|
Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 27, 2015 20:34:08 GMT -5
Alex Wilson is thriving in Detroit. Yeah. Another guy really never given a chance. kind of like Scott Achison, who was quite a bit older and did have an injury later on of course, but before the injury? Francona just wouldn't give him any kind of a break, even when he was effective until Valentine did in 2012. Certain people that seem to never fit a mold in Boston and get that break. Unfortunately? guys like Breslow continue getting them and the team refuses to cut bait.
|
|
|
Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 27, 2015 20:57:30 GMT -5
Exactly how does Tampa Bay keep coming up with good pitching staffs year after year after year. They've lost Shields, Price, Cook, Moore, Odorizi and they still come up with the Archer's etc etc. All their pitchers seem to have fast ball command and a change up to get outs. They change the bullpen on a yearly basis and they come up with lefties, righties that do the job. Boxberger was a decent starter last year and he transitioned to closer, seamlessly. I think they were a team maybe 8-10 years ago that realized that were not going to compete with Boston, NY, Toronto by spending money so they totally concentrated pitching as the great equalizer. You notice Maddon went to the Cubs but Hickey must have been given enough money to stay. The scouts working for the Rays that spot pitchers must be something else. They've got pitchers, Longoria and a bunch of role players. How much are they paying Astrubal Cabrera or that little guy in left field? Not much, as compared to Panda and Hanley and Porcello. You have to think that the Sox organization is a complete mess right now. They kinda remind me of a college football team that loses a really good coach and hires a bad one. For the first year, maybe two years the bad coach gets by on the other guys talent. Then the whole thing just collapses, poor play, lack of discipline, poor recruiting, the whole program takes a nose dive that takes years to dig out of. That's what the Sox seem to me right now. Poor decisions, poor planning, little to no focus on how to go about winning. Everybody seems to be just winging it right now. John Farrell is the Larry Coker of MLB. I like it. BC is his head recruiter too, I guess.
|
|
|
Post by station13 on Jun 27, 2015 21:17:54 GMT -5
Wilson might be better than anyone in our BP not Tazawa, Koji or layne (to an extend). He has a clean WHIP. Keeps the ball in the yard. Doesn't walk a lot.
|
|
|
Post by mgoetze on Jun 27, 2015 21:33:49 GMT -5
A pitcher goes through a very short stretch of 40 innings having some luck with flyballs not leaving the yard and suddenly a bunch of people on internet message boards think this is some kind of magical talent he has. After that he regresses heavily to the mean just like every other pitcher and everyone forgets about it. This story repeats itself so often that it sounds like a broken record.
|
|
|
Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 27, 2015 21:52:23 GMT -5
A pitcher goes through a very short stretch of 40 innings having some luck with flyballs not leaving the yard and suddenly a bunch of people on internet message boards think this is some kind of magical talent he has. After that he regresses heavily to the mean just like every other pitcher and everyone forgets about it. This story repeats itself so often that it sounds like a broken record. 1 season there (2013) I see Wilson with poor GB numbers at 31%. See him with 43.9% in 2014 and 47.8% so far this year. Those are pretty decent numbers for anyone.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 27, 2015 22:28:43 GMT -5
Yuck, it's these fugly uniforms again. Man... I loved those things.. Especially compared to the ugly blue ones they wore in the 60's.. Miley looks almost exactly like Reggie Cleveland BTW.. Except for being LH, rather than RH like Reggie was. That's the same thought I had. He reminded me of Reggie Cleveland except like you said Cleveland was a righty. I do like those 70s uniforms and the two toned caps. I had that cap as a little kid. I always hated the road uniforms the Sox had in the 80s.
|
|
|
Post by mgoetze on Jun 27, 2015 22:31:04 GMT -5
A pitcher goes through a very short stretch of 40 innings having some luck with flyballs not leaving the yard and suddenly a bunch of people on internet message boards think this is some kind of magical talent he has. After that he regresses heavily to the mean just like every other pitcher and everyone forgets about it. This story repeats itself so often that it sounds like a broken record. 1 season there (2013) I see Wilson with poor GB numbers at 31%. See him with 43.9% in 2014 and 47.8% so far this year. Those are pretty decent numbers for anyone. Sure, that's fine, and probably part of the reason why his SIERA is marginally better than his xFIP. But those GB% numbers make it especially unlikely that he can maintain a below-average HR/FB, almost everyone who can do that (and there are not many) is a flyball pitcher. The only reason anyone is excited by Alex Wilson is that he's outperforming his peripherals with a ridiculously low 3.7% HR/FB and that's going to come crashing back down to Earth.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,830
Member is Online
|
Post by nomar on Jun 28, 2015 10:53:41 GMT -5
I would feel more comfortable with Keith Couch on the hill today than I am of Masterson. Might as well just let him get his dick kicked in the dirt then bring Johnson up.
|
|
|
Post by jdb on Jun 28, 2015 11:33:16 GMT -5
With news Hanley may be DL bound would anyone like to see Craig up for a few weeks to see if his timings back? He has almost 160 PAs in AAA now but he still needs regular ABs regardless.
|
|
|
Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 28, 2015 11:54:23 GMT -5
I just can't watch or pay attention to this game today. Even if by some miracle Masterson does well and/or Archer does poorly and they win, it was such a bad call to have him pitch, it would only annoy me that it lucked into a win.
So, I'm gonna go outside with my kids, enjoy the perfect summer day, and check the score at some point later.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jun 28, 2015 12:11:33 GMT -5
With news Hanley may be DL bound would anyone like to see Craig up for a few weeks to see if his timings back? He has almost 160 PAs in AAA now but he still needs regular ABs regardless. I think the Red Sox need to determine if they are buyers or sellers before they decide on adding Craig back to the 40-man roster. By my estimates, the Red Sox are $9-10mm above the luxury tax threshold. If the Red Sox look to sell, they have a chance to get under the threshold. If Hanley goes on the DL, as I suspect he will, I would expect Victorino to be activated. If he's not ready, I wouldn't be surprised to see Shaw back until ShaneO is ready.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2015 12:12:04 GMT -5
With news Hanley may be DL bound would anyone like to see Craig up for a few weeks to see if his timings back? He has almost 160 PAs in AAA now but he still needs regular ABs regardless. I don't think I could hate anything more than that other than Masterson starting.
|
|
|
Post by dcsoxfan on Jun 28, 2015 12:20:23 GMT -5
Exactly how does Tampa Bay keep coming up with good pitching staffs year after year after year. They've lost Shields, Price, Cook, Moore, Odorizi and they still come up with the Archer's etc etc. All their pitchers seem to have fast ball command and a change up to get outs. They change the bullpen on a yearly basis and they come up with lefties, righties that do the job. Boxberger was a decent starter last year and he transitioned to closer, seamlessly. I think they were a team maybe 8-10 years ago that realized that were not going to compete with Boston, NY, Toronto by spending money so they totally concentrated pitching as the great equalizer. You notice Maddon went to the Cubs but Hickey must have been given enough money to stay. The scouts working for the Rays that spot pitchers must be something else. They've got pitchers, Longoria and a bunch of role players. How much are they paying Astrubal Cabrera or that little guy in left field? Not much, as compared to Panda and Hanley and Porcello. You have to think that the Sox organization is a complete mess right now. They kinda remind me of a college football team that loses a really good coach and hires a bad one. For the first year, maybe two years the bad coach gets by on the other guys talent. Then the whole thing just collapses, poor play, lack of discipline, poor recruiting, the whole program takes a nose dive that takes years to dig out of. That's what the Sox seem to me right now. Poor decisions, poor planning, little to no focus on how to go about winning. Everybody seems to be just winging it right now. Mostly by trading veterans for prospects.
|
|
|
Post by bookiemetts on Jun 28, 2015 12:30:43 GMT -5
If I were a young pitcher I would love to be drafted by the Rays. Their pitcher development is almost unbelievable.
|
|
|
Post by charliezink16 on Jun 28, 2015 12:32:09 GMT -5
Marrero to 2B and Holt to 1B?
|
|
|
Post by bookiemetts on Jun 28, 2015 12:33:12 GMT -5
De Aza looking to get out of Boston. For a team looking for a decent 4th OF he's really not that bad and can play all the OF spots.
|
|
|
Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 28, 2015 12:36:51 GMT -5
De Aza looking to get out of Boston. For a team looking for a decent 4th OF he's really not that bad and can play all the OF spots. So... the assumption is he has some sort of timeline drawn out that says start hitting extra base hits here?
|
|
|
Post by bookiemetts on Jun 28, 2015 12:42:22 GMT -5
De Aza looking to get out of Boston. For a team looking for a decent 4th OF he's really not that bad and can play all the OF spots. So... the assumption is he has some sort of timeline drawn out that says start hitting extra base hits here? Haha no that was a joke. I was more alluding to the point that Ben could move him and it might be a little easier now than a few weeks ago.
|
|
|
Post by charliezink16 on Jun 28, 2015 12:49:05 GMT -5
Holt fouls one off himself and is limping around. I'm willing to bet that someone gets injured this game and we see Swihart at 1B.
|
|
|
Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2015 13:03:28 GMT -5
PAPI!!!
|
|
|
Post by charliezink16 on Jun 28, 2015 13:17:33 GMT -5
Shocked to say but Masterson's slider has been damn impressive today. Getting tons of swinging strikes on it. He's still up there throwing with little to no command, but I'm happy to see him succeed. I don't care if it buys him another start or two, everyone was hugging him and in high spirits in the dugout pregame, so maybe he can provide a clubhouse boost.
|
|
|
Post by arzjake on Jun 28, 2015 13:25:17 GMT -5
Bradley cannot hit. Slow hands is what I see, doesn't attack the ball like a Betts or XB. Anyone else have an answer?
|
|
|
Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2015 13:28:14 GMT -5
Masterson with the completely shaved head. That must be the difference/
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2015 13:28:23 GMT -5
Bradley cannot hit. Slow hands is what I see, doesn't attack the ball like a Betts or XB. Anyone else have an answer? He lined out to right in his first at bat and then struck out looking on a pitch that wasn't a strike. There is no answer needed, except patience.
|
|
|
Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2015 13:30:35 GMT -5
Bradley cannot hit. Slow hands is what I see, doesn't attack the ball like a Betts or XB. Anyone else have an answer? He lined out to right in his first at bat and then struck out looking on a pitch that wasn't a strike. There is no answer needed, except patience. Agree with this. That ball he hit in the first finds grass it would've been a double or triple. Struck it with authority. Both at bats were pretty good so look for Farrell to bench him as soon as possible.
|
|