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2015 Non-Sox thread
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 24, 2015 19:08:21 GMT -5
Seriously? We don't need that headache with the surplus of young OF's we have
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 25, 2015 11:51:20 GMT -5
Sale and Shark 5 games each. More than I thought, but still pretty inconsequential. Basically one spot start, hopefully for Rodon.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Apr 25, 2015 13:57:37 GMT -5
I can't see Hamilton being worse than Victorino or Craig have been this year and last year. Even in his decline I think that Hamilton has been better than Victorino and Craig the past few years. I'd almost rather pay Hamilton to not play than to pay to keep putting Victorino and Craig out there. Maybe we could have sent one of them to the Angels in the deal. I just feel that for how much money the Angels have eaten, and no real talk of a return from Texas, that there'd have been more teams in on the action. I'm not at all upset that Boston wasn't in on the action, as we certainly do not need him, but I feel like it was worth a flyer. I think the Rangers now have a few cheap years of Hamilton and he's about a half year younger than Victorino and only a 2-3 years older than Craig and Nava respectively. A reasonably low risk, potential medium return investment in my opinion. And with Victorino gone next year I think that makes the puzzle a little less crowded and right handed dominant. If Ortiz retires we'd just have Sandoval, Nava, and Holt hitting from the left side.
Just my noneducated opinion.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 25, 2015 14:01:19 GMT -5
Hamilton also just had shoulder surgery, so you're probably talking about a guy who has pretty bad contact without the usual power, which had already collapsed from 2 years ago. He's probably not far off of replacement level. No thanks.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Apr 25, 2015 16:18:45 GMT -5
Also with Victorino since going to the DL, this could give Brentz an opportunity to show us what he's made of.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 25, 2015 19:35:09 GMT -5
Happy Birthday Phanatic... the Phillies don't have much but they do have the best mascot in MLB.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 26, 2015 7:12:34 GMT -5
I can't see Hamilton being worse than Victorino or Craig have been this year and last year. Even in his decline I think that Hamilton has been better than Victorino and Craig the past few years. I'd almost rather pay Hamilton to not play than to pay to keep putting Victorino and Craig out there. Maybe we could have sent one of them to the Angels in the deal. I just feel that for how much money the Angels have eaten, and no real talk of a return from Texas, that there'd have been more teams in on the action. I'm not at all upset that Boston wasn't in on the action, as we certainly do not need him, but I feel like it was worth a flyer. I think the Rangers now have a few cheap years of Hamilton and he's about a half year younger than Victorino and only a 2-3 years older than Craig and Nava respectively. A reasonably low risk, potential medium return investment in my opinion. And with Victorino gone next year I think that makes the puzzle a little less crowded and right handed dominant. If Ortiz retires we'd just have Sandoval, Nava, and Holt hitting from the left side. Just my noneducated opinion. I'd rather have lung cancer than pancreatic cancer but that's not a reason to start smoking.
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Post by bsout2 on Apr 26, 2015 8:38:40 GMT -5
Wainwright appears done for the year.
I think this is bad news from a Red Sox perspective. The Cardinals have proven to be aggressive in the trade market during past seasons. I think you can count on them go after one of the better starters on the market this summer.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Apr 26, 2015 13:07:25 GMT -5
I can't see Hamilton being worse than Victorino or Craig have been this year and last year. Even in his decline I think that Hamilton has been better than Victorino and Craig the past few years. I'd almost rather pay Hamilton to not play than to pay to keep putting Victorino and Craig out there. Maybe we could have sent one of them to the Angels in the deal. I just feel that for how much money the Angels have eaten, and no real talk of a return from Texas, that there'd have been more teams in on the action. I'm not at all upset that Boston wasn't in on the action, as we certainly do not need him, but I feel like it was worth a flyer. I think the Rangers now have a few cheap years of Hamilton and he's about a half year younger than Victorino and only a 2-3 years older than Craig and Nava respectively. A reasonably low risk, potential medium return investment in my opinion. And with Victorino gone next year I think that makes the puzzle a little less crowded and right handed dominant. If Ortiz retires we'd just have Sandoval, Nava, and Holt hitting from the left side. Just my noneducated opinion. I'd rather have lung cancer than pancreatic cancer but that's not a reason to start smoking. That would be a more apt analogy if we didn't have either Hamilton/Victorino/Craig and were considering purchasing one of them. If you already have pancreatic cancer (Victorino/Craig) you might want to cover that up with lung cancer? I don't know how to complete your analogy from there. Either way we need to get rid of our pancreatic cancer.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 26, 2015 13:40:23 GMT -5
I'd rather have lung cancer than pancreatic cancer but that's not a reason to start smoking. That would be a more apt analogy if we didn't have either Hamilton/Victorino/Craig and were considering purchasing one of them. If you already have pancreatic cancer (Victorino/Craig) you might want to cover that up with lung cancer? I don't know how to complete your analogy from there. Either way we need to get rid of our pancreatic cancer. Why do we even need to bring up Hamilton? We don't have any need whatsoever for him or Victorino or Craig.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 26, 2015 14:23:19 GMT -5
I'd rather have lung cancer than pancreatic cancer but that's not a reason to start smoking. That would be a more apt analogy if we didn't have either Hamilton/Victorino/Craig and were considering purchasing one of them. If you already have pancreatic cancer (Victorino/Craig) you might want to cover that up with lung cancer? I don't know how to complete your analogy from there. Either way we need to get rid of our pancreatic cancer. The analogy is that the Red Sox should avoid having any of these players. The Red Sox team needs to jettison old broken outfielders, not buy them up.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 27, 2015 1:25:51 GMT -5
Wainwright appears done for the year. I think this is bad news from a Red Sox perspective. The Cardinals have proven to be aggressive in the trade market during past seasons. I think you can count on them go after one of the better starters on the market this summer. They don't have the assets to compete with the Sox in a deal though. Fewer buyers are better, but I can't see them beating the Sox if they really want someone.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 27, 2015 14:52:16 GMT -5
Saltalamacchia returns from paternity leave... immediately gets DFAed.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 27, 2015 16:02:20 GMT -5
In my original post (why weren't we in on him) I really meant..... Hamilton with his problems and all is still a great deal at 15M over 4 years with huge upside at that price, seeing as Craig will be making 26M over the next three years + the buyout of his option.
That has since changes to less than 7M for the Rangers, with a 2016 opt out. Per MLB trade rumors. He had a 113 wRC+ last year, and they already know about the luggage he has. Great move by the Rangers.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 27, 2015 16:55:43 GMT -5
Not every move that seems like good value or might bring improvement makes sense for a team or is something they should do.
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Post by nomar on Apr 27, 2015 17:41:11 GMT -5
Poor Salty. It's going to be tough for him to find a good spot. You have to bank on fixing his bat, and his glove is a detriment so his leash is going to be crazy short to the point where he may not get enough playing time to find his stride at the plate.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 27, 2015 17:49:30 GMT -5
In my original post (why weren't we in on him) I really meant..... Hamilton with his problems and all is still a great deal at 15M over 4 years with huge upside at that price, seeing as Craig will be making 26M over the next three years + the buyout of his option. That has since changes to less than 7M for the Rangers, with a 2016 opt out. Per MLB trade rumors. He had a 113 wRC+ last year, and they already know about the luggage he has. Great move by the Rangers. Gee, we could have traded with the Yankees and gotten A-Rod................. Don't want problems or potential problems. We have enough issues to deal with in our own house.
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Post by nomar on Apr 27, 2015 17:56:15 GMT -5
In my original post (why weren't we in on him) I really meant..... Hamilton with his problems and all is still a great deal at 15M over 4 years with huge upside at that price, seeing as Craig will be making 26M over the next three years + the buyout of his option. That has since changes to less than 7M for the Rangers, with a 2016 opt out. Per MLB trade rumors. He had a 113 wRC+ last year, and they already know about the luggage he has. Great move by the Rangers. Texas handled his problems very well. Apparently Nolan Ryan is either not as much of a Hamilton hater as people figured, or is less involved than he used to be. But the lack of risk for Texas is crazy. He still wRC+'d 113 last year. More importantly, his road wRC+ was 142. He was always a bat fit in LA's stadium, and had a poor track record there at the time of his signing. That stood out to me at the time. Easy to get in funks and fall off when you play half of a game at a place where you struggle. I think Texas just stole a 3 WAR player from a division rival. And for all the drama Hamilton brings, I think potentially helping Texas was a dumb way of getting rid of that problem for LAA.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 27, 2015 17:59:21 GMT -5
Reportedly the Angels had a better trade lined up to an NL team, but Hamilton has a full no-trade clause and he wanted to go to Texas.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 27, 2015 22:49:42 GMT -5
Hamilton's off-field problems have nothing to do with why the Red Sox shouldn't acquire him. While maybe there is some upside there, he's expensive, he's probably going to continue to decline, and the team already has more outfielders than it knows what to do with. Is Hamilton certainly better than Rusney Castillo? If not (and I say he isn't), then he doesn't fit the team.
The biggest difference between Hamilton and Victorino right now is that Victorino has been able to get on the field to show everyone how old he looks.
I wish him luck in Texas. It seems like there's a much better support system there than LA, and I've had friends and family members who have struggled with addiction. It's an awful disease.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 1:39:26 GMT -5
At least 50% of $100 million baseball deals are failures. Depending on your political stripe, perhaps you'd rather see such money given to the poor or used to fund a ground assault of Grenada. Either way, it would be put to better use than this:
Giancarlo Stanton Miami Marlins $325,000,000 Miguel Cabrera Detroit Tigers $292,000,000 Alex Rodriguez New York Yankees $275,000,000 Fail Alex Rodriguez Texas Rangers $252,000,000 Fail Robinson Cano Seattle Mariners $240,000,000 Albert Pujols Los Angeles Angels $240,000,000 Fail Joey Votto Cincinnati Reds $225,000,000 Clayton Kershaw Los Angeles Dodgers $215,000,000 Prince Fielder Detroit Tigers $214,000,000 Fail Max Scherzer Washington Nationals $210,000,000 Derek Jeter New York Yankees $189,000,000 Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins $184,000,000 Fail Mark Teixeira New York Yankees $180,000,000 Fail Justin Verlander Detroit Tigers $180,000,000 Félix Hernández Seattle Mariners $175,000,000 Buster Posey San Francisco Giants $167,000,000 CC Sabathia New York Yankees $161,000,000 Fail Matt Kemp Los Angeles Dodgers $160,000,000 Fail Manny Ramírez Boston Red Sox $160,000,000 Troy Tulowitzki Colorado Rockies $157,750,000 Fail Jon Lester Chicago Cubs $155,000,000 Masahiro Tanaka New York Yankees $155,000,000 Fail Adrián González Boston Red Sox $154,000,000 Jacoby Ellsbury New York Yankees $153,000,000 Fail Miguel Cabrera Detroit Tigers $152,300,000 Todd Helton Colorado Rockies $151,500,000 Zack Greinke Los Angeles Dodgers $147,000,000 Mike Trout Los Angeles Angels $144,500,000 Cole Hamels Philadelphia Phillies $144,000,000 Carl Crawford Boston Red Sox $142,000,000 Fail David Wright New York Mets $138,000,000 Johan Santana New York Mets $137,500,000 Fail Alfonso Soriano Chicago Cubs $136,000,000 Fail Freddie Freeman Atlanta Braves $135,000,000 Shin-Soo Choo Texas Rangers $130,000,000 Fail Vernon Wells Toronto Blue Jays $126,000,000 Fail Jayson Werth Washington Nationals $126,000,000 Barry Zito San Francisco Giants $126,000,000 Fail Josh Hamilton Los Angeles Angels $125,000,000 Fail Ryan Howard Philadelphia Phillies $125,000,000 Fail Mike Hampton Colorado Rockies $121,000,000 Fail Elvis Andrus Texas Rangers $120,000,000 Fail Jason Giambi New York Yankees $120,000,000 Fail Matt Holliday St. Louis Cardinals $120,000,000 Cliff Lee Philadelphia Phillies $120,000,000 Fail Carlos Beltrán New York Mets $119,000,000 Fail Ken Griffey, Jr. Cincinnati Reds $116,500,000 Matt Cain San Francisco Giants $112,500,000 Fail José Reyes Miami Marlins $106,000,000 Homer Bailey Cincinnati Reds $105,000,000 Ryan Braun Milwaukee Brewers $105,000,000 Fail Kevin Brown Los Angeles Dodgers $105,000,000 Fail Carlos Lee Houston Astros $100,000,000 Fail Evan Longoria Tampa Bay Rays $100,000,000 Dustin Pedroia Boston Red Sox $100,000,000 Albert Pujols St. Louis Cardinals $100,000,000 Kyle Seager Seattle Mariners $100,000,000 Ryan Zimmerman Washington Nationals $100,000,000
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 28, 2015 6:45:08 GMT -5
Jose Iglesias' BABIP is in danger of falling below .400, and he didn't help his cause yesterday by hitting a home run, which of course does not count as a ball in play. He did add a single and a triple, however. Iggy's season-to-date WAR is 1.4 (4th in the majors), more than twice that of any Red Sox except Brock Holt, who has 0.8.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 28, 2015 8:40:22 GMT -5
Saltalamacchia returns from paternity leave... immediately gets DFAed. This seems a little off to me. He's pretty much the same player he has always been. What do/did they expect? I remember the argument to sign him last year was 'we can just trade him when Vazquez is ready'.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 28, 2015 8:49:59 GMT -5
Saltalamacchia returns from paternity leave... immediately gets DFAed. This seems a little off to me. He's pretty much the same player he has always been. What do/did they expect? I remember the argument to sign him last year was 'we can just trade him when Vazquez is ready'. If you compare 2011-2013 to 2014-2015, he lost about 70 points of ISO while striking out slightly more. He has also been grounding into a lot more double plays than he used to. Oh and pitchers hate him apparently: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/marlins-dump-jarrod-saltalamacchia/
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 28, 2015 9:23:03 GMT -5
Saltalamacchia returns from paternity leave... immediately gets DFAed. This seems a little off to me. He's pretty much the same player he has always been. What do/did they expect? I remember the argument to sign him last year was 'we can just trade him when Vazquez is ready'. Plus, I'd be willing to bet Realmuto is the better catcher moving forward.
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