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Post by telson13 on Sept 3, 2015 17:41:15 GMT -5
He should be full grown by now. He is not going to stretch out to be 6'3 -6'4 so dont get your hopes up. There's no knowing what his frame will eventually look like, or whether he's finished. That just isn't the case at 17. This chart shows there's still some potential. Yeah, fwiw while girls are generally done growing height-wise by 16, boys don't really stop until 20-21. Usually the vast majority of growth is from 13-16, but it's not unusual for boys to grow another inch or even two after 17.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Sept 3, 2015 17:44:14 GMT -5
For what it's worth, it looks like rain's in the forecast for a lot of the weekend in Greenville, especially Saturday night. Why Hatfield, why? Such a buzzkill!!
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 3, 2015 17:46:27 GMT -5
I was 5'8 when I was 19. 13 years later I'm about 5'10.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 3, 2015 17:53:25 GMT -5
I really don't want to be negative and I see the reports and the videos and he obviously has velocity and talent but he's still raw as heck. From the video it looked like most of the time he couldn't get his off speed stuff over the plate and was surviving mainly on velocity. No doubt he's getting great initial results and everyone is raving about him so there must be some exceptional talent there. I wouldn't be in a hurry to bring this guy to the majors though for at least 2-3 years.
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Post by burythehammer on Sept 3, 2015 18:03:15 GMT -5
Who is advocating to bring him to the big leagues in less than two years.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Sept 3, 2015 18:26:02 GMT -5
Excited for threads about how he's overrated and why Dombrowski didn't sell high on him when he has three not-awesome starts in a row in the majors in 2018. It's funny that you put Chavis over Espinoza just a few weeks ago isn't it?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 3, 2015 20:07:42 GMT -5
Who is advocating to bring him to the big leagues in less than two years. You said when he will be 20 ( 2 years and 7 months from now ) when you expected him to reach the majors and ianrs said 19. My guess is 22. They should let him develop norm,ally. There is no need to rush this kid. He can get all the way to AA maybe with that fastball but we defeintely want those secondary pitches to fill out with good command.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 3, 2015 20:56:46 GMT -5
I was 5'8 when I was 19. 13 years later I'm about 5'10. I was 5'11" when I was 14. 53 years later, I'm about 5'11". Genetics is a funny thing. The best judgment about Espinoza's further growth potential probably lies somewhere in his family history.
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Post by nomar on Sept 3, 2015 20:59:28 GMT -5
I was 5'8 when I was 19. 13 years later I'm about 5'10. You're on a great pace
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Post by dfwsox on Sept 3, 2015 21:07:18 GMT -5
Yeah ive seen the videos and read the hype ,I'm not a pro scout I'm a construction superintendent but this dude is special and hopefully he fulfills that promise. Hey got to give props to our former gm on the state of the system. Pumped up to see this dude pitch in greeville.
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Post by shaqtus on Sept 3, 2015 22:46:36 GMT -5
Clearly he's a bust; Terminator X (I don't care what anyone else says, that's Xander's nickname) never even needed the GCL.
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Post by shaqtus on Sept 3, 2015 22:49:14 GMT -5
Yeah, fwiw while girls are generally done growing height-wise by 16, boys don't really stop until 20-21. Usually the vast majority of growth is from 13-16, but it's not unusual for boys to grow another inch or even two after 17. Personally, I know my brother grew at least two inches after he graduated high school, and he certainly "filled out" shoulder-width-wise in that time. There's time for him to grow yet.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 4, 2015 0:27:30 GMT -5
Yeah ive seen the videos and read the hype ,I'm not a pro scout I'm a construction superintendent but this dude is special and hopefully he fulfills that promise. Hey got to give props to our former gm on the state of the system. Pumped up to see this dude pitch in greeville. Lucky! Please, pass on your impressions when you do.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 4, 2015 2:35:48 GMT -5
Who is advocating to bring him to the big leagues in less than two years. You said when he will be 20 ( 2 years and 7 months from now ) when you expected him to reach the majors and ianrs said 19. My guess is 22. They should let him develop norm,ally. There is no need to rush this kid. He can get all the way to AA maybe with that fastball but we defeintely want those secondary pitches to fill out with good command. Didn't a scout just say he could pitch in high-A right now? That's exactly what my conservative MLE's said. (Actually, they said he could pitch in AA, but he wouldn't be good there, yet.) Why would it take anyone 5 years to get from high-A to MLB? It's like telling Mozart he should wait till he's in his mid-twenties to start writing symphonies, like everyone else. If he continues like this, he'll debut at 19. Kershaw's scouting raves at age 18 in the GCL were less impressive (as were his results, to the extent they mean anything) and he debuted two years later. King Felix got promoted to low-A at the very end of his age 17 season and he was in MLB two years later, too. There's no guarantee he'll make the expected progress, so for an over / under, 20 is a perfect number.
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Post by burythehammer on Sept 4, 2015 5:50:23 GMT -5
Who is advocating to bring him to the big leagues in less than two years. You said when he will be 20 ( 2 years and 7 months from now ) when you expected him to reach the majors and ianrs said 19. I hate to break it to you but generally a person is 19 for a whole year, so if he's called up exactly two years from now, he'll be...wait for it....19! So, you're fighting a straw man. No one said to call him up in less than two years.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 4, 2015 8:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by dd on Sept 4, 2015 8:40:59 GMT -5
I was 5'8 when I was 19. 13 years later I'm about 5'10. I was 5'11" when I was 14. 53 years later, I'm about 5'11". Genetics is a funny thing. The best judgment about Espinoza's further growth potential probably lies somewhere in his family history. Yes, ASF, but how much have you shrunk from your peak? :-) BTW, I now know you're not ancient. You're a youngster!
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Post by templeusox on Sept 4, 2015 8:59:56 GMT -5
From Alex Speier's article, Ben Crockett presses auto-generate on the generic front office quote machine:
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 4, 2015 9:23:50 GMT -5
From Alex Speier's article, Ben Crockett presses auto-generate on the generic front office quote machine: I'm sure Anderson will enjoy playing at night further north with the temperatures less than 90 degrees. I doubt he will miss the heat we are experiencing in Florida. Never thought about it, but coming from his country....has he ever pitched under the lights?
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 4, 2015 9:51:13 GMT -5
From Alex Speier's article, Ben Crockett presses auto-generate on the generic front office quote machine: I'm sure Anderson will enjoy playing at night further north with the temperatures less than 90 degrees. I doubt he will miss the heat we are experiencing in Florida. Never thought about it, but coming from his country.... has he ever pitched under the lights? ...Let's hope he isn't blinded...
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 4, 2015 11:18:02 GMT -5
You said when he will be 20 ( 2 years and 7 months from now ) when you expected him to reach the majors and ianrs said 19. I hate to break it to you but generally a person is 19 for a whole year, so if he's called up exactly two years from now, he'll be...wait for it....19! So, you're fighting a straw man. No one said to call him up in less than two years. I don't come here to fight. Let me state it with much more precision so that there can be no confusion. I think projecting Espinoza to be in the majors at 19 or 20 years old would be a major mistake. We should give this young person much more time to fine tune their off speed stuff.
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Post by ianrs on Sept 4, 2015 11:20:49 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you but generally a person is 19 for a whole year, so if he's called up exactly two years from now, he'll be...wait for it....19! So, you're fighting a straw man. No one said to call him up in less than two years. I don't come here to fight. Let me state it with much more precision so that there can be no confusion. I think projecting Espinoza to be in the majors at 19 or 20 years old would be a major mistake. We should give this young person much more time to fine tune their off speed stuff. To clarify, I don't think he will get any significant innings at 19, but would likely be a September callup and work some innings out of the bullpen. If he continues on his same developmental track I don't think it's completely out of the question.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 4, 2015 12:02:49 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you but generally a person is 19 for a whole year, so if he's called up exactly two years from now, he'll be...wait for it....19! So, you're fighting a straw man. No one said to call him up in less than two years. I don't come here to fight. Let me state it with much more precision so that there can be no confusion. I think projecting Espinoza to be in the majors at 19 or 20 years old would be a major mistake. We should give this young person much more time to fine tune their off speed stuff. But aren't you basing this on the video above, of just worst GCL start? And why is it a certainty that his offspeed stuff won't develop within two years? Look at the difference between Henry Owens 2012 and Henry Owens 2013, or 2014. And by all accounts, Espinoza is on a whole other level. His progress with his skills will determine his progression through the system. Your calls for a forced slow progression are totally arbitrary. It's one thing to say "this guy looks so good I bet he makes the majors before he turns 20," it's entirely another to say "no matter what happens this kid should spend at least a full year at each of the four remaining levels."
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 4, 2015 12:58:39 GMT -5
I was 5'11" when I was 14. 53 years later, I'm about 5'11". Genetics is a funny thing. The best judgment about Espinoza's further growth potential probably lies somewhere in his family history. Yes, ASF, but how much have you shrunk from your peak? :-) BTW, I now know you're not ancient. You're a youngster![/quote Good catch on the height!!! The tallest I was ever "officially" measured in the doctor's office was 5'11 5/8" in my early 20's. I asked for a measurement as exact as I could get it because I wanted to see if I had reached 6 feet. As far as I know I never got there, and yes, I have begun to shrink. And if you are as old as you feel, I am most assuredly ANCIENT. I am old and grumpy and crotchety. My grandchildren call me Grumpa, and with good reason.
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Post by telluricrook on Sept 4, 2015 13:52:18 GMT -5
Why dont they call him up to Double A what is the worst that can happen? He is just logging innings in games that dont mean anything anyway.
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