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Post by grandsalami on Jul 26, 2015 13:58:20 GMT -5
CBS Sports MLB @cbssportsmlb 35s35 seconds ago Royals-Reds trade official: Johnny Cueto and cash for Brandon Finnegan, John Lamb and Cody Reed
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2015 13:59:17 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who first read that as "Jody Reed" right?
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Post by ianrs on Jul 26, 2015 14:03:34 GMT -5
CBS Sports MLB @cbssportsmlb 35s35 seconds ago Royals-Reds trade official: Johnny Cueto and cash for Brandon Finnegan, John Lamb and Cody Reed Royals got fleeced. Some teams pay insane prices for rentals. Trades like this mostly make me very sad about the Lackey return.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 26, 2015 14:14:25 GMT -5
CBS Sports MLB @cbssportsmlb 35s35 seconds ago Royals-Reds trade official: Johnny Cueto and cash for Brandon Finnegan, John Lamb and Cody Reed Royals got fleeced. Some teams pay insane prices for rentals. Trades like this mostly make me very sad about the Lackey return. You'd think after all those MVP awards for Wil Myers they'd have learned their lesson.
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Post by nomar on Jul 26, 2015 14:30:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they got fleeced. Lamb is maybe a backend starter, Reed is a pen arm, and Finnegan is a setup guy. They're very serious WS contenders now. I say good for them to pull the trigger. Pirates fans can attest.
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Post by jmei on Jul 26, 2015 15:11:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they got fleeced. Lamb is maybe a backend starter, Reed is a pen arm, and Finnegan is a setup guy. They're very serious WS contenders now. I say good for them to pull the trigger. Pirates fans can attest. Yeah, this is a trade where if the KC front office doesn't think Finnegan is a starter or that Lamb has a realistic shot of reaching his ceiling, they really aren't giving up that much for one of the 10 or 15 best starting pitchers in the league in a season where they might be frontrunners for the AL crown.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 26, 2015 15:23:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they got fleeced. Lamb is maybe a backend starter, Reed is a pen arm, and Finnegan is a setup guy. They're very serious WS contenders now. I say good for them to pull the trigger. Pirates fans can attest. Yeah, this is a trade where if the KC front office doesn't think Finnegan is a starter or that Lamb has a realistic shot of reaching his ceiling, they really aren't giving up that much for one of the 10 or 15 best starting pitchers in the league in a season where they might be frontrunners for the AL crown. Fair enough. Not terrible depending on their player evaluation - I was viewing Reed and Finnegan as two likely mid level SP. Have to take those windows when they present themselves. As for the Wil Myers point, he's had pretty unpredictable wrist issues but enjoyed moderate success otherwise and is still 24. They were also getting multiple years of control back in that trade. I guess you could go back and forth on their player evaluation being good/bad; I wouldnt be surprised if teams build injury projections into models now so anything is possible.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 26, 2015 18:03:06 GMT -5
@biertempfeltrib: Sources: #pirates have looked into Mike Napoli and Shane Victorino. Napoli scuffling at plate but has been decent defensively.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2015 19:09:50 GMT -5
Some of you are just unbelievable. Harold Reynolds may or may not be a scum bag and there are certain things he's not an expert on such as whether or not the Royals can sign Cueto after the season or not but he's actually very good at knowing the game itself and the players in it. He has his strengths and weaknesses just like anyone else but he's certainly not a schmuck who knows nothing about baseball. God if some of you were half the experts you think you are you'd be the best baseball people around. You really think they couldn't easily do better? There are thousands of ex-players, which is the only qualification he has. I bet of those thousands of other players, some of them know Cueto won't sign in KC or that teams aren't going to skip a player in the draft because they have a 30 year-old all-star at a particular position. The thing that bugs me most about him is that he doesn't prepare whatsoever for any broadcast.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 26, 2015 19:48:41 GMT -5
Mlb trade rumors says Mets add around 2..5 million of payroll in acquiring Johnson and uribe from the Braves for the minor league pitchers.
Was not there speculation on another thread that the mets were not taking on any additional payroll,
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 26, 2015 19:56:37 GMT -5
All the Harold Reynolds discussion has been moved to its own thread in the off-topic forum. Further comments here will be deleted.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2015 22:21:48 GMT -5
I like this move for the Reds in that I think they were able to buy in on Finnegan while his value was a bit down in exchange for a player they weren't going to be able to keep.
I like it for the Royals because they get a frontline starter, helping to solve their biggest weakness, and - if they don't think as much of Finnegan - didn't give up any of their top four or five prospect. Keeping Manaea and Mondesi while getting Cueto is pretty great.
Even if you like this deal better for the Reds it's really hard to say he got fleeced. There's a really good chance that Cueto is the best player to get moved in-season. Even as a two-month rental he's a very very valuable guy. Including a potential deep run in the playoffs, it's conceivable he's going to give them close to 100 innings.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 27, 2015 9:27:38 GMT -5
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 27, 2015 10:36:36 GMT -5
Reds did very well. The outcome is MUCH better than receiving a draft choice.
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Post by mannofsteele on Jul 27, 2015 11:10:23 GMT -5
CBS Sports MLB @cbssportsmlb 35s35 seconds ago Royals-Reds trade official: Johnny Cueto and cash for Brandon Finnegan, John Lamb and Cody Reed Royals got fleeced. Some teams pay insane prices for rentals. Trades like this mostly make me very sad about the Lackey return. I wouldn't call it a fleecing, Lamb is a fringe bet to do much more than fill in as a #5, Finnegan screams power lefty in the pen and Reed still has some ground to make up. Though I know the least about him.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 27, 2015 11:30:25 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Reds took this deal when they did. I think it is a fair return, but nothing special. If Finnegan is a reliever, it is a pretty poor return. They must have gotten a lot less interest than they expected to not wait until the deadline to make this move.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 27, 2015 11:31:38 GMT -5
What would be a comparable package from us?
Brian Johnson, Trey Ball and Escobar?
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Post by nomar on Jul 27, 2015 12:16:44 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Reds took this deal when they did. I think it is a fair return, but nothing special. If Finnegan is a reliever, it is a pretty poor return. They must have gotten a lot less interest than they expected to not wait until the deadline to make this move. I think the likely explanation is that they're high on Finnegan, and trust that they'll handle him better, turning him into a 3rd starter (maybe a few #2 years at peak.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 27, 2015 12:17:16 GMT -5
Jayson Stark @jaysonst 2m2 minutes ago #Pirates telling teams they're likely to keep Pedro Alvarez - which would effectively end their hunt for other 1B upgrades
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 7m7 minutes ago #Mets making progress on trade for #Athletics’ Clippard, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. Other teams still in play. Deal expected soon.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 27, 2015 12:20:28 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Reds took this deal when they did. I think it is a fair return, but nothing special. If Finnegan is a reliever, it is a pretty poor return. They must have gotten a lot less interest than they expected to not wait until the deadline to make this move. I think the likely explanation is that they're high on Finnegan, and trust that they'll handle him better, turning him into a 3rd starter (maybe a few #2 years at peak. Yeah I agree with this. It seems like opinions on Finnegan are pretty wide ranging, and if the Reds are among those particularly high on him I can see why they jumped on this now.
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Post by jmei on Jul 27, 2015 12:27:24 GMT -5
What would be a comparable package from us? Brian Johnson, Trey Ball and Escobar? Kiley McDaniel rated Finnegan a 55 FV, Reed at 50 FV, and Reed Lamb as 40 FV. So closer to a slightly worse Owens (who was a 60 on the Oct. 2014 list), Johnson (50), and Escobar (40).
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 27, 2015 13:05:14 GMT -5
I think that's a bullish comparison because it's based more on Johnson's pre-2015 value though. He's definitely increased that quite a bit this year. Johnson wasn't on most Top 100 lists entering the season (#82 on BA, unranked on BP and MLB.com), and he'd be borderline top 50 and easy top 70 now I'd say.
There's not a great comp for Lamb in the Sox system right now. Maybe an alternate-universe Matt Barnes where he was left as a starter and was pitching pretty well but not so well that it really moved the needle on him
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Post by nomar on Jul 27, 2015 13:26:48 GMT -5
I think that's a bullish comparison because it's based more on Johnson's pre-2015 value though. He's definitely increased that quite a bit this year. Johnson wasn't on most Top 100 lists entering the season (#82 on BA, unranked on BP and MLB.com), and he'd be borderline top 50 and easy top 70 now I'd say. There's not a great comp for Lamb in the Sox system right now. Maybe an alternate-universe Matt Barnes where he was left as a starter and was pitching pretty well but not so well that it really moved the needle on him Agree, the KC package is lighter, because even if you're high on Finnegan, his value is currently lower than Johnson's looking through a broad lens. Finnegan has quite the ceiling if he fixes his command issues which is no small task.
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Post by danr on Jul 27, 2015 13:44:02 GMT -5
I can't remember a trade deadline time when there was less chatter in the rumor mills about the Sox and Sox players.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2015 13:55:18 GMT -5
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