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Post by atzar on Jul 5, 2015 14:06:53 GMT -5
It looks like Rodriguez has some trouble putting guys away after the first run through the order. This is fairly consistent.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2015 14:09:47 GMT -5
He's done. Get him out now.
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Post by ajs1994 on Jul 5, 2015 14:10:41 GMT -5
ERod really needs more than 2 pitches. Otherwise, he's another Andrew Miller. He throws a fastball, changeup, and slider. Additionally, he has far better command of his pitches than Miller ever had as a starter, Miller's lowest bb/9 in a year as a starter was 4.46. Rodriguez hasn't had a big pitch count issue in other starts, and the Astros are doing a great job of being patient, and Rodriguez's babip today is close to .500 which has contributed to his inefficiency.
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2015 14:13:52 GMT -5
He's done. Get him out now. I'd be shocked
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 5, 2015 14:14:39 GMT -5
ERod really needs more than 2 pitches. Otherwise, he's another Andrew Miller. Does this mean after a couple of good years in the pen we can trade him for the next E-Rod?
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 5, 2015 14:19:21 GMT -5
This is not the same E-Rod. It would be nice if the kid got a couple of runs
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2015 14:21:54 GMT -5
ERod really needs more than 2 pitches. Otherwise, he's another Andrew Miller. He throws a fastball, changeup, and slider. Additionally, he has far better command of his pitches than Miller ever had as a starter, Miller's lowest bb/9 in a year as a starter was 4.46. Rodriguez hasn't had a big pitch count issue in other starts, and the Astros are doing a great job of being patient, and Rodriguez's babip today is close to .500 which has contributed to his inefficiency. And he barely throws anything but a fastball. He needs to use both his changeup and slider much more to get through the lineup more than once.
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Post by ajs1994 on Jul 5, 2015 14:29:01 GMT -5
He throws a fastball, changeup, and slider. Additionally, he has far better command of his pitches than Miller ever had as a starter, Miller's lowest bb/9 in a year as a starter was 4.46. Rodriguez hasn't had a big pitch count issue in other starts, and the Astros are doing a great job of being patient, and Rodriguez's babip today is close to .500 which has contributed to his inefficiency. And he barely throws anything but a fastball. He needs to use both his changeup and slider much more to get through the lineup more than once. I'm skeptical. He does throw his fastball a lot, but so does Shelby Miller, so does Gerrit Cole, Taijuan Walker, Danny Salazar. Some of the best young pitchers in the game. He got babip'd to death a bit today and Astros did a good job of being patient and fouling off some good pitches.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2015 14:33:50 GMT -5
And he barely throws anything but a fastball. He needs to use both his changeup and slider much more to get through the lineup more than once. I'm skeptical. He does throw his fastball a lot, but so does Shelby Miller, so does Gerrit Cole, Taijuan Walker, Danny Salazar. Some of the best young pitchers in the game. He got babip'd to death a bit today and Astros did a good job of being patient and fouling off some good pitches. They're able to foul off good pitches because they aren't fooled. This is becoming a trend. Unhittable first time through, then cross your fingers.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 5, 2015 14:35:56 GMT -5
And he barely throws anything but a fastball. He needs to use both his changeup and slider much more to get through the lineup more than once. While I understand your point, if I had Eduardo Rodriguez' fastball I would throw that most of the time to get ahead in the count too. It has some pretty devastating velocity and lateral movement (as Eric has pointed out in a previous post, its one of the best in the game right now when commanded). 8 K to 2 BB against a fairly loaded Astros team with a couple of hits spread out here and there is not something to suggest changes to Rodriguez' future projections. Of course I don't want to suggest that we should judge him purely on box score results. But he's 22 and has plenty of time to further refine his secondary pitches without turning into a pumpkin in the meantime.
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2015 14:36:31 GMT -5
Must be McCullers' time of the month.
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Post by ajs1994 on Jul 5, 2015 14:39:37 GMT -5
I'm skeptical. He does throw his fastball a lot, but so does Shelby Miller, so does Gerrit Cole, Taijuan Walker, Danny Salazar. Some of the best young pitchers in the game. He got babip'd to death a bit today and Astros did a good job of being patient and fouling off some good pitches. They're able to foul off good pitches because they aren't fooled. This is becoming a trend. Unhittable first time through, then cross your fingers. Meh. I'd say he had 2 terrible starts, 1 where he was tipping his pitches, and the other more like you described, as he really struggled throwing anything other than his fastball. This is the first of the rest he hasn't gone at least 6 innings, going 7, 7 and 2/3, 6, 6 and a third, and 6 in his others until today. If I'm getting 6 to 7 in most of my pitchers starts in todays game I'm pretty excited. Edit: In other words, I don't see him as a Tony Cingrani situation, which is who I immediately thought of with your initial post. Eduardo has 2 effective secondary pitches and a great fastball. I think he's going to be just fine, but we shall see.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2015 14:40:00 GMT -5
And he barely throws anything but a fastball. He needs to use both his changeup and slider much more to get through the lineup more than once. While I understand your point, if I had Eduardo Rodriguez' fastball I would throw that most of the time to get ahead in the count too. It has some pretty devastating velocity and lateral movement (as Eric has pointed out in a previous post, its one of the best in the game right now when commanded). 8 K to 2 BB against a fairly loaded Astros team with a couple of hits spread out here and there is not something to suggest changes to Rodriguez' future projections. Of course I don't want to suggest that we should judge him purely on box score results. But he's 22 and has plenty of time to further refine his secondary pitches without turning into a pumpkin in the meantime. I'm not complaining about this particular start. I'm just saying he needs his secondaries. Every starting pitcher does. He doesn't throw them enough, especially when he's at the 10th pitch in an atbat (which seemed to have happened to about 5 batters in this game).
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 5, 2015 14:45:19 GMT -5
Awesome
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Post by nomar on Jul 5, 2015 14:45:20 GMT -5
Those are the innings that lose you games
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Post by Guidas on Jul 5, 2015 14:50:51 GMT -5
Especially when you start the next inning by walking the leadoff man who is hitting .197
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 5, 2015 14:51:04 GMT -5
Good E-Rod can't lose.
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Post by atzar on Jul 5, 2015 14:51:57 GMT -5
Dislike this ump's strikezone. Seems like he just guesses around the edges.
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Post by 07redsox on Jul 5, 2015 14:52:53 GMT -5
I'm skeptical. He does throw his fastball a lot, but so does Shelby Miller, so does Gerrit Cole, Taijuan Walker, Danny Salazar. Some of the best young pitchers in the game. He got babip'd to death a bit today and Astros did a good job of being patient and fouling off some good pitches. They're able to foul off good pitches because they aren't fooled. This is becoming a trend. Unhittable first time through, then cross your fingers. 1st time through- Fouls on fastball- 3 2nd time through- Fouls on fastball- 6 (28 fastballs thrown total 2nd time through) 3rd time through (5 batters in)- Fouls on fastball- 3 On the other hand 1st time through- Fouls on changeup- 2 2nd time through- Fouls on changeup- 6 Not sure if his fastball is a problem. Obviously would love to see more changeups and sliders, but wasn't it said before he made his debut that is slider isn't exactly good enough at the moment to be a pitch he goes to a lot? I also know nothing about the average percentage of fastballs that are fouled off in a game, but only 6 out of 28 does not sound that high to me.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 5, 2015 15:08:10 GMT -5
LF Hanley > LF Gattis
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 5, 2015 15:09:21 GMT -5
As John Sterling might say, "The Hani-gan can!"
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2015 15:09:43 GMT -5
Brilliant piece of hitting by Hanigan. I wonder when teams will start playing all 3 OF in RF when he's up. Bump, that's 3 cheap hits.
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Post by 07redsox on Jul 5, 2015 15:09:56 GMT -5
I really missed Hanigan over these past two or so months!
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Post by atzar on Jul 5, 2015 15:15:09 GMT -5
To be completely honest, I don't even know who Marisnick is... But he's made multiple great plays for the Astros in CF today.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 5, 2015 15:16:47 GMT -5
Dislike this ump's strikezone. Seems like he just guesses around the edges. I think he's called one of the better games I've watched this year. That's why both starters ended up with over 100 pitches over 5 innings as far as I'm concerned. Gee, with Ramirez scoring the winning run, and Pablo Sandoval driving it in it's going to be very quiet in here.
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