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Post by burythehammer on Sept 24, 2015 12:20:38 GMT -5
Can anyone post the comments on Espinoza from BA's top 20 GCL list?
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Post by semsox on Sept 24, 2015 13:01:39 GMT -5
Very little written in the article about him, but Badler is about to have a chat (at 2 PM) discussing the list, so I imagine there will be some interesting comments in that.
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Post by ramireja on Sept 24, 2015 13:05:46 GMT -5
Can anyone post the comments on Espinoza from BA's top 20 GCL list? It might not be that surprising to us that Espinoza was ranked #1, but the GCL was loaded with prospects this year. To have beat out Victor Robles, Kyle Tucker, Daz Cameron, Cornelius Randolph, and Garrett Whitley among others is actually saying something.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 24, 2015 13:40:09 GMT -5
Can anyone post the comments on Espinoza from BA's top 20 GCL list? Not much new except for the (I think?) revelation that Espinoza had a small stress fracture in his right elbow when he signed, which has since healed.
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Post by soxfanatic on Sept 24, 2015 14:38:06 GMT -5
Can anyone post the comments on Espinoza from BA's top 20 GCL list? Not much new except for the (I think?) revelation that Espinoza had a small stress fracture in his right elbow when he signed, which has since healed. Plot twist: The fracture hasn't healed and he actually throws 120 MPH when healthy.
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Post by jmei on Sept 24, 2015 14:45:00 GMT -5
Not much new except for the (I think?) revelation that Espinoza had a small stress fracture in his right elbow when he signed, which has since healed. Plot twist: The fracture hasn't healed and he actually throws 120 MPH when healthy.
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Post by curll on Sept 24, 2015 14:53:50 GMT -5
No, more
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 24, 2015 19:18:13 GMT -5
Back to Back GCL #1s. Rafael Devers last year was GCL #1 (and, of course, 2013 was Austin Meadows). Before them, Hanley Ramirez 02 and Luis Soto 04 as GCL #1 prospects
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Post by RedSoxStats on Sept 26, 2015 8:26:19 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Sept 26, 2015 10:54:57 GMT -5
BA's guys are driving the hype train
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Post by beany24 on Sept 26, 2015 12:04:23 GMT -5
I watched Espinoza this AM at the Twins facility. He went 2 innings and looked good, the Low A Twin's hitters were overmatched. He seemed to be working on his off speed stuff since close to half his pitches were changeups and curves. His FB sat 95-98, CU around 85 and CB at 77. Off speed does need work. Changeups are up in the zone and his curves and sliders roll, he's going to need sharper breaks. But the potential is ridiculous and the arm speed is effortless. Motion is consistent and rarely off balance.
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Post by burythehammer on Sept 26, 2015 12:18:42 GMT -5
I wanna go into cryogenic sleep and have someone wake me up for this kid's Fenway debut.
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Post by nomar on Sept 26, 2015 18:12:10 GMT -5
I wanna go into cryogenic sleep and have someone wake me up for this kid's Fenway debut. I think the newest health care reform will ensure that you have that covered.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 27, 2015 10:30:45 GMT -5
How many innings do people think the Red Sox will let Espinoza throw next year and might that influence what team they place him with? I think he threw about 60 innings this year. If they increase it by about 30 innings next year, he would still be at less than 100. I don't think that is enough to start for the whole year at Greenville. Might they hold him out for the first month or two like they did Moncada this year? Or might they have him pitch in Lowell instead of Greenville? Will they limit his innings per game again next year? I hope they at least increase that limit from 4 to 5 innings per start.
You know they will be careful in how they use him.
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Post by m1keyboots on Sept 27, 2015 11:29:44 GMT -5
How many innings do people think the Red Sox will let Espinoza throw next year and might that influence what team they place him with? I think he threw about 60 innings this year. If they increase it by about 30 innings next year, he would still be at less than 100. I don't think that is enough to start for the whole year at Greenville. Might they hold him out for the first month or two like they did Moncada this year? Or might they have him pitch in Lowell instead of Greenville? Will they limit his innings per game again next year? I hope they at least increase that limit from 4 to 5 innings per start. You know they will be careful in how they use him. Honestly I hope he goes up to Greenville and gets to around 100 innings. As long as he's not at 100 through 15 starts and more like 18, I think hes shown Lowell might be a waste of time. Or just let him pitch in Lowell for a couple weeks and if dominating move him up. Where he is in the organization isnt going to hurt his arm as much as how he's used. Also, I think having spent a full year in the states Greenville won't be too large a lifestyle adjustment. I just would hope he be in warm weather still at tbis point in his career.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 27, 2015 14:21:37 GMT -5
Couple thoughts:
1) They wouldn't have had him finish the year in Greenville if the plan was for him to go to Lowell next year. I think that's pretty clear at this point. His stuff being what it is, Lowell would be an absolute waste of Espinoza's time.
2) When projecting how many innings he'll throw next year, don't forget that it's not like he was sitting around watching until the DSL started. Consider Dedgar Jimenez and Jeffry Fernandez, who jumped from about 50 recorded innings last year to more than 100 this year. I'd guess they'll want to get Espinoza to somewhere between 100 and 120 next year. He might wait in Extended for a few weeks, or have his season cut a little short on the other end though.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Sept 27, 2015 18:00:57 GMT -5
Couple thoughts: 1) They wouldn't have had him finish the year in Greenville if the plan was for him to go to Lowell next year. I think that's pretty clear at this point. His stuff being what it is, Lowell would be an absolute waste of Espinoza's time. 2) When projecting how many innings he'll throw next year, don't forget that it's not like he was sitting around watching until the DSL started. Consider Dedgar Jimenez and Jeffry Fernandez, who jumped from about 50 recorded innings last year to more than 100 this year. I'd guess they'll want to get Espinoza to somewhere between 100 and 120 next year. He might wait in Extended for a few weeks, or have his season cut a little short on the other end though. All of this, plus there is s good chance they limit him to 5 inning starts. 120 IP with 5 inning games gets him pretty close to a full season. Mix in a couple skipped starts and he's there.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 28, 2015 13:00:44 GMT -5
Couple thoughts: 1) They wouldn't have had him finish the year in Greenville if the plan was for him to go to Lowell next year. I think that's pretty clear at this point. His stuff being what it is, Lowell would be an absolute waste of Espinoza's time. 2) When projecting how many innings he'll throw next year, don't forget that it's not like he was sitting around watching until the DSL started. Consider Dedgar Jimenez and Jeffry Fernandez, who jumped from about 50 recorded innings last year to more than 100 this year. I'd guess they'll want to get Espinoza to somewhere between 100 and 120 next year. He might wait in Extended for a few weeks, or have his season cut a little short on the other end though. All of this, plus there is s good chance they limit him to 5 inning starts. 120 IP with 5 inning games gets him pretty close to a full season. Mix in a couple skipped starts and he's there. Yeah, I would think that even though he's a bit younger at the same stage than Owens, Owens's 2012 at Greenville would seem like a reasonable innings-management blueprint for Espinoza (who I'm guessing finishes the year with 3-4 starts in Portland). I would guess 8-10 starts at Greenville, the same in Salem, 5 IP/75-80 pitch limit, a couple skips in dead-arm August, and then the move to Portland to see if he starts 2017 there.
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Post by huskies15 on Sept 28, 2015 18:28:58 GMT -5
All of this, plus there is s good chance they limit him to 5 inning starts. 120 IP with 5 inning games gets him pretty close to a full season. Mix in a couple skipped starts and he's there. Yeah, I would think that even though he's a bit younger at the same stage than Owens, Owens's 2012 at Greenville would seem like a reasonable innings-management blueprint for Espinoza (who I'm guessing finishes the year with 3-4 starts in Portland). I would guess 8-10 starts at Greenville, the same in Salem, 5 IP/75-80 pitch limit, a couple skips in dead-arm August, and then the move to Portland to see if he starts 2017 there. While I would LOVE for that to happen, that seems like a super aggressive movement for an 18 YO. If he continues to dominate like he did the two leagues he pitched in this year great, but I think I would pump the brakes on a Portland cameo appearance next year at this point.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Sept 28, 2015 19:02:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I would think that even though he's a bit younger at the same stage than Owens, Owens's 2012 at Greenville would seem like a reasonable innings-management blueprint for Espinoza (who I'm guessing finishes the year with 3-4 starts in Portland). I would guess 8-10 starts at Greenville, the same in Salem, 5 IP/75-80 pitch limit, a couple skips in dead-arm August, and then the move to Portland to see if he starts 2017 there. While I would LOVE for that to happen, that seems like a super aggressive movement for an 18 YO. If he continues to dominate like he did the two leagues he pitched in this year great, but I think I would pump the brakes on a Portland cameo appearance next year at this point. Its hard to know for sure, because there are no other comps from within the Red Sox organization, but Julio Urias is ending this year in AAA and is a year ahead of Espinoza. It is very possible he's in AA to end next season.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 29, 2015 1:58:14 GMT -5
While I would LOVE for that to happen, that seems like a super aggressive movement for an 18 YO. If he continues to dominate like he did the two leagues he pitched in this year great, but I think I would pump the brakes on a Portland cameo appearance next year at this point. Its hard to know for sure, because there are no other comps from within the Red Sox organization, but Julio Urias is ending this year in AAA and is a year ahead of Espinoza. It is very possible he's in AA to end next season. Yeah, I think the innings limit at 120 or so is the real issue, and where he gets them is secondary. I think 8-10 starts at a given level (as with his GCL time) is sufficient to warrant a promotion, provided the performance is there. I'm confident that the performance will be there, hence the Portland cameo prediction. I agree with you that Espinoza is looking like Urias in terms of "prodigy" status, and is the best Sox pitching prospect since Clemens (and I remember how good Buchholz was in the minors). He's just appearing to be a true exception to the typical rules. I really believe they'll be as aggressive with his promotions as his performance dictates (and just as cautious with his innings).
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Post by jimoh on Sept 29, 2015 6:46:56 GMT -5
Can anyone post the comments on Espinoza from BA's top 20 GCL list? On the Sept 25 podcast, Badler starts on the GCL at about 1:03 media.baseballamerica.com/mp3/free/150925.mp3badler: for a 17yo pitching prospect there is not much you can poke holes in... last year 93 fb, good curve not much of a CH not the tallest guy, but scouts always projected him to throw hard b/c of arm speed and b/c he throws so free and easy, long arms no one expected 100mph but that's what happened, sitting mid 90s regularly high 90s curve ball good needs consisntency, CH coming along, some think it is more advanced than the breaking ball chance for 3 plus pitches, fb more than plus, advanced feel for pitching 7 guys in gcl touched 100 mph but most just throwers he has an understanding of how to attack hitters he did have the stress fracture in his elbow before he signed, so that is something to keep in the back of your mind not much more that you could ask for for a 17yo pitcher interviewer: the arm action is explosive, very clean, "there is some length in the back" is there any way to predict future
badler: he's from venezuela, and 17, so he's pitched in 2 foreign countries, albeit the first with not language problem imagine the average us h.s. student or kid starting in college, they have stress in first semester, getting Cs because they are in a new environment with new routine he's got a lot going on, and has handled it about as well as you can imagine
interviewer: the most exciting guy in the league, throws 100, curve, change
Victor Robles, ranked after AE, has a chance to be ranked in top 50 prospects [lots about him]
Benintendi gets good comments at the start of the podcast, as does Basabe
((I don't know why this last part is underlined/highlighted))
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 29, 2015 7:33:14 GMT -5
Can anyone post the comments on Espinoza from BA's top 20 GCL list? On the Sept 25 podcast, Badler starts on the GCL at about 1:03 media.baseballamerica.com/mp3/free/150925.mp3badler: for a 17yo pitching prospect there is not much you can poke holes in... last year 93 fb, good curve not much of a CH not the tallest guy, but scouts always projected him to throw hard b/c of arm speed and b/c he throws so free and easy, long arms no one expected 100mph but that's what happened, sitting mid 90s regularly high 90s curve ball good needs consisntency, CH coming along, some think it is more advanced than the breaking ball chance for 3 plus pitches, fb more than plus, advanced feel for pitching 7 guys in gcl touched 100 mph but most just throwers he has an understanding of how to attack hitters he did have the stress fracture in his elbow before he signed, so that is something to keep in the back of your mind not much more that you could ask for for a 17yo pitcher interviewer: the arm action is explosive, very clean, "there is some length in the back" is there any way to predict future
badler: he's from venezuela, and 17, so he's pitched in 2 foreign countries, albeit the first with not language problem imagine the average us h.s. student or kid starting in college, they have stress in first semester, getting Cs because they are in a new environment with new routine he's got a lot going on, and has handled it about as well as you can imagine
interviewer: the most exciting guy in the league, throws 100, curve, change
Victor Robles, ranked after AE, has a chance to be ranked in top 50 prospects [lots about him]
Benintendi gets good comments at the start of the podcast, as does Basabe
((I don't know why this last part is underlined/highlighted))Good stuff. Thanks! 7 guys throwing 100 in the GCL?!! Where is baseball headed? I still think that someday not too far off, the mound may be moved back.
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Post by buttclown on Oct 6, 2015 16:59:35 GMT -5
From Kiley McDaniel's prospect chat (emphasis added): www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kiley-mcdaniel-prospects-chat-10615/Comment From Another Draftkings Commercial Anderson Espinoza had a crazy high GB%. Is that a trait you usually see lower level arms carry with them as they move up the ladder? 12:34 Kiley McDaniel: I think (I’m not sure) that it typically degrades as you go up the chain and face better hitters. But Espinoza is throwing a 95-99 mph sinker, so as long as that’s the case, he’s probably always going to be a groundball type Gif was removed. Please keep posts appropriate. - Moderating staff
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 9, 2015 13:35:10 GMT -5
Just wanted to add this here from a post from one of the minor league game day threads. I saw a blurb about spin rates watching the Rangers/Blue Jays game and now see that Espinoza's 2890 spin rate on a slider (he throws a slider?) is higher than any other major league pitcher based on Stat Cast. I forgot who was 1st, but it was 2700 something. It was probably an average.
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