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Post by mjammz on Jan 17, 2013 9:54:26 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe Told that Napoli could have returned to Texas but elected to take a one-year deal with the #RedSox.
That will buy him some good will.
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Post by dmaineah on Jan 17, 2013 9:56:37 GMT -5
Given the current make up of the team the person that is the happiest about this signing is Mauro Gomez because it means he will get plenty of playing time. The round table decision makers should all be fired.
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Post by hammerhead on Jan 17, 2013 10:03:31 GMT -5
I'll say it again..........(because you did).... This is a great, Great, GREAT deal. To get a guy who you thought was 40million dollar player for one year on the cheap is superb. There is so little risk. If he's hurt, you let him walk after the season and simply loose money. You haven't given up prospects and get a very good hitter who could be even better in Fenway. If he's great you offer him a QO and either sign him again or take the draft pick.
This is an absolute steal, one of the best jobs of manuevering I have seen in a long time whn it comes to a FA.
Ben should get a raise!!!!!!!!!
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jan 17, 2013 10:06:41 GMT -5
Given the current make up of the team the person that is the happiest about this signing is Mauro Gomez because it means he will get plenty of playing time. The round table decision makers should all be fired. Gomez will get plenty of playing time where? In Pawtucket? I don't see how you could not like this deal! Absolute worst case scenario, Napoli is injured and cost the Red Sox cash for one year, then he's cut loose. What's the downside? We block the amazing Quad-A player that is Mauro Gomez? That we block the development of Travis Shaw who is 2 yrs from the majors anyways? That we didn't go out and sign the best 1B on the market (ie Casey Kotchman) or trade for a great player like the unproven Mike Morse or constantly underwhelming Justin Smoak?
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Post by hammerhead on Jan 17, 2013 10:09:46 GMT -5
dmaineah ...... Please tell us why you think this deal is "terrible" , "awful" or a "fireable" offense. I simply don't see a reason....... unless you have inside information about Napoli's hip condition.
This is the perfect 1 year make good deal that everyone was clamoring for back in November.
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Post by jioh on Jan 17, 2013 10:10:38 GMT -5
I still want Smoak, as a backup/lottery-ticket-for-2014, tho' he can't play OF. Ortiz hit .234/.324/.475/.799 at age 25 (although better in some other years, and with some different limiting factors)..
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 17, 2013 10:18:28 GMT -5
Disappointed in the round table decision makers. I was hoping they would move on from Napoli. Even for 1yr it's a terrible signing. You can't spin it any other way, it's just awful. Interested in hearing your reasoning. What other possible option was available that was better and worth what it would have taken to get them at any point this offseason for first base?
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Post by elguapo on Jan 17, 2013 10:24:01 GMT -5
[That we didn't go out and sign the best 1B on the market (ie Casey Kotchman) Ahem. This is silly. Napoli's hip could liquify at any moment, which presumably rules him out from catching but could mean a completely healthy productive year - or the opposite. Youkilis may not be a perfect model of health but he's probably a better bet than Napoli, though signing as a third baseman might be tougher on him. I originally wanted Napoli at C and Youk at 1B, so I like both players, but it's at minimum debatable. Bill James projection on FanGraphs has Napoli wOBA .359, Youkilis .357, and Youk is a much better fielder.
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 17, 2013 10:25:11 GMT -5
If he's great you offer him a QO and either sign him again or take the draft pick. This is an absolute steal, one of the best jobs of manuevering I have seen in a long time whn it comes to a FA. A one year deal is great. But unless the agent is a complete moron, there is no way this "settlement" should allow the Sox to make a QO and restrict his options in 2014
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Post by elguapo on Jan 17, 2013 10:32:20 GMT -5
unless the agent is a complete moron, there is no way this "settlement" should allow the Sox to make a QO and restrict his options in 2014 My understanding is that such a stipulation is not allowed? In any case, it's not like the problem is going away, and Napoli's very unlikely to get a multi-year deal in future. Year-to-year at $14M is not a bad alternative for him.
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Post by jmei on Jan 17, 2013 10:32:42 GMT -5
Jon HeymanVerified @jonheymancbs Napoli got $5M for the 1 year. #redsox Napolis also receives performance bonuses in boston deal. So $5M plus incentives. Getting increasingly difficult to dislike this deal. Alternatively: man, his hip must really be a major risk for the deal to have been downgraded so much.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 17, 2013 10:35:25 GMT -5
Now this deal I'm all for. Also opens the door to get Brian McCann next year if they want him.
ADDED: I'd still be in favor of adding Kotchman as a defensive replacement/insurance.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 17, 2013 10:40:17 GMT -5
Jon HeymanVerified @jonheymancbs Napoli got $5M for the 1 year. #redsox Napolis also receives performance bonuses in boston deal. So $5M plus incentives. Getting increasingly difficult to dislike this deal. Alternatively: man, his hip must really be a major risk for the deal to have been downgraded so much. Wow! I'm reading all your posts and I'm sort of pissed off because they didn't have an option for a 2nd year.....and then Heyman tells us it is $5 mill plus incentives. Boy, his hip must be bad. Love the deal anyway, but hope he has a "monster" year and we have to plead him to come back for a BIG raise. Nice job Ben!
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Post by hammerhead on Jan 17, 2013 10:44:36 GMT -5
I think you could still make a trade for Smoak, stash him at AAA and hope that Napoli holds together..... If he doesn't you call up Smoak.
I love the deal at 5million if Napoli thinks he can play through the pain or if he thinks the hip won't be a problem, but it is a huge red flag that he accepted that deal and the sox offered that little.
Maybe there is a gentlemen's agreement that if they are wrong about the hip they'll make it up to him with a longer term commitment. It's a decent showcase contract, if Napoli can perform and set himself up for a a big payday after the year. Then the sox just take the draft pick.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 17, 2013 10:51:33 GMT -5
They called Napoli's bluff and protected themselves. Now I wish they could call Victorino back to the table. Lol.
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Post by brisox on Jan 17, 2013 11:13:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know how his incentives apply toward his AAV? Do we look at it as 5M or 13M ?
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 17, 2013 11:15:20 GMT -5
Maybe there is a gentlemen's agreement that if they are wrong about the hip they'll make it up to him with a longer term commitment. It's a decent showcase contract, if Napoli can perform and set himself up for a a big payday after the year. Then the sox just take the draft pick. First, have to believe the incentives are mostly playing time/injury related. If the Sox were willing to pay $13 for performance, and only issue was health, the incentives better be health related, not performance. Again, would be shocked if Sox could make qualifying offer to get a pick. Maybe they have a clause that if Sox offer, it can't be 1/13 qualifying, instead it would have to be the 2 year/26 mill remaining.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jan 17, 2013 11:24:53 GMT -5
[That we didn't go out and sign the best 1B on the market (ie Casey Kotchman) Ahem. This is silly. Napoli's hip could liquify at any moment, which presumably rules him out from catching but could mean a completely healthy productive year - or the opposite. Youkilis may not be a perfect model of health but he's probably a better bet than Napoli, though signing as a third baseman might be tougher on him. I originally wanted Napoli at C and Youk at 1B, so I like both players, but it's at minimum debatable. Bill James projection on FanGraphs has Napoli wOBA .359, Youkilis .357, and Youk is a much better fielder. Seeing how Beltre didn't kill him in Texas or even try to plow through him and Beltre is long gone from the Sox and that make good one year deal he had ... well ah Naps has about a little better than 50 - 50 chance of upping his stock for a big signing next year.
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Post by hammerhead on Jan 17, 2013 11:26:18 GMT -5
I think you need to read the CBA, what you are suggesting just isn't possible in contract language
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Post by elguapo on Jan 17, 2013 11:33:11 GMT -5
If the problem is so bad that he's only getting $5M base salary this year (and it's reportedly a matter of time until he breaks), I think there's no way he gets a qualifying offer. He could be healthy all this year but that hip would still be liable to collapse the following year.
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 17, 2013 11:35:03 GMT -5
Given the current make up of the team the person that is the happiest about this signing is Mauro Gomez because it means he will get plenty of playing time. The round table decision makers should all be fired. Can't rationalize with crazy
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 17, 2013 11:38:46 GMT -5
I think you need to read the CBA, what you are suggesting just isn't possible in contract language You mean the CBA doesn't allow a "no-offer" provision?
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 17, 2013 11:41:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know how his incentives apply toward his AAV? Do we look at it as 5M or 13M ? I maybe wrong, but I believe incentives all count against the year they are earned. So in his 1 year situation his AAV would be dollar to dollar what he gets paid. Wish we had a team option on him next year, even if it was at 13M. Maybe just because I am extremely optimistic about Nap putting up a great season. I think the smaller ball park, less stress position, 1 year incentive, and a summer out of the Texas hear (maybe I am reaching here) would help Napoli's numbers. He could get expensive fast. I actually thought at the end of the season Napoli would want a 1 year deal in Boston, so he can boost his value. Great signing nonetheless. Love it.
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Post by elguapo on Jan 17, 2013 11:42:15 GMT -5
Given the current make up of the team the person that is the happiest about this signing is Mauro Gomez because it means he will get plenty of playing time. The round table decision makers should all be fired. Can't rationalize with crazy I think dmaineah has a point, at least about the probability Napoli gets hurt and Gomez is called upon. The contract - $5M guaranteed, $8M in incentives - seems to indicate there's a substantial (20%? who knows?) probability that the hip fails this season, and Mauro Gomez is our internal option to take over first base for the rest of the season (and into the... playoffs )
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 17, 2013 12:03:50 GMT -5
Can't rationalize with crazy I think dmaineah has a point, at least about the probability Napoli gets hurt and Gomez is called upon. The contract - $5M guaranteed, $8M in incentives - seems to indicate there's a substantial (20%? who knows?) probability that the hip fails this season, and Mauro Gomez is our internal option to take over first base for the rest of the season (and into the... playoffs ) The part I found crazy is asking for everyone to get fired. To me they should be commended to move a deal from 3x39 to 1x5. We have Gomez and Salty is still on the roster... why should anyone be fired over this? I also thought Gomez filled in quite well last year and came up with some big hits.
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