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Post by nomar on Jul 1, 2015 12:47:31 GMT -5
Just think, if the smartest guys in the room didn't decide to outsmart everyone and extend Porcello before he even threw a pitch for the Red Sox, he'd only be a one year disaster. But hey, it all looked good on paper. 3 months is a small sample still. If he gets hit his numbers will average out and people will forget his rough start
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Post by ianrs on Jul 1, 2015 12:52:55 GMT -5
Just think, if the smartest guys in the room didn't decide to outsmart everyone and extend Porcello before he even threw a pitch for the Red Sox, he'd only be a one year disaster. But hey, it all looked good on paper. 3 months is a small sample still. If he gets hit his numbers will average out and people will forget his rough start It seems like a bigger issue than that, though; particularly related to pitching from the stretch. I hope he fixes whatever is going on, and fast. Might be time for a phantom DL trip or time in Pawtucket to work on this.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 1, 2015 12:53:55 GMT -5
It appears the law of averages just might even him up here, if he gets one more out he will have 5 runs n 5 outs...
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Post by atzar on Jul 1, 2015 12:54:21 GMT -5
Too many starting pitching performances like this. Makes it hard to sustain an extended winning streak. It's really just Porcello now. Buchholz has been great, ERod has had three bad innings all year and Miley is Miley. I'd be lying if I said I expect Masterson to succeed as a starter long-term (though he was solid last time out), but Porcello is a disaster right now. Bad peripherals backing up bad results.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 1, 2015 12:56:35 GMT -5
well ah ah ... next inning he can go for 7 and 7
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 1, 2015 12:58:58 GMT -5
In Betting he hits the DL this week
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2015 12:59:08 GMT -5
All the Porcello defenders I'm waiting to hear again how great he is. That was a cookie on a platter to Encarnacion. They should post him to Craig's list: "Statistically sound, young, gutless loser with affordable $20M a year contract available. Original purchaser will be leaving his current job soon and needs to get rid garbage he picked up over the winter…" Why is it that you were so certain that he'd be way worse than he ever has been at any level this year?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 1, 2015 13:07:53 GMT -5
Well, this is one deal that didn't work out.
I'm hoping that he secretly needs Tommy John surgery like Lackey did.
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Post by Nick Rabasco2 on Jul 1, 2015 13:08:55 GMT -5
Well this game is over, just have to hope that somehow BAL, NYY, TB all lose tonight. Highly doubt that, so right back to 7 games out
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2015 13:10:36 GMT -5
I hope the Sox can limit home runs to 6. I said that for the series.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 1, 2015 13:12:33 GMT -5
ProceLOLo.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 1, 2015 13:16:20 GMT -5
A sweep would of been nice, but we still have a very good chance of taking 3-4 from this team. Have to win tomorrow.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 1, 2015 13:19:08 GMT -5
They should post him to Craig's list: "Statistically sound, young, gutless loser with affordable $20M a year contract available … I'd flag it, just for being stupid.
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Post by atzar on Jul 1, 2015 13:21:48 GMT -5
Well, this is one deal that didn't work out. I'm hoping that he secretly needs Tommy John surgery like Lackey did. No matter how badly he performed today, this is still only the first three months of a five year deal. Foolish to already start referring to it in the past tense. For whatever reason, he's not doing what was successful for him over his entire career. He's always been prone to the long ball (career 11.4% HR/FB; 12.5% this year), but he got away with it by keeping the ball on the ground for the most part. This year, his GB% is way down and his FB% is way up, both by 5-6%. But I can look at a spreadsheet all day. Doesn't get me any closer to knowing why.
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Post by nomar on Jul 1, 2015 13:22:23 GMT -5
Well this game is over, just have to hope that somehow BAL, NYY, TB all lose tonight. Highly doubt that, so right back to 7 games out 5 by the all star break and I'll be content
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 1, 2015 13:24:42 GMT -5
All the Porcello defenders I'm waiting to hear again how great he is. .... Today's line 31.50 ERA 21.08 FIP 4.38 xFIPThat's all I got.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 1, 2015 13:34:39 GMT -5
All the Porcello defenders I'm waiting to hear again how great he is. That was a cookie on a platter to Encarnacion. They should post him to Craig's list: "Statistically sound, young, gutless loser with affordable $20M a year contract available. Original purchaser will be leaving his current job soon and needs to get rid garbage he picked up over the winter…" Why is it that you were so certain that he'd be way worse than he ever has been at any level this year? I just didn't like the extension without seeing how he pitched in Boston with all the ensuing pressure/ridiculousness that can turn some players into pumpkins. Also, I really felt throwing $20M at a #3 limited the team's options going into the fall's free agency regarding pitching. And I never bought into the "Five Number Three Starters" Kool Aide. Extending Porcello - and Miley for that matter - is not I how would've used those assets this winter, and I was pretty clear on that all along. I could be wrong about both - and really hope I am about Porcello otherwise we lose every time he starts and eventually the team will have to waste more money for someone to take him away. Regardless, so far neither has done anything to change my mind. If Miley develops like they thought he would, then extend him next winter, or ride it out in Arb and let him walk when his control runs out and take the sandwich pick. That's their organizational philosophy anyway, right? And Porcello'd have to be Josh Beckett for me to forget his "rough start." Ditto for Kelly. At least Beckett had the stuff to merit a wait and see approach. Porcello's a groundball pitcher - who has apparently decided he's a strike out pitcher now who doesn't want to pitch to the bottom of a very deep zone - and a #3 groundball pitcher. That's a valuable asset but not as hard to find as a Beckett (or a Scherzer, etc). He's also no one I would've thrown $20M x 4 years at without him ever throwing a pitch for the Red Sox in an MLB game.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 1, 2015 13:45:18 GMT -5
They should post him to Craig's list: "Statistically sound, young, gutless loser with affordable $20M a year contract available … I'd flag it, just for being stupid. You know, you're right. Anyone who can jones $80 million guaranteed out of someone for perceived return on investment is no loser. I stand (or actually, at this moment, sit) corrected.
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Post by jdb on Jul 1, 2015 13:57:50 GMT -5
Everything Bens done since last July 31st has turned to crap.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 1, 2015 14:09:50 GMT -5
Everything Bens done since last July 31st has turned to crap. Not everything. He still has a job and the confidence of ownership. Which is nice.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2015 14:29:27 GMT -5
Why is it that you were so certain that he'd be way worse than he ever has been at any level this year? I just didn't like the extension without seeing how he pitched in Boston with all the ensuing pressure/ridiculousness that can turn some players into pumpkins. Also, I really felt throwing $20M at a #3 limited the team's options going into the fall's free agency regarding pitching. And I never bought into the "Five Number Three Starters" Kool Aide. Extending Porcello - and Miley for that matter - is not I how would've used those assets this winter, and I was pretty clear on that all along. I could be wrong about both - and really hope I am about Porcello otherwise we lose every time he starts and eventually the team will have to waste more money for someone to take him away. Regardless, so far neither has done anything to change my mind. If Miley develops like they thought he would, then extend him next winter, or ride it out in Arb and let him walk when his control runs out and take the sandwich pick. That's their organizational philosophy anyway, right? And Porcello'd have to be Josh Beckett for me to forget his "rough start." Ditto for Kelly. At least Beckett had the stuff to merit a wait and see approach. Porcello's a groundball pitcher - who has apparently decided he's a strike out pitcher now who doesn't want to pitch to the bottom of a very deep zone - and a #3 groundball pitcher. That's a valuable asset but not as hard to find as a Beckett (or a Scherzer, etc). He's also no one I would've thrown $20M x 4 years at without him ever throwing a pitch for the Red Sox in an MLB game. And if he pitched like he did in Detroit (there is/was no reason to believe he wouldn't), he'd be worth the contract.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 1, 2015 14:29:56 GMT -5
The book on this Aro guy should be "pounds the strike zone with mediocre stuff", right?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 1, 2015 14:35:42 GMT -5
The book on this Aro guy should be "pounds the strike zone with mediocre stuff", right? "Will be a star in Japan."
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Post by Guidas on Jul 1, 2015 14:36:04 GMT -5
I just didn't like the extension without seeing how he pitched in Boston with all the ensuing pressure/ridiculousness that can turn some players into pumpkins. Also, I really felt throwing $20M at a #3 limited the team's options going into the fall's free agency regarding pitching. And I never bought into the "Five Number Three Starters" Kool Aide. Extending Porcello - and Miley for that matter - is not I how would've used those assets this winter, and I was pretty clear on that all along. I could be wrong about both - and really hope I am about Porcello otherwise we lose every time he starts and eventually the team will have to waste more money for someone to take him away. Regardless, so far neither has done anything to change my mind. If Miley develops like they thought he would, then extend him next winter, or ride it out in Arb and let him walk when his control runs out and take the sandwich pick. That's their organizational philosophy anyway, right? And Porcello'd have to be Josh Beckett for me to forget his "rough start." Ditto for Kelly. At least Beckett had the stuff to merit a wait and see approach. Porcello's a groundball pitcher - who has apparently decided he's a strike out pitcher now who doesn't want to pitch to the bottom of a very deep zone - and a #3 groundball pitcher. That's a valuable asset but not as hard to find as a Beckett (or a Scherzer, etc). He's also no one I would've thrown $20M x 4 years at without him ever throwing a pitch for the Red Sox in an MLB game. And if he pitched like he did in Detroit (there is/was no reason to believe he wouldn't), he'd be worth the contract. So why wait to see? Just pay the man.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2015 14:38:21 GMT -5
And if he pitched like he did in Detroit (there is/was no reason to believe he wouldn't), he'd be worth the contract. So why wait to see? Just pay the man. If he had taken a step forward because of better shifting and better pitch framing from Vazquez, he would have gotten quite a bit more as a free agent. That's why they signed him early. No one foresaw him doing what he's done, not even you.
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