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Post by grandsalami on Dec 12, 2012 17:08:56 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo Red Sox were still trying to resolve Napoli "issues" with contract at this hour.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 12, 2012 17:18:30 GMT -5
It seems like if there was a major issue, it would have squeaked out by now. Seems much more likely that the holdup is due to injury protection language, like that in the Drew and Lackey contracts
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 12, 2012 18:06:59 GMT -5
FenwayNation @fenwaynation Peter Gammons says on #NESN that Napoli's hip may be the red flag that arose in the physical. #redsox #mlb #FenwayNation
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Post by Guidas on Dec 12, 2012 18:07:47 GMT -5
Put the contract down and walk away Ben.
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Post by mjammz on Dec 12, 2012 18:19:01 GMT -5
Pete Abe said he doesn't foresee this ruining the deal. He said the sources he spoke to were hard at work trying to correct language in the contract to give the Sox protection. At this point I doubt either side wants the deal to fall apart.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 12, 2012 18:40:03 GMT -5
Oh boy! Can't we get anything clean?...
I don't think that Pete Abe or anyone else not "closely associated" with management knows the extent of the issue so there is no use speculating good or bad.
I guess we have to "trust in Ben' on this one.
The one thing I 'enjoy' about our present circumstance is that it can only get better...and it will...."darkest before dawn" type of thing.
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Post by mjammz on Dec 12, 2012 18:44:12 GMT -5
Oh boy! Can't we get anything clean?... I don't think that Pete Abe or anyone else not "closely associated" with management knows the extent of the issue so there is no use speculating good or bad. I guess we have to "trust in Ben' on this one. The one thing I 'enjoy' about our present circumstance is that it can only get better...and it will...."darkest before dawn" type of thing. I don't know what it says about the current state of the franchise that the thing I am most excited about regarding the Red Sox is the draft and thats not for 6 months.
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Post by mjammz on Dec 12, 2012 22:57:30 GMT -5
The Red Sox are intoducing Shane Victorino to the media tomorrow at noon. STILL no word on Napoli, I guess no news is good news right now. Still highly doubt the Napoli deal falls apart.
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Post by jmei on Dec 13, 2012 16:39:36 GMT -5
Will Carroll @injuryexpert Hearing that the Napoli deal back in negotiations, with team asking Napoli to take less years but same AAV. Swisher Plan B.
Yikes.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 13, 2012 16:42:07 GMT -5
Will Carroll @injuryexpert Hearing that the Napoli deal back in negotiations, with team asking Napoli to take less years but same AAV. Swisher Plan B. Yikes. do you really trust him, when no national scribes or BOS scribes have reported this?
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Post by jmei on Dec 13, 2012 16:45:30 GMT -5
Will Carroll is not exactly a nobody, he's an SI.com injury expert and a member of the BBWAA. Does that mean he's guaranteed to be right? No, but it means I afford him enough credibility to bother posting it on the SoxProspect.com forums.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 13, 2012 16:47:27 GMT -5
Will Carroll is not exactly a nobody, he's an SI.com injury expert and a member of the BBWAA. Does that mean he's guaranteed to be right? No, but it means I afford him enough credibility to bother posting it on the SoxProspect.com forums. i guess. I still think this is a drew comparsion, where they are working out injury clauses
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 13, 2012 16:48:47 GMT -5
Sign Napoli to a two year deal and also sign Swisher.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 13, 2012 16:51:41 GMT -5
Will Carroll @injuryexpert Hearing that the Napoli deal back in negotiations, with team asking Napoli to take less years but same AAV. Swisher Plan B. Yikes.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 13, 2012 19:37:17 GMT -5
I blame the Red Sox training staff.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 17, 2012 2:31:38 GMT -5
So, uhhh... Mike Napoli?
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 17, 2012 13:48:40 GMT -5
JD drew took like 20+ days to announce I thought
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Post by jmei on Dec 17, 2012 14:20:08 GMT -5
J.D. Drew's contract wasn't finalized for 52 days. It took a few weeks for Lackey's deal to get figured out as well. I wouldn't be worried unless it's still unresolved by mid-January.
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Post by paullee on Dec 17, 2012 23:51:57 GMT -5
Kendrick Morales is a better option at first. Napoli is beat up and he is weak defensively at first or catcher.
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Post by klostrophobic on Dec 18, 2012 1:02:15 GMT -5
Kendrys Morales isn't a free agent and he's not as good a hitter as Mike Napoli, though.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 18, 2012 8:24:14 GMT -5
Kendrys Morales isn't a free agent and he's not as good a hitter as Mike Napoli, though. He and Justin Morneau are free agents after next year!
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 18, 2012 13:45:10 GMT -5
Kendrys Morales isn't a free agent and he's not as good a hitter as Mike Napoli, though. Morales may be a better hitter than Napoli. He's also a switch hitter. Remember he missed a year and half due to a terrible injury. He hit poorly at a RHB last year, but perhaps that timing is just taking longer to get back. He was turning into an absolute monster before that injury. At his age, I would think he's the exact type of player the Sox should try to get. I wouldn't give up too much for him, but I'd certainly give up something of value for him. Salty shouldn't be of interest to the Angels, but maybe they want some relief help and a lower level prospect or two. If they'd swap Iglesias for Morales, I'd be all about it.
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Post by alapierre on Dec 18, 2012 14:13:58 GMT -5
I'd love Morales. With his strong splits against RH pitching he'd certainly balance the lineup well and that may open up a purposeful position for either one of Sands and Gomez. With the Sox's being currently full on the 40 man I think an Aceves/Morales for Kendrys would be a fair and manageable swap.
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Post by jmei on Dec 18, 2012 14:26:55 GMT -5
Morales is admittedly a better defender than Napoli, but Napoli has been consistently better offensively and probably has the better contract situation:
-Morales will be a free agent in a year and is represented by Scott Boras and so won't be amenable to a pre-FA extension.
-He is only two years younger than Napoli and his age 27-29 seasons (.278/.327/.473, .345 wOBA) were far inferior to Napoli's age 27-29 years (.258/.341/.502, 362 wOBA) (note that I purposefully omitted Napoli's monster 2011 for the purpose of this analysis).
-His career splits versus righties (.290/.345/.514, .365 wOBA) are only nominally better than Napoli's career splits versus righties (.253/.347/.498, .364 wOBA).
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 18, 2012 17:22:05 GMT -5
Morales is admittedly a better defender than Napoli, but Napoli has been consistently better offensively and probably has the better contract situation: -Morales will be a free agent in a year and is represented by Scott Boras and so won't be amenable to a pre-FA extension. -He is only two years younger than Napoli and his age 27-29 seasons (.278/.327/.473, .345 wOBA) were far inferior to Napoli's age 27-29 years (.258/.341/.502, 362 wOBA) (note that I purposefully omitted Napoli's monster 2011 for the purpose of this analysis). -His career splits versus righties (.290/.345/.514, .365 wOBA) are only nominally better than Napoli's career splits versus righties (.253/.347/.498, .364 wOBA). But you are also leaving off Morales .387 wOBA in his age 26 season and forgetting that over two-thirds of that batting line is the result of a single season which came after he had been injured (by a freak injury) for 1.5 years. A couple of other notes: -Napoli has only played over 113 games once in his 7 years -Napoli was 2 years older when he first got to the majors - despite far more minor league experience -Napoli's has been more of a platoon player throughout his career than Morales, which skews the numbers away from what they will look like as a full time player -Morales is surprisingly a worse base runner than Napoli. If the cost of Morales is high, then signing Napoli may be a smarter decision. But it is hard to choose Napoli over Morales when they are placed on equal playing ground; unless you are looking for a platoon player who can catch as well as play 1b.
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