discount. The difference was that that hometown discount was outweighed by $20m and a vesting seventh year option from another team that he also found attractive (due to the front office, the narrative, etc), which seems perfectly reasonable.
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 10, 2014 11:11:03 GMT -5
Can we all agree that his faux Texas redneck thing from a kid who grew up in Washington is annoying? We get that you hung out with Texas rednecks Beckett and Lackey, and adopted their love of country music and huntin' with the little man, but please don't go out of your way to incorporate this good ol' boy persona into your writing.
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Post by jmei on Dec 10, 2014 11:11:15 GMT -5
This was a long con by Lester's group. Good for them. Some of us were able to see right through it, some of us weren't. In the end, they got what they wanted both money wise and reputation wise. But in the end it makes me think of Lester as a greasy slimeball. No one would have faulted him for taking the money, but he goes and takes the money then he makes the Red Sox the bad guys too? Seriously, screw him. If you can't see through it then, that's on you. LOL
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 10, 2014 11:13:41 GMT -5
This was a long con by Lester's group. Good for them. Some of us were able to see right through it, some of us weren't. In the end, they got what they wanted both money wise and reputation wise. But in the end it makes me think of Lester as a greasy slimeball. No one would have faulted him for taking the money, but he goes and takes the money then he makes the Red Sox the bad guys too? Seriously, screw him. If you can't see through it then, that's on you. Jesus man, get off the cliff. Stop being a homer for one second, think with some logic, and tell me if you could turn down 20 million dollars. Or $40 million less if you consider SF.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 10, 2014 11:18:42 GMT -5
Can we all agree that his faux Texas redneck thing from a kid who grew up in Washington is annoying? We get that you hung out with Texas rednecks Beckett and Lackey, and adopted their love of country music and huntin' with the little man, but please don't go out of your way to incorporate this good ol' boy persona into your writing. People move, and become part of the area and community they move to. He has the privilege of a career that allows him to live wherever he wants, not just where he's from or where he finds a job, for a significant portion of the year. That said, it stood out to me and it drives me nuts too. C'mon, Jon, especially in a 140 character "good bye letter" to a very northeastern fanbase.
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Post by ianrs on Dec 10, 2014 11:19:39 GMT -5
This was a long con by Lester's group. Good for them. Some of us were able to see right through it, some of us weren't. In the end, they got what they wanted both money wise and reputation wise. But in the end it makes me think of Lester as a greasy slimeball. No one would have faulted him for taking the money, but he goes and takes the money then he makes the Red Sox the bad guys too? Seriously, screw him. If you can't see through it then, that's on you. Jesus man, get off the cliff. Stop being a homer for one second, think with some logic, and tell me if you could turn down 20 million dollars. Or $40 million less if you consider SF. Not to mention a chance at breaking a 100+ year World Series drought.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 10, 2014 11:22:25 GMT -5
I don't fault Lester one bit for taking the offer. What pisses me off what the whole PR campaign that they had led against the Red Sox FO. It's pathetic and so transparent to some.
In the end, I'm glad we aren't paying him $26M per year.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 10, 2014 11:22:59 GMT -5
Can we all agree that his faux Texas redneck thing from a kid who grew up in Washington is annoying? We get that you hung out with Texas rednecks Beckett and Lackey, and adopted their love of country music and huntin' with the little man, but please don't go out of your way to incorporate this good ol' boy persona into your writing. People move, and become part of the area and community they move to. He has the privilege of a career that allows him to live wherever he wants, not just where he's from or where he finds a job, for a significant portion of the year. That said, it stood out to me and it drives me nuts too. C'mon, Jon, especially in a 140 character "good bye letter" to a very northeastern fanbase. Why does he have to say anything to Boston fans at this point? Are you all seriously so blatantly entitled? He didn't leave Boston to go to Chicago, he left Oakland. He took out a pull page article in the Globe in August, that's when the chapter ended. HE OWES BOSTON NOTHING.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 10, 2014 11:24:07 GMT -5
Jesus man, get off the cliff. Stop being a homer for one second, think with some logic, and tell me if you could turn down 20 million dollars. Or $40 million less if you consider SF. Not to mention a chance at breaking a 100+ year World Series drought. Seriously, wasn't the idea of ending Boston's drought one of the selling point for Schilling? Also, the Cubs are poised to be pretty damn good in the coming years.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2014 11:26:02 GMT -5
To be fair to Lester, Boston's best offer was $20m less and lacked a seventh year vesting option, yet it apparently was still in the running until the very end. He apparently preferred Boston's 6/$135m offer over San Francisco's 7/$168m offer. Every indication suggests that he did take into account some notion of a hometown discount. The difference was that that hometown discount was outweighed by $20m and a vesting seventh year option from another team that he also found attractive (due to the front office, the narrative, etc), which seems perfectly reasonable. Or maybe we just got completely played because Red Sox fans' perception of Lester was very important to him. He got exactly what he wanted in free agency and it did not include staying in Boston. In fact he even said a few months ago that $20 million at that level of a contract didn't mean anything to him. He went so far out of his way to protect himself from being called greedy or disloyal to Boston. He got to play the "disrespected" card. He got to say he didn't take the biggest offer. He got to say that the Red Sox just weren't as committed to him as the Cubs. He is blameless and Sox fans will love him forever even though he left the team for money and no other reason. Maybe the only thing he would have preferred is that the Red Sox were the team who offered him a contract that indicates he is the same pitcher he was in 2014 every single season of his career.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2014 11:29:06 GMT -5
I don't fault Lester one bit for taking the offer. What pisses me off what the whole PR campaign that they had led against the Red Sox FO. It's pathetic and so transparent to some. In the end, I'm glad we aren't paying him $26M per year. I've got to agree. He was extremely worried about being called greedy or disloyal by Red Sox fans. Every single leaked rumor was intended to prevent that. I bet it really came down between the Giants and Cubs and the Cubs offered more after taxes, but they had to make it seem like his heart was being torn apart.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 10, 2014 11:29:22 GMT -5
To be fair to Lester, Boston's best offer was $20m less and lacked a seventh year vesting option, yet it apparently was still in the running until the very end. He apparently preferred Boston's 6/$135m offer over San Francisco's 7/$168m offer. Every indication suggests that he did take into account some notion of a hometown discount. The difference was that that hometown discount was outweighed by $20m and a vesting seventh year option from another team that he also found attractive (due to the front office, the narrative, etc), which seems perfectly reasonable. Or maybe we just got completely played because Red Sox fans' perception of Lester was very important to him. He got exactly what he wanted in free agency and it did not include staying in Boston. In fact he even said a few months ago that $20 million at that level of a contract didn't mean anything to him. He went so far out of his way to protect himself from being called greedy or disloyal to Boston. He got to play the "disrespected" card. He got to say he didn't take the biggest offer. He got to say that the Red Sox just weren't as committed to him as the Cubs. He is blameless and Sox fans will love him forever even though he left the team for money and no other reason. Maybe the only thing he would have preferred is that the Red Sox were the team who offered him a contract that indicates he is the same pitcher he was in 2014 every single season of his career. Not to mention, it was easy spin for his agents to say it came down to Boston vs. Chicago after he decided to take the Cubs offer. Then again, some of us can see through the PR and some can't.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2014 11:30:20 GMT -5
Not to mention a chance at breaking a 100+ year World Series drought. Seriously, wasn't the idea of ending Boston's drought one of the selling point for Schilling? Also, the Cubs are poised to be pretty damn good in the coming years. You really believe this crap? They offered the most money (after taxes), the end.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 10, 2014 11:32:38 GMT -5
Seriously, wasn't the idea of ending Boston's drought one of the selling point for Schilling? Also, the Cubs are poised to be pretty damn good in the coming years. You really believe this crap? They offered the most money (after taxes), the end. I believe Lester took the best deal in a situation that he was comfortable with. Both things he should've done.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 10, 2014 11:36:11 GMT -5
Seriously, wasn't the idea of ending Boston's drought one of the selling point for Schilling? Also, the Cubs are poised to be pretty damn good in the coming years. You really believe this crap? They offered the most money (after taxes), the end. Just like the Red Sox offering Schilling a 2 year extension with a 3rd option year in order to convince him to waive his no trade. The extension that made him the 15th highest paid player in baseball in 2005 and T25th highest paid in 2006.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2014 11:36:48 GMT -5
You really believe this crap? They offered the most money (after taxes), the end. I believe Lester took the best deal in a situation that he was comfortable with. Both things he should've done. Let's skip the World Series drought nonsense. I really don't think he was any more or less likely to re-sign in Boston if we were at a 96 year drought and the Cubs won a WS last season.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 10, 2014 11:38:26 GMT -5
I do believe that money being equal, Lester would have chose to play here over Chicago.
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Post by bsout2 on Dec 10, 2014 11:38:50 GMT -5
Everyone on here sounds like a bunch of cry babies. Lester has no ties to Boston, he was born across the country and lives in Georgia. He was offered a SUBSTANTIAL amount more money to sign with the Cubs. To turn that money down would be stupid and irresponsible.
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