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Post by dcsoxfan on Jul 2, 2015 5:17:38 GMT -5
Stephen Strasberg has an ERA of 5.5
Josh Beckett had an ERA of 5.0 his first year in Boston.
Pitchers have bad games, bad months, and sometimes off/years.
Rick Porcello has a five year track record, and, given his peripherals, odds are that's what he is. That's not worth the contract he was given, but if he goes back to what he was it's not a disaster either.
Since the Red Sox can't trade him, they kind of have to just hope.
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Post by cologneredsox on Jul 2, 2015 7:27:44 GMT -5
Every time after a tough loss I try to begin blocking people. But I'm always to lazy for that. Either my lazyness is shrinking or this outrage (as bad as Porcello has been, no arguing that) is getting unbeareble.
It was analyzed and is obvious that he's not the pitcher he can be this year. He very likely won't stay like that for the whole contract. So please, stop the exaggeration...
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 2, 2015 8:00:47 GMT -5
Every time after a tough loss I try to begin blocking people. But I'm always to lazy for that. Oh come on, I'm very lazy too, but adding someone to the block list can be done in under 10 seconds with a little bit of practice.
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Post by nomar on Jul 2, 2015 8:25:22 GMT -5
Every time after a tough loss I try to begin blocking people. But I'm always to lazy for that. Oh come on, I'm very lazy too, but adding someone to the block list can be done in under 10 seconds with a little bit of practice. I've never blocked people because I feel like I'll be tempted to click show anyway. Might dabble though
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 2, 2015 9:11:05 GMT -5
How about we try some analysis instead of all the pissing and moaning? Whatever he did to up the K rate seems to have killed his control. He can't go throwing pitches into the wheelhouse of Bautista and Encarnacion or they'll never find those balls. He needs a remake of the remake. That's what pitching coaches are for, and what Farrell touts on his resume.
A lot of the posts verge between hilarious and sad, with everything else in between. But the notion that the Sox burned through his entire extension after three months is laughably shortsighted. If they guy turns it around tomorrow there will be lots of posters hiding under chairs.
My impression is that his release is really messed up, varying almost pitch-to-pitch, but I'd like to hear what others have to say.
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Post by danr on Jul 2, 2015 9:20:40 GMT -5
What does a team do when a pitcher's problems are obvious, but he either can't, or won't do what he needs to do to correct them?
Both Kelly and Porcello have similar problems. When they throw hard to try to get strike outs, they get hit hard. Both have had trouble with their command and not being able to keep pitches down in the zone.
In one of John Farrell's pregame radio programs he said that they were trying to get Kelly to understand that when he let up a little bit, he got better results. However, he said that Kelly basically was ignoring the advice. We know what happened to Kelly. They can't do the same with Porcello, but surely there is something they could do.
It is hard to believe that a pitcher with his experience and record can't figure out what he is doing wrong and fix it. A bad stretch is one thing, but this is ridiculous.
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Post by atzar on Jul 2, 2015 9:20:41 GMT -5
Stephen Strasberg has an ERA of 5.5 Josh Beckett had an ERA of 5.0 his first year in Boston. Pitchers have bad games, bad months, and sometimes off/years. Rick Porcello has a five year track record, and, given his peripherals, odds are that's what he is. That's not worth the contract he was given, but if he goes back to what he was it's not a disaster either. Since the Red Sox can't trade him, they kind of have to just hope. And I'm not even sure it would be an overpay. Fangraphs had his '13 and '14 seasons valued at slightly over $20M. If he just returns to those levels for the rest of his contract, he'd be worth it - not a bargain, but a reasonable deal.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 2, 2015 10:06:05 GMT -5
My impression is that [Porcello's] release is really messed up, varying almost pitch-to-pitch, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. Looks reasonably normal to me. For comparison:
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Post by johnmark on Jul 2, 2015 10:11:15 GMT -5
How about we try some analysis instead of all the pissing and moaning? Whatever he did to up the K rate seems to have killed his control. He can't go throwing pitches into the wheelhouse of Bautista and Encarnacion or they'll never find those balls. He needs a remake of the remake. That's what pitching coaches are for, and what Farrell touts on his resume. A lot of the posts verge between hilarious and sad, with everything else in between. But the notion that the Sox burned through his entire extension after three months is laughably shortsighted. If they guy turns it around tomorrow there will be lots of posters hiding under chairs. My impression is that his release is really messed up, varying almost pitch-to-pitch, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. Great post which leads me to this conclusion: Farrell isnt doing what he touts that he can do. Farrell sucks.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 2, 2015 10:16:34 GMT -5
My impression is that [Porcello's] release is really messed up, varying almost pitch-to-pitch, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. Looks reasonably normal to me. For comparison: I saw those earlier. It's not the release point, but the follow through. I'm not a scout, and I don't know how to examine it short of comparing video side-by-side. The landing point seems inconsistent, and there's also extra effort. Again, that's just my impression.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 2, 2015 10:24:57 GMT -5
How about we try some analysis instead of all the pissing and moaning? Whatever he did to up the K rate seems to have killed his control. He can't go throwing pitches into the wheelhouse of Bautista and Encarnacion or they'll never find those balls. He needs a remake of the remake. That's what pitching coaches are for, and what Farrell touts on his resume. A lot of the posts verge between hilarious and sad, with everything else in between. But the notion that the Sox burned through his entire extension after three months is laughably shortsighted. If they guy turns it around tomorrow there will be lots of posters hiding under chairs. My impression is that his release is really messed up, varying almost pitch-to-pitch, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. OG Norm..your one of the guys I really respect on this site...but You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
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Post by nomar on Jul 2, 2015 10:27:28 GMT -5
A 3-1 series would be great.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 2, 2015 12:22:34 GMT -5
How about we try some analysis instead of all the pissing and moaning? Whatever he did to up the K rate seems to have killed his control. He can't go throwing pitches into the wheelhouse of Bautista and Encarnacion or they'll never find those balls. He needs a remake of the remake. That's what pitching coaches are for, and what Farrell touts on his resume. A lot of the posts verge between hilarious and sad, with everything else in between. But the notion that the Sox burned through his entire extension after three months is laughably shortsighted. If they guy turns it around tomorrow there will be lots of posters hiding under chairs. My impression is that his release is really messed up, varying almost pitch-to-pitch, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. OG Norm..your one of the guys I really respect on this site...but You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. I understand. It's painful to watch, I'll admit. There have been lots of pitchers who've stunk it up only to recover, but right now it doesn't look good. He's really messed up.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 2, 2015 15:05:51 GMT -5
OG Norm..your one of the guys I really respect on this site...but You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. I understand. It's painful to watch, I'll admit. There have been lots of pitchers who've stunk it up only to recover, but right now it doesn't look good. He's really messed up. Meanwhile the "OG Norm" - like Original Gangster - liking that. You should consider.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 2, 2015 15:19:08 GMT -5
I understand. It's painful to watch, I'll admit. There have been lots of pitchers who've stunk it up only to recover, but right now it doesn't look good. He's really messed up. Meanwhile the "OG Norm" - like Original Gangster - liking that. You should consider. Gangsta, that's original gangsta...
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Post by Guidas on Jul 2, 2015 15:39:54 GMT -5
Meanwhile the "OG Norm" - like Original Gangster - liking that. You should consider. Gangsta, that's original gangsta... See. It fits.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 2, 2015 17:35:19 GMT -5
“@bradfo: Source: Sox eyeing younger pitchers under club control beyond 15 (translation: don’t bank on Hamels, Cueto) t.co/JDEBvdmFE1 via @weei”
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Post by jchang on Jul 2, 2015 18:14:55 GMT -5
I like small ball
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Post by jchang on Jul 2, 2015 18:15:45 GMT -5
And long ball too.
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Post by atzar on Jul 2, 2015 18:16:15 GMT -5
Oppo shot against a lefty for Ortiz. Great sign.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 2, 2015 18:17:06 GMT -5
PAPI!!
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Post by nomar on Jul 2, 2015 18:17:48 GMT -5
This team sucks
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Post by ajs1994 on Jul 2, 2015 18:18:11 GMT -5
This team can't hit lefties.
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Post by atzar on Jul 2, 2015 18:18:06 GMT -5
This kid Boyd isn't fooling anybody. Of the first five hitters, four have made hard contact - two liners and two bombs. Only Holt's GB single was weak contact.
Edit: more solid contact for Panda.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 2, 2015 18:19:31 GMT -5
Momentum is tomorrow's starting pitcher.
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