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Update: Red Sox sign Napoli for one year, $5m
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Post by jmei on Jan 11, 2013 13:13:35 GMT -5
Rosenthal on the situation: The Sox, sources say, want to restructure Napoli’s deal with protective language. The four-year, $40 million free-agent contract that the Detroit Tigers awarded catcher Ivan Rodriguez in 2004 could serve as one model.
Rodriguez’s deal stated that if he was on the disabled list for 35 or more days in ’04 or ’05 because of his lower spine, the Tigers could void the rest of the contract by paying him a $5 million buyout. The same provision also existed in ’06, but with a $4 million buyout.
The Sox likely want to rework Napoli’s deal so that if a significant problem arose with his hip, they could escape with something less than a three-year guarantee.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 11, 2013 15:16:07 GMT -5
Rosenthal on the situation: The Sox, sources say, want to restructure Napoli’s deal with protective language. The four-year, $40 million free-agent contract that the Detroit Tigers awarded catcher Ivan Rodriguez in 2004 could serve as one model.
Rodriguez’s deal stated that if he was on the disabled list for 35 or more days in ’04 or ’05 because of his lower spine, the Tigers could void the rest of the contract by paying him a $5 million buyout. The same provision also existed in ’06, but with a $4 million buyout.
The Sox likely want to rework Napoli’s deal so that if a significant problem arose with his hip, they could escape with something less than a three-year guarantee. Seems reasonable solution. What's Napoli's alternative? Sign a one year contract, somewhere else for less?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 11, 2013 15:44:56 GMT -5
I've said this before, but Mike Napoli and his agent better come to terms sooner rather than later at this date. I am not a big fan of Michael Morse, but his destination will be figured out fairly soon. And if the Sox want to get in on him because the Napoli situation is starting to look more and more hopeless, things will happen quickly.
Napoli and his agent probably figured correctly with respect to the Sox interest on Adam LaRoche. They pretty much knew the Sox didn't have the appetite to lose their 2nd rounder and the corresponding dollars tied to it. They weren't worried. But, Morse is a different case. A one year contract is positive for us. No draft choice is positive.
As I stated above, he could go quick because of the MFY, the Rays, and a couple others swarming. He makes a lot of sense for the Yanks. So the Red Sox don't have, in my opinion, lots of time to play footsie with Napoli anymore, if they like Morse.
Personally, I'm not much of a fan of Morse, but he would be decent and not cost much. It is time.....more than time.....for Nap to say yes or no with the new language in his contract offer.
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Post by elguapo on Jan 11, 2013 16:21:44 GMT -5
It's a dangerous game of chicken for Napoli - if it came down to it, the Sox could live with mediocrity at 1B for 3 months or a year, and it's not that hard to pick up something better than mediocre.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jan 11, 2013 20:18:54 GMT -5
There have been many reports about Napoli and his hip injury for which there has been little dispute from Napoli's camp or the player's association. It is nearing time to either agree on a revised one year deal with an option with Napoli or moving in another direction. I would say the latter choice to evaluate other players in a trade (e.g. Smoak, Morse, etc) to play first base is the better choice at this point.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 11, 2013 21:50:56 GMT -5
There have been many reports about Napoli and his hip injury for which there has been little dispute from Napoli's camp or the player's association. It is nearing time to either agree on a revised one year deal with an option with Napoli or moving in another direction. I would say the latter choice to evaluate other players in a trade (e.g. Smoak, Morse, etc) to play first base is the better choice at this point. There wasn't a ton of interest in Napoli before the hip problems. If the Red Sox pass, then the deal he is going to get will very underwhelming.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jan 12, 2013 14:59:54 GMT -5
If the Sox are kicking the tires on Morse as a disguised way of trying to get the Napoli situation resolved, would it be fair to describe them as speaking in Morse Code?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 15:39:43 GMT -5
if napoli is signed, what do we expect him to do in the next three years? he is declining and will be lucky to hit his weight.
i'd explore a trade for stl matt adams. he didn't do very well in a short stint in the mlb last year, but in AAA he hit for good power and high average. adams has great upside and would be under team through 2018 or 2019. he could be a great 1B of the future for the red sox.
it probably would not take much to get him, considering that he is blocked in stl by allen craig and matt carpenter. it would probably take around 2 lower level prospects to get him, but i'm not sure. i would trade brock holt/ pedro ciriaco and another low level prospect. tell me what you think
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Post by buffs4444 on Jan 12, 2013 15:59:00 GMT -5
if napoli is signed, what do we expect him to do in the next three years? he is declining and will be lucky to hit his weight. In Boston? Three years with an .850OPS, two at 1B and 1 at DH. He never sees catcher again with that hip. That's an average over the three years, probably better production his first year and less his third. His natural fit for Fenway makes it difficult to consider walking away, but without significant protections, I'd be comfortable doing that and going young with LoMo. note: by saying "hit his weight" I imagine you're talking batting avg, which is the wrong number to look at with Nap
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Post by jmei on Jan 12, 2013 16:56:34 GMT -5
it probably would not take much to get him, considering that he is blocked in stl by allen craig and matt carpenter. it would probably take around 2 lower level prospects to get him, but i'm not sure. i would trade brock holt/ pedro ciriaco and another low level prospect. tell me what you think The fact that he is blocked doesn't mean that he will come cheap, it means that STL is more likely to be willing to discuss trading him. Even if he has no future in STL, there are at least a half-dozen other teams that could use a young, cost-controlled, high-upside first baseman (off the top of my head: Orioles, Rays, Rangers, Twins, Pirates, Rockies) that the Red Sox will have to outbid. Offering Holt/Ciriaco will just get you laughed off the phone.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 13, 2013 15:57:21 GMT -5
A major league source told Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe this about Napoli's hip, "It’s one of those things where it could go anytime or five years from now. Nobody really knows, which is why the Red Sox want strong language after putting $40 million on the table for him.”
Via MLBTR
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Post by dmaineah on Jan 16, 2013 12:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 16, 2013 16:59:11 GMT -5
JIM BOWDEN @jimbowdenespnxm The Red Sox and Mike Napoli have nothing to report but they continue to make significant progress towards a ONE-YEAR agreement
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 17:19:25 GMT -5
why did we trade jerry sands while the napoli's deal was, and still is on hold? he can play first place and has some potential. that leaves us with one less option at 1B, and there are not many options remaining anywhere.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 16, 2013 22:53:57 GMT -5
Gordon Edes @gordonedes All signs point to Napoli, Sox reaching agreement. Sides are working on one/year deal; agent Grieper would not discuss specifics Gordon Edes @gordonedes There appears to be a possibility Napoli may have to undergo additional physical before deal is done
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 16, 2013 22:58:55 GMT -5
Gordon Edes @gordonedes It appears likely that Napoli will receive less than $13 million, which was the average annual value of original 3-year, $39m deal
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Post by mredsox89 on Jan 17, 2013 0:21:00 GMT -5
Awesome. Low risk deal, that could, though unlikely, turn into a bargain and a draft pick, or confidence in giving a 2-3 year extension on top.
Clearly Napoli doesn't think anyone else is going to bite on a multi year deal after seeing the medical report. Could turn into a steal for the Sox. Worst case, the guy spends most of the year on the DL and all they're out is one year and $
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Post by mjammz on Jan 17, 2013 9:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jan 17, 2013 9:16:36 GMT -5
Per Rob Bradford, Napoli and the Red Sox have reached what is believed to be a one-year deal.
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Post by dmaineah on Jan 17, 2013 9:30:45 GMT -5
Disappointed in the round table decision makers. I was hoping they would move on from Napoli. Even for 1yr it's a terrible signing. You can't spin it any other way, it's just awful.
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Post by hammerhead on Jan 17, 2013 9:33:57 GMT -5
UHHHHH your nuts.... It's a terrific deal, very low risk ,high reward. There is virtually no downside to a one-year deal for a guy who should by all accounts mash in Fenway
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 17, 2013 9:37:25 GMT -5
Disappointed in the round table decision makers. I was hoping they would move on from Napoli. Even for 1yr it's a terrible signing, just awful. Can we really say that tho with any sound basis? If we knew the extent of Napoli's hip or other physical problems and if they were extreme, and if we could expect only what he produced last season or less, then I might agree. But really, we don't know any of that. To me it's great that we have apparently freed up some cache for the ensuing years.
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Post by mjammz on Jan 17, 2013 9:40:57 GMT -5
This is a great move because it really limits the risk. If Napoli tears it up this season, the Red Sox can just tender him at the 13 million he would have made next year if the 3yr deal happend.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 17, 2013 9:42:42 GMT -5
Wow Ben should get an early vote for executive of the year. Good job Benny.
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Post by elguapo on Jan 17, 2013 9:45:06 GMT -5
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