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2015 Official Spring Training thread
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 23, 2015 11:08:53 GMT -5
The team has absolutely loaded up on relief pitchers. Given the extreme year-to-year variability of bullpen arms, this is the way to go about this, I believe. Lots of options, and they'll probably let it all sort out during spring training. Maybe Boggs is one part of that puzzle. In reality the it's six guys for four spots. Layne, Breslow, Ogando, Boggs, Ross, Vavarro. One of those guys will have to be cut and one of them will have to start the season in the minors as three of those players have options. Not necessarily ... Spruill's in the mix here, too. If Boggs looks like he's back, he and Spruill seem pretty redundant and Zeke could be the one to get cut, with Layne getting sent to AAA.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 11:14:54 GMT -5
So Workman doesn't even have a chance? Will he be closing at AAA?
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 23, 2015 11:24:51 GMT -5
He might be wearing a different uniform, although maybe until later in the year
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2015 17:01:20 GMT -5
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Post by moonstone2 on Feb 23, 2015 19:34:53 GMT -5
In reality the it's six guys for four spots. Layne, Breslow, Ogando, Boggs, Ross, Vavarro. One of those guys will have to be cut and one of them will have to start the season in the minors as three of those players have options. Not necessarily ... Spruill's in the mix here, too. If Boggs looks like he's back, he and Spruill seem pretty redundant and Zeke could be the one to get cut, with Layne getting sent to AAA. Spruill could be cut if they need a 40 spot and want to keep Layne but I don't think he's in the mix to be on the roster absent injuries or a trade because he's right hande.. I honestly believe that Spruill is a better pitcher than Layne however.
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Post by moonstone2 on Feb 23, 2015 19:46:09 GMT -5
So Workman doesn't even have a chance? Will he be closing at AAA? No chance absent an injury. Same problem as Spruill, right handed with options and doesn't have the track record or stuff Ogando and Ross have.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 23, 2015 20:24:40 GMT -5
Steve Silva ?@stevesilva 23m23 minutes ago Breaking: David Ortiz is here in Fort Myers, new haircut, great mood, and in terrific shape #redsox #worst2firstround2
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 23, 2015 20:29:26 GMT -5
Not necessarily ... Spruill's in the mix here, too. If Boggs looks like he's back, he and Spruill seem pretty redundant and Zeke could be the one to get cut, with Layne getting sent to AAA. Spruill could be cut if they need a 40 spot and want to keep Layne but I don't think he's in the mix to be on the roster absent injuries or a trade because he's right hande.. I honestly believe that Spruill is a better pitcher than Layne however. Oh, I agree with all of that ... just pointing out that Spruill's in the mix, too. I'd probably keep him over Layne, but it's not something I'm going to waste much time worrying about, honestly.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 24, 2015 0:31:08 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 24, 2015 7:07:10 GMT -5
Is there a way to download an MP3 of the podcasts ?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 24, 2015 7:31:09 GMT -5
Al is a nice guy. I disagree strongly with the idea that Betts was immediately a very good outfielder though. His reads weren't great early on, although he wasn't a butcher or anything. There was a lot of learning happening during those first months. He could become a reliably plus outfielder, and perhaps could be out of the box this year, but to assume he will be is a little bit aggressive, in my opinion. Completely agree. I only saw him in person once last year (Pawtucket vs Charlotte) and on TV like most here. He was OK in CF for the game I attended, but it was easy to see he was learning the position. Alex Hassan was coaching him up during the game on things like which base he should be throwing to depending on how hard the ball was hit to him. He was, decent in his routes to balls, but his raw athleticism gives him a margin for error.
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Post by mattpicard on Feb 24, 2015 7:36:24 GMT -5
Is there a way to download an MP3 of the podcasts ? Yup. Just open the Podcast here in your web browser, and go to File > Save (or Control-S). It should automatically save to your downloads folder as an mp3 file.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 24, 2015 8:00:28 GMT -5
Is there a way to download an MP3 of the podcasts ? Yup. Just open the Podcast here in your web browser, and go to File > Save (or Control-S). It should automatically save to your downloads folder as an mp3 file. Great thanks, saving it now. When you have kids, it's easier to use the MP3 version to replay something. I think the technical term is podcastis interuptus or something to that effect.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 24, 2015 9:27:20 GMT -5
Yup. Just open the Podcast here in your web browser, and go to File > Save (or Control-S). It should automatically save to your downloads folder as an mp3 file. Great thanks, saving it now. When you have kids, it's easier to use the MP3 version to replay something. I think the technical term is podcastis interuptus or something to that effect. If you subscribe on iTunes, you can have it automatically download every episode.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Feb 24, 2015 10:43:57 GMT -5
Great thanks, saving it now. When you have kids, it's easier to use the MP3 version to replay something. I think the technical term is podcastis interuptus or something to that effect. If you subscribe on iTunes, you can have it automatically download every episode. If that not an option then you can use this link feeds2.feedburner.com/templeusoxspodcast
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 24, 2015 15:00:30 GMT -5
Don't know how to embed
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Post by RedSoxStats on Feb 24, 2015 15:24:14 GMT -5
Looks like Miguel Pena was released
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 24, 2015 15:50:40 GMT -5
Looks like Miguel Pena was released Good call. Per milb.com transactions, for those wondering.
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Post by raindelay on Feb 24, 2015 18:30:38 GMT -5
Two things to look for in camp. 1. Mike Napoli is in great shape, lost weight and is jacked. The guy wants to keep his job. 2. Shane Victorino was taking BP left handed today. He could feel that his back issues no longer impedes him from batting left handed.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 24, 2015 20:18:33 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 25, 2015 0:20:22 GMT -5
The depth chart at 3B is going to stretch all the way to China...
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 25, 2015 1:15:34 GMT -5
Re Victorino, the unanswered (unasked?) question is: are they willing to use Betts as Pedroia's backup at 2B, and HanRam as Sandoval's backup at 3B? I don't see a compelling argument against either. And if you do, it's trivial to get Shane Victorino 100 starts, even if everyone stays healthy.
Pedroia 150 Betts 150: 62 in RF, 54 LF, 22 CF, 12 2B HanRam 145: 96 LF, 27 DH (all versus LHP), 22 3B (ditto) Castillo 140 Sandoval 140 Napoli 140 Ortiz 135 (plus entering many or most other games once opponents go to RHR) Victorino 100 Nava 44: 22 1B, 12 LF
You could also do this by having Mookie play 76 in CF and 62 in RF (but no LF), and Castillo play 86 in CF and 54 in LF.
If you pick your spots, you're always going to be a better club with Victorino in RF, Betts in LF, and Hanley at 3B then with Betts in RF and Holt at 3B. Ditto for Victorino in RF and Betts at 2B as opposed to Betts in RF and Holt at 2B.
And of course if it turns out that Victorino is significantly outplaying Castillo (or Betts), you can tweak.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 25, 2015 1:47:30 GMT -5
The team has absolutely loaded up on relief pitchers. Given the extreme year-to-year variability of bullpen arms, this is the way to go about this, I believe. Lots of options, and they'll probably let it all sort out during spring training. Maybe Boggs is one part of that puzzle. In reality the it's six guys for four spots. Layne, Breslow, Ogando, Boggs, Ross, Vavarro. One of those guys will have to be cut and one of them will have to start the season in the minors as three of those players have options. Barring injury, Uehara will close and Tazawa will pitch the 8th. It's nearly as certain that Breslow will at least start the season as the top LHR; they didn't sign him to that contract without a default expectation that he'll be healthy and returning to his 2013 form. I also think that Varvaro is as much of a lock as the dirt-cheap, very good mop-up man (the Badenhop role). If you're in a position where it looks like he's going to be pushed off the roster, it would make more sense to trade one of the guys doing the pushing, since they'd have trade value that he lacks, and would be more valuable pitching high-leverage for some other team than mop-up for us. Ross, Layne, and longshot Dana Eveland (who has neutral splits like Breslow and Ross) are competing for the second LHR job. Another job that appears to be wide open is the 7th inning guy, which could be Mujica, Ogando, or Boggs (with Workman as an extreme longshot). If it's Mujica, Ogando would be useful in a lower-leverage role because he's used to going 2 relief innings at a time; and there's no room for Boggs. If its Boggs, you're trading Mujica and again keeping Ogando in a 6th / 7th inning role. He's making the team unless he's hurt or looks very surprisingly and convincingly bad. The interesting scenario is where Ogando is clearly the guy you want in the 7th. In that case, it hardly seems to make sense to keep Mujica in a mid-low leverage role. You could deal him and open up a spot for Wright or Workman as a long man, or for a third LHR. So I see it as Mujica, Ross, Layne, Boggs, Wright, Eveland, and Workman for two spots, with any combination that includes at least one LHR possible.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 25, 2015 8:00:42 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 1h1 hour ago Florida, USA icymi: w/ hamels talks slowed, would bosox consider lee? also: victorino candidate for phils return cbsprt.co/1ApZHlc Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 1h1 hour ago Florida, USA hear complaints amaro seeks too much for hamels. but agree here with RAJ, swihart or betts should be fair game. #phils I nominate Heyman for Yankees GM. . . .Tim Britton ?@timbritton 11h11 hours ago FYI: If you want Fortnotes* emailed to you with all our Red Sox content in the morning, just sign up here. It's free: bit.ly/1FoeqNb
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Feb 25, 2015 8:20:42 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with RAJ asking for Swihart or Betts as the core of a package for Hamels. It is not entirely unreasonable, as some have characterized.
It is equally reasonable for the Sox to refuse, especially since Hamels may be available over the longer term (well into the season.)
The Sox should use the time they have to sort through the position roster options they have, which are many.
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