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Post by mgoetze on Jan 28, 2016 23:00:10 GMT -5
2. I'd love Shaw being used in a role similar to Carp in 2013. As long as Shaw in 2017 isn't like Carp in 2014...
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jan 28, 2016 23:50:42 GMT -5
2. I'd love Shaw being used in a role similar to Carp in 2013. As long as Shaw in 2017 isn't like Carp in 2014... That's why I had to specify, haha.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 3, 2016 8:24:13 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 3, 2016 8:55:10 GMT -5
As rare as it is to have had 22 year old stars, we actually have 5 prospects with 70 or 80 'ceilings' (using SP range rankings) who could reasonably be full time players in their age 22 season. Benintendi 21 Moncada 20 Devers and Kopech 19 Espinoza 17
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2016 8:19:45 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Feb 4, 2016 12:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2016 13:48:13 GMT -5
Jeez, suggesting that Porcello could turn into the same pitcher as Wainwright is such a February type of article. But it's a good case. I have high hopes for him this year. If he just pitches the way he did in the 2nd half all year, he'll be worth way more than his contract.
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Post by jmei on Feb 4, 2016 13:56:21 GMT -5
The author explicitly notes that he's not saying Porcello will be the next Wainwright. He's just saying that Porcello's curveball now moves a lot like Wainwright's does.
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2016 15:34:34 GMT -5
Well if that's close to true then our rotation will have a pretty darn good top.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2016 15:40:34 GMT -5
The author explicitly notes that he's not saying Porcello will be the next Wainwright. He's just saying that Porcello's curveball now moves a lot like Wainwright's does. It's hard not to latch on to the "Wainwright was 27 when he broke out and Porcello just turned 27." sentiment in addition to the other comparisons. He knew what he was doing when he wrote it even with the clarifications.
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Post by jmei on Feb 4, 2016 15:51:16 GMT -5
The author explicitly notes that he's not saying Porcello will be the next Wainwright. He's just saying that Porcello's curveball now moves a lot like Wainwright's does. It's hard not to latch on to the "Wainwright was 27 when he broke out and Porcello just turned 27." sentiment in addition to the other comparisons. He knew what he was doing when he wrote it even with the clarifications. ...right, which is why he added two paragraphs of disclaimers, which you promptly ignored.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2016 15:55:05 GMT -5
I didn't, but ok. Those are the clarifications I was talking about. That's why I used the words 'suggesting he could' instead of 'he will'.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 4, 2016 17:19:52 GMT -5
Explicitly, he makes the point that Wainright's cutter is a superior pitch to Porcello's fastball, but that the curveball from both pitchers is quite similar. The former's richer repertoire can't be ignored. He asks us to make what we will of the similarity in their curves given that Wainright has one of the best in the majors.
Porcello has some chops as we saw at the end of the last season. Let's see what he does here on out.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 4, 2016 17:45:43 GMT -5
Literally taken from the article:
"The point isn’t that Rick Porcello turned into Adam Wainwright when nobody noticed. The point is simply that Rick Porcello’s curveball has evolved into something extremely similar to Adam Wainwright’s curveball. You can choose how much to make of that. If nothing else, it’s something to watch for."
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 4, 2016 18:20:18 GMT -5
Here's to hoping for one of two outcomes for his new offseason program; A). The new program actually improves his health over the season B). The Placebo effect
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2016 18:23:21 GMT -5
Literally taken from the article: "The point isn’t that Rick Porcello turned into Adam Wainwright when nobody noticed. The point is simply that Rick Porcello’s curveball has evolved into something extremely similar to Adam Wainwright’s curveball. You can choose how much to make of that. If nothing else, it’s something to watch for." Yes, but the point of comparing Porcello to Wainwright is to compare them as pitchers and how Porcello might become Wainwright, no matter how much he says he's not doing it. "Obviously there is no possible way that Espinoza will be as good as Pedro, but here are 18 ways that they're similar." It makes people excited. A lot of people get excited and decide to believe what they want and ignore all of the caveats. And more people read the blog because it has an exciting headline.
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2016 18:45:09 GMT -5
April plz
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Post by telson13 on Feb 4, 2016 22:27:46 GMT -5
Literally taken from the article: "The point isn’t that Rick Porcello turned into Adam Wainwright when nobody noticed. The point is simply that Rick Porcello’s curveball has evolved into something extremely similar to Adam Wainwright’s curveball. You can choose how much to make of that. If nothing else, it’s something to watch for." It's interesting to note that their FBs have similar velocity and movement, and Porcello has a good CH as well. Also, Wainright had several outstanding seasons before even throwing the cutter. I certainly think it's unrealistic to "expect" Porcello to become Wainright, but I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think he's on the verge of improving significantly as a pitcher. The last CB in that series clearly is slower and has a lot more depth than the first. Porcello's first- and second-half results are quite different. Sparing use of the four-seamer, relying on the sinker, and improving use and command of the CB clearly had some visible effect on his 2015 results. I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll continue his excellent second-half results in 2016. One big advantage he has over Wainright (probably related to the CB) is much better health. They have similar BB/9 rates, too. I definitely think Porcello has the skills, acumen, and work ethic to become a very good pitcher. It's important to remember that, while he's been in the league for seven seasons, he's still **just** entering his prime. Wainright, Arrieta, Cliff Lee, Curt Schilling...lots of guys just need to figure out how to *pitch*, and they take off. Even Pedro, despite awesome pure stuff, had several so-so years before his final stupid-good season in Montreal. Porcello, lacking that pure stuff, has more pieces to put together to become outstanding. I think it's a huge mistake to look at his body of work and simply predict more of the same. He's shown over the years that he can evolve.
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Post by gerry on Feb 5, 2016 19:55:53 GMT -5
Literally taken from the article: "The point isn’t that Rick Porcello turned into Adam Wainwright when nobody noticed. The point is simply that Rick Porcello’s curveball has evolved into something extremely similar to Adam Wainwright’s curveball. You can choose how much to make of that. If nothing else, it’s something to watch for." It's interesting to note that their FBs have similar velocity and movement, and Porcello has a good CH as well. Also, Wainright had several outstanding seasons before even throwing the cutter. I certainly think it's unrealistic to "expect" Porcello to become Wainright, but I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think he's on the verge of improving significantly as a pitcher. The last CB in that series clearly is slower and has a lot more depth than the first. Porcello's first- and second-half results are quite different. Sparing use of the four-seamer, relying on the sinker, and improving use and command of the CB clearly had some visible effect on his 2015 results. I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll continue his excellent second-half results in 2016. One big advantage he has over Wainright (probably related to the CB) is much better health. They have similar BB/9 rates, too. I definitely think Porcello has the skills, acumen, and work ethic to become a very good pitcher. It's important to remember that, while he's been in the league for seven seasons, he's still **just** entering his prime. Wainright, Arrieta, Cliff Lee, Curt Schilling...lots of guys just need to figure out how to *pitch*, and they take off. Even Pedro, despite awesome pure stuff, had several so-so years before his final stupid-good season in Montreal. Porcello, lacking that pure stuff, has more pieces to put together to become outstanding. I think it's a huge mistake to look at his body of work and simply predict more of the same. He's shown over the years that he can evolve. Even 2015 was a clear example of that evolution. For whatever reason, using the 4-seamer for K's, slowing his CB with good resulta, moving away from his cutter and sinker, then getting back to his sinker while improving his CB. He seems very smart and dedicated and, from his recent comments, ready for 2016. I am increasingly excited about this rotation. True Ace, a near Ace (or sometimes Ace) as a #2, evolving Porcello as 3, awesome rookie as 4, and a 5 with huge upside, and solid, MLB-ready depth four deep. This rotation may be average, above average, or surprisingly strong, but the biggest surprise might be if they are not good.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 8, 2016 12:41:10 GMT -5
Gordon Edes @gordonedes 1m1 minute ago Not that anyone is anxious for the season to start, but around 20 Sox players in camp already, including Porcello, Buchholz, Rodriguez
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Post by humanbeingbean on Feb 8, 2016 12:55:43 GMT -5
I've been watching 2015 highlight videos on repeat, and this one is pretty enjoyable:
Love the focus on the young core.
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Post by ryantoworkman on Feb 8, 2016 14:42:50 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. Chomping at the bit for this season to start.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 8, 2016 15:56:38 GMT -5
I've been watching 2015 highlight videos on repeat, and this one is pretty enjoyable: Love the focus on the young core. If you only watched that video you would've never known Panda and Hanley played last season.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Feb 8, 2016 16:29:15 GMT -5
I've been watching 2015 highlight videos on repeat, and this one is pretty enjoyable: Love the focus on the young core. Man thanks for that. Can't wait for the new season to come. Going to be a good year. The Al East battle will probably come down to the last week of the season. So pumped.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 8, 2016 16:33:02 GMT -5
This has been a long and winding road of a thread, but I'm thinking it's probably time to let it die. The point was once ideas to fix a team in last place, but it's become something of a catch-all, and we generally don't love catch-alls here. Even a lot of the germane discussion would be better suited for a different thread than one trying to "fix" the club, at this point, given how much went down this offseason.
Not going to close this, but if you're going to post something in here, make sure it's not better suited for another thread, existing or that should be created.
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