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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 31, 2015 17:56:38 GMT -5
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Post by ray88h66 on May 31, 2015 17:57:29 GMT -5
Farrell absolutely is one of the "main" problems. The idea that people can suggest otherwise is truly mind boggling. He continues to put terrible lineups out there. He is horrific at managing in-game. He mismanages the pen game in and game out. He bunts more than once in a blue moon. He has no clue when to be aggressive and when to be conservative. etc. At this point, the only thing he does half decently is talk to the media. I'm tired of defending a manager I'm not a fan of but how many games do you think he's lost? The old rule of thumb is a good manager can win a 2 to 4 games a year and a bad manager can lose as many. 50 games in the difference between great and awful is only a few games. Give the sox the best manager in the game and they are still bad. If you think the manager is more important than that we just won't agree.
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Post by soup888 on May 31, 2015 17:59:17 GMT -5
He's been horrible but Cherington and baseball ops has set the team up to fail.
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Post by atzar on May 31, 2015 17:59:50 GMT -5
I don't even understand some of the things being said in this thread.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 31, 2015 18:00:40 GMT -5
Interesting to see that Sandoval is skating on this one. Guy makes a friggen routine play and we win. I mean he probably could have 4 errors in the last 2 games.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 31, 2015 18:00:58 GMT -5
I don't even understand some of the things being said in this thread. How bout this? This ship be sinking!!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 31, 2015 18:01:30 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, that loss could come in handy at the end of a season when we're in a dog fight for a top 5 pick
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Post by moonstone2 on May 31, 2015 18:06:08 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, that loss could come in handy at the end of a season when we're in a dog fight for a top 5 pick Which they will promptly squander. I am sorry but Ben Cherrington continues to think that if he throws big money at veterans the team will win. It never works and creates serious problems. Ben needs to accept that the team's problems run deep and can't be solved by signing name free agents.
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Post by amfox1 on May 31, 2015 18:06:41 GMT -5
Let's blame the manager. Let's blame the GM. Let's blame the hitting coach.
I bet if we fire Cherington and Farrell, everything will magically turn around, even though there is no sense that the players have tuned Farrell out.
Farrell won't be fired unless Cherington is fired, and Cherington won't be fired (if at all) until the offseason. The Red Sox have not fired a manager midseason since Jimy Williams fourteen years ago and have never fired a GM midseason. Farrell is Cherington's guy, and Cherington is the owners' guy. Not going to happen. Whine all you want, but it's not happening.
Blame the players. They're underperforming.
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Post by grandsalami on May 31, 2015 18:07:31 GMT -5
Let's blame the manager. Let's blame the GM. Let's blame the hitting coach. I bet if we fire Cherington and Farrell, everything will magically turn around, even though there is no sense that the players have tuned Farrell out. Farrell won't be fired unless Cherington is fired, and Cherington won't be fired (if at all) until the offseason. The Red Sox have not fired a manager midseason since Jimy Williams fourteen years ago and have never fired a GM midseason. Farrell is Cherington's guy, and Cherington is the owners' guy. Not going to happen. Whine all you want, but it's not happening. Blame the players. They're underperforming. Yup
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Post by mgoetze on May 31, 2015 18:11:54 GMT -5
Farrell is Cherington's guy How do you know this?
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Post by ray88h66 on May 31, 2015 18:13:22 GMT -5
I don't even understand some of the things being said in this thread. How bout this? This ship be sinking!! No SOS needed for a ship that never left dry dock. We might need a plank for all the fans that want the manager at the bottom of the sea.
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Post by charliezink16 on May 31, 2015 18:16:33 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, that loss could come in handy at the end of a season when we're in a dog fight for a top 5 pick They've even taken the fun out of losing. Everyone knows that our bad seasons will only result in the #7 pick and a below average draft class.
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Post by nomar on May 31, 2015 18:16:38 GMT -5
Everyone deserves blame, that's obvious. A new manager won't just make this a good team. But I don't think Farrell is the long term answer at manager. They can wait to get rid of him until the offseason, but he'll certainly be gone if we don't drastically improve.
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Post by charliezink16 on May 31, 2015 18:23:56 GMT -5
May 1 - May 30: 4SB May 31: 4SB
ADD: Also a whopping 5 sac flies on the month. We get runners on base, they just sit there.
ADD #2: I'll only support firing Farrell if it means making Varitek our next manager. I really don't think firing him is the solution to our problems though. Nor do I think firing Ben is.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 31, 2015 18:31:20 GMT -5
can anyone name the last pitching coach to excel at managing? Pitching coaches like to see hitters make outs, so subconsciously they sabotage their own players.
Hows that for pulling a new one of nowhere?
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Post by nomar on May 31, 2015 18:36:16 GMT -5
May 1 - May 30: 4SB May 31: 4SB ADD: Also a whopping 5 sac flies on the month. We get runners on base, they just sit there. We don't get runners on base actually. Were among the worst in baseball in that category. A lot of quick and painless innings for starters. Boston used to be known for grinding out its ABs. Outside of Napoli, not many of our players see a lot of pitches it seems.
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Post by grandsalami on May 31, 2015 18:39:14 GMT -5
“@peteabe: #RedSox were 1-6 on the road trip and lost 1.5 games in the standings. ALOL East”
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Post by mgoetze on May 31, 2015 18:39:26 GMT -5
Scott Lauber @scottlauber · 4m4 minutes ago
Farrell on walking Fielder, pitching to Hamilton: "We'll take a chance with guy coming off the bench versus a guy in the rhythm of the game"
Uhm, yeah, but what about the slight matter of the winning run being already on the bases then?
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Post by iakovos11 on May 31, 2015 18:48:41 GMT -5
Scott Lauber @scottlauber · 4m4 minutes ago Farrell on walking Fielder, pitching to Hamilton: "We'll take a chance with guy coming off the bench versus a guy in the rhythm of the game" Uhm, yeah, but what about the slight matter of the winning run being already on the bases then? Uh, uh, yeah, . . . . I didn't think about that.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 31, 2015 18:56:47 GMT -5
Scott Lauber @scottlauber · 4m4 minutes ago Farrell on walking Fielder, pitching to Hamilton: "We'll take a chance with guy coming off the bench versus a guy in the rhythm of the game" Uhm, yeah, but what about the slight matter of the winning run being already on the bases then? The game is probably over if it goes to extras. We've got Breslow and Barnes left in the pen. I'd rather try to get Hamilton given his s few at bats. While Fatso has been red-hot.
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Post by johnmark on May 31, 2015 19:00:08 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, that loss could come in handy at the end of a season when we're in a dog fight for a top 5 pick They've even taken the fun out of losing. Everyone knows that our bad seasons will only result in the #7 pick and a below average draft class. I am confident that BC can find us the next Trey Ball at #7 in 2016.
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Post by nomar on May 31, 2015 19:05:32 GMT -5
Scott Lauber @scottlauber · 4m4 minutes ago Farrell on walking Fielder, pitching to Hamilton: "We'll take a chance with guy coming off the bench versus a guy in the rhythm of the game" Uhm, yeah, but what about the slight matter of the winning run being already on the bases then? The game is probably over if it goes to extras. We've got Breslow and Barnes left in the pen. I'd rather try to get Hamilton given his s few at bats. While Fatso has been red-hot. Regardless of how afraid anyone was to face Fielder, statistics have shown that you'd still be better off not putting the winning run on. He went with his gut over statistical evidence, per usual, and paid for it in this instance. That's what happened. Justify it however you want.
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Post by mgoetze on May 31, 2015 19:06:33 GMT -5
The game is probably over if it goes to extras. We've got Breslow and Barnes left in the pen. I'd rather try to get Hamilton given his s few at bats. While Fatso has been red-hot. That's as may be, but it's not like Fielder is going to automatically get a hit against Uehara. I mean, sure, Uehara is pretty old and all, but I'd even give him at least some chance to get Mike Trout out, nevermind Prince Fielder. It's true that the bullpen situation was not ideal, but a tie game is still better than a lost game. Uehara had had 3 days rest, I would ask him to go 2 innings. Wright could probably have contributed a couple of innings. The offense could score 2 and then you could hope Breslow only gives one back. And if really really necessary you could have just put in Buchholz.
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Post by danr on May 31, 2015 19:16:30 GMT -5
Firing the manager, as much as it probably is deserved, is not going to solve the problems with the Sox. There just are too many of them, and many that most of us did not anticipate - nor did Sox management. The team is bad in virtually every aspect of the game. And it is a team effort. None of the veterans is playing to the level expected by past performance. Actually the best players are the youngsters - along with Pedroia. But even Pedroia is not the same player he was.
So how does such a deeply flawed team get fixed? Right now I don't have a single idea that would help to put the team back in contention. Too many things need to be fixed at the same time.
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