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Post by soxfanatic on Sept 7, 2015 13:36:51 GMT -5
His weight is perfectly balanced and his hands are perfectly still when he's ready to start his swing. That has always been my favorite style of hitting. S o many other players have their hands and arms moving all over the place and it tends to lead to a lot more slumps when the timing gets off. I bet Benintendi will not have much of a slumping problem because of how quiet his swing is. "Tends" being the key word here. See: Betts, Markus.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 7, 2015 14:40:50 GMT -5
His weight is perfectly balanced and his hands are perfectly still when he's ready to start his swing. That has always been my favorite style of hitting. S o many other players have their hands and arms moving all over the place and it tends to lead to a lot more slumps when the timing gets off. I bet Benintendi will not have much of a slumping problem because of how quiet his swing is. "Tends" being the key word here. See: Betts, Markus. Yes, tends. Most don't have the freakish ability he has. I bet he could hit .200 left handed right now before he took a swing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 8, 2015 8:49:55 GMT -5
I will also say, Benintendi has superstar written all over him from my perspective. He works hard, but he's naturally gifted in probably most, if not all, of the ways I mentioned. He's pretty muscular, so I'm not sure he gets much stronger, but he's so fluid with his swing, and so quick and linear to the ball...I think the "55s-60s" he got on his hit tool were gross underestimations. He looks like a future batting title winner to me. And I can see him hitting 20-25 HR regularly. His last HR was on 95 in, and it was a no-doubter. If he can handle the cheese, the rest is just pitch recognition and barreling up the ball, both of which he seems to have no problem with. I'd love to see Eric break down his performance post-wood-bat adjustment (first week or so with all of those IFFBs in Lowell). It's gotta be just stupid good. I'm sitting on a set of Davenport Translations which show that Benintendi's easily having the best debut season of any college hitter (excluding SS, 2B, C, not that you'd expect any of those guys to be rivals, but I should probably look them up) drafted 5-10 going back to 1995. The guys on the list are Michael Choice, Ryan Braun, Mark Kotsay, Yonder Alonso, Matt LaPorta, Carlos Pena, Anthony Rendon, Chad Green, Colin Moran, Geoff Jenkins, Drew Stubbs, and Todd Helton. (Teixeira didn't play the year he was drafted.) I'll post them when the season is over. I forgot about his rough first 8 games. Since then he's .339 / .429 / .607 in 198 PA, including .366 / .439 / .606 in Greenville. Honest question: is there any legitimate reason to limit it to "college hitters drafted 5-10"? Seems to be painting it awfully narrow to me, especially given his unique case of being a draft-eligible sophomore who had taken the prior summer off. People underestimate the amount of scouting that happens over the summer. I'd assume he's nearly unique in that respect, combining the eligible soph and no summer ball components, with my point being that the uncertainty probably caused him to fall even as far as seventh. I'd be much more interested in seeing how he compares, say, to college hitters drafted in the top 10, or first half of the first round. Good college hitters get picked early, and I think even adding picks 1-4 will expand that sample a significant (using that word in the statistical sense) amount. And of course, this goes even moreso for the position thing, which I don't understand at all.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 8, 2015 18:00:40 GMT -5
I love our young outfield now but I envision a 2017 season in which:
Trader Dave has dispatched Mookie Betts for an ACE, as defined by Nicholas Cafardo; Trader Dave has dispatched Rusney Castillo for a "proven closer" "adb" NC; Trader Dave has dispatched JBJ for another ACE (a 1A, as TD calls it) "adb" NC;
Leaving us with an outfield of Benintendi, Margot, and Moncada, also known as Beni and the Jets.
Elton John concert at Fenway anyone?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 8, 2015 18:18:27 GMT -5
I love our young outfield now but I envision a 2017 season in which: Trader Dave has dispatched Mookie Betts for an ACE, as defined by Nicholas Cafardo; Trader Dave has dispatched Rusney Castillo for a "proven closer" "adb" NC; Trader Dave has dispatched JBJ for another ACE (a 1A, as TD calls it) "adb" NC; Leaving us with an outfield of Benintendi, Margot, and Moncada, also known as Beni and the Jets. Elton John concert at Fenway anyone? I have Moncada moving to 3b and allowing us to trade Tubby as a salary dump in about mid-2017. Half of his contract will be left. Keeping Mookie and playing him in lf. Sign David Price as a free agent for straight cash. Don't have to give up any talent or a draft pick. CC gave the Yanks about 4 1/2 pretty damn good years. I think Price can do the same for us. Keeping JBJ and playing him in CF. Can pick up Buchholz option and deal him for your closer. Benintendi will be ready about Mid-2017 allowing us to deal Castillo for pitching help. If you want that second ace, you can prob deal; Margot, Miley and Owens for this mythical pitcher. Or, one of the catchers after 2016. Instead of Margot. A healthy Vazquez + Miley should pique someone's interest.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 8, 2015 18:33:21 GMT -5
I feel so misunderstood
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Post by soxcentral on Sept 8, 2015 19:21:14 GMT -5
The American Middle Class and sarcasm on soxprospects.com....two staples of our society vanishing at a shockingly fast pace.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 9, 2015 0:09:15 GMT -5
I love our young outfield now but I envision a 2017 season in which: Trader Dave has dispatched Mookie Betts for an ACE, as defined by Nicholas Cafardo; Trader Dave has dispatched Rusney Castillo for a "proven closer" "adb" NC; Trader Dave has dispatched JBJ for another ACE (a 1A, as TD calls it) "adb" NC; Leaving us with an outfield of Benintendi, Margot, and Moncada, also known as Beni and the Jets. Elton John concert at Fenway anyone? Why would you 1) want anyone in the FO to do anything "as defined by Nick Cafardo" (ugghhh)? 2) Why would you trade a player who's versatile, an above-average up-the-middle defender in both CF and 2b, and reasonably worth 5 WAR/yr (or more, when he hits his prime)? And, 3) Why would you trade a low-injury-risk position player with 5 years of control for a high(er) risk pitcher who likely has fewer years of control and didn't come up through your system? It's like Cafardo's (monumentally stupid) idea of trading Bogaerts for Harvey. A young above-avg defensive and offensive SS probably 2-3 years from his prime and with 4 years of control for a mid-prime pitcher coming off of Tommy John surgery who's contract is up in three years? Good grief...and, being the linear thinker he is, Cafardo doesn't once address...who's the SS with Bogaerts gone? The way to get an "ace" (and by that I mean a guy who's a top-5 pitcher in baseball for the better part of a decade, not just some dude like Hamels, who was a 1a at best and usually a solid 2) is to develop your own, or trade for a guy like Scherzer who's undervalued by his own team and hasn't quite put it all together yet. You don't give up high-end position player talent for one in his prime. That's bad business. At the most, you trade a few top prospects (preferably pitching for pitching, or at least from position player excess) for a guy you can do a trade-and-sign with, like Pedro.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 9, 2015 0:14:43 GMT -5
Oops. I see what you did there. My loathing for all things "ADB NC" clouded my vision and threw my sarcasm detector way out of whack. I blame NC, whose articles appear to be sarcastic in their ridiculousness but are actually posited by the author as genuinely good ideas. The diametric opposition borders on the psychotic/delusional. I shall retire to my lair under the bridge now...
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Post by blizzards39 on Sept 9, 2015 0:34:36 GMT -5
I love our young outfield now but I envision a 2017 season in which: Trader Dave has dispatched Mookie Betts for an ACE, as defined by Nicholas Cafardo; Trader Dave has dispatched Rusney Castillo for a "proven closer" "adb" NC; Trader Dave has dispatched JBJ for another ACE (a 1A, as TD calls it) "adb" NC; Leaving us with an outfield of Benintendi, Margot, and Moncada, also known as Beni and the Jets. Elton John concert at Fenway anyone? Why would you 1) want anyone in the FO to do anything "as defined by Nick Cafardo" (ugghhh)? 2) Why would you trade a player who's versatile, an above-average up-the-middle defender in both CF and 2b, and reasonably worth 5 WAR/yr (or more, when he hits his prime)? And, 3) Why would you trade a low-injury-risk position player with 5 years of control for a high(er) risk pitcher who likely has fewer years of control and didn't come up through your system? It's like Cafardo's (monumentally stupid) idea of trading Bogaerts for Harvey. A young above-avg defensive and offensive SS probably 2-3 years from his prime and with 4 years of control for a mid-prime pitcher coming off of Tommy John surgery who's contract is up in three years? Good grief...and, being the linear thinker he is, Cafardo doesn't once address...who's the SS with Bogaerts gone? The way to get an "ace" (and by that I mean a guy who's a top-5 pitcher in baseball for the better part of a decade, not just some dude like Hamels, who was a 1a at best and usually a solid 2) is to develop your own, or trade for a guy like Scherzer who's undervalued by his own team and hasn't quite put it all together yet. You don't give up high-end position player talent for one in his prime. That's bad business. At the most, you trade a few top prospects (preferably pitching for pitching, or at least from position player excess) for a guy you can do a trade-and-sign with, like Pedro. Easyer said than done. This is essentially what the sox tried to do with Kelly Porcello and to a lesser extent Miley.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 9, 2015 0:37:41 GMT -5
I'm sitting on a set of Davenport Translations which show that Benintendi's easily having the best debut season of any college hitter (excluding SS, 2B, C, not that you'd expect any of those guys to be rivals, but I should probably look them up) drafted 5-10 going back to 1995. The guys on the list are Michael Choice, Ryan Braun, Mark Kotsay, Yonder Alonso, Matt LaPorta, Carlos Pena, Anthony Rendon, Chad Green, Colin Moran, Geoff Jenkins, Drew Stubbs, and Todd Helton. (Teixeira didn't play the year he was drafted.) I'll post them when the season is over. I forgot about his rough first 8 games. Since then he's .339 / .429 / .607 in 198 PA, including .366 / .439 / .606 in Greenville. Honest question: is there any legitimate reason to limit it to "college hitters drafted 5-10"? Seems to be painting it awfully narrow to me, especially given his unique case of being a draft-eligible sophomore who had taken the prior summer off. People underestimate the amount of scouting that happens over the summer. I'd assume he's nearly unique in that respect, combining the eligible soph and no summer ball components, with my point being that the uncertainty probably caused him to fall even as far as seventh. I'd be much more interested in seeing how he compares, say, to college hitters drafted in the top 10, or first half of the first round. Good college hitters get picked early, and I think even adding picks 1-4 will expand that sample a significant (using that word in the statistical sense) amount. And of course, this goes even moreso for the position thing, which I don't understand at all. You guys want me to do more work! The original purpose of the study was to look at the track record of close comps. Knowing that guys drafted 1-3 like Kris Bryant tended to be successful MLB players was not going to be useful. Knowing that guys drafted 11-20 turned out to have very mixed records was not going to be useful. Knowing that college C, SS, and 2B did not tend to be great hitters even if they made MLB was not going to be useful. Now that the question has become, just how impressive was this season, I agree that all the top 15 picks might be a more interesting comp. But I still don't see the point of looking at the defense-oriented positions in any detail. Benintendi would be expected to hit better than those guys. I will list the names, though.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 9, 2015 0:52:25 GMT -5
Why would you 1) want anyone in the FO to do anything "as defined by Nick Cafardo" (ugghhh)? 2) Why would you trade a player who's versatile, an above-average up-the-middle defender in both CF and 2b, and reasonably worth 5 WAR/yr (or more, when he hits his prime)? And, 3) Why would you trade a low-injury-risk position player with 5 years of control for a high(er) risk pitcher who likely has fewer years of control and didn't come up through your system? It's like Cafardo's (monumentally stupid) idea of trading Bogaerts for Harvey. A young above-avg defensive and offensive SS probably 2-3 years from his prime and with 4 years of control for a mid-prime pitcher coming off of Tommy John surgery who's contract is up in three years? Good grief...and, being the linear thinker he is, Cafardo doesn't once address...who's the SS with Bogaerts gone? The way to get an "ace" (and by that I mean a guy who's a top-5 pitcher in baseball for the better part of a decade, not just some dude like Hamels, who was a 1a at best and usually a solid 2) is to develop your own, or trade for a guy like Scherzer who's undervalued by his own team and hasn't quite put it all together yet. You don't give up high-end position player talent for one in his prime. That's bad business. At the most, you trade a few top prospects (preferably pitching for pitching, or at least from position player excess) for a guy you can do a trade-and-sign with, like Pedro. Easyer said than done. This is essentially what the sox tried to do with Kelly Porcello and to a lesser extent Miley. Kelly, yes. Porcello...eh, I don't think they thought they'd have an "ace" by any stretch, or even a 1 or 1a...more like a solid 2 on the high end. Miley...absolutely not, in any way, shape, or form. He's been exactly what they thought, and what he's always been: a dependable 4 with 3 upside. Of course it's easier said than done...there are only 3-5 true aces in the game at a time. It's the main reason I'll completely lose it if they ever trade Espinoza. But it can be done (Archer was a trade acquisition, and on the verge of being a legit #1; DeGrom was a trade acquisition, as was Arrieta, Carrasco, S Miller...). Frankly, having an "ace" is a luxury and not a necessity and doesn't guarantee a WS win (Pedro '99-'03; Verlander, Kershaw, Wainright '13), and teams with #2-quality starters in the #1 spot win championships (Lester, '13). The trick is to make savvy buy-low moves and hope some pan out. Kelly may very well pitch his way back into the '16 rotation...he's probably never a #1, but just last year Carlos Carrasco went from getting totally humiliated by MLB hitters at 26 to viable #1/2 starter at 28. So Kelly may become a quality 3/solid 2, which would be a pretty good return on Lackey. The more of those trades a team makes, the more likely they are to hit, especially if their MLB talent evaluation is good, and their GM is savvy (or, in the case of DD, president of baseball ops).
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Post by telson13 on Sept 9, 2015 1:01:04 GMT -5
FWIW, and staying on the topic of A.B., I think the major benefit of his ludicrous half-season is that it gives them reasonable certainty that at least *one* of he, Margot, Moncada, or Castillo can serve as a quality OF in 2017. That means that, should DD want to go that route, they can trade or switch positions at a number of spots, including 2b (though I prefer they keep Pedroia). I also think Benintendi is going to hit so well that he forces *something* to happen by winter 2016/17, and quite possibly by next August. I can definitely see him pulling a Conforto, only better.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 9, 2015 18:03:32 GMT -5
I love our young outfield now but I envision a 2017 season in which: Trader Dave has dispatched Mookie Betts for an ACE, as defined by Nicholas Cafardo; Trader Dave has dispatched Rusney Castillo for a "proven closer" "adb" NC; Trader Dave has dispatched JBJ for another ACE (a 1A, as TD calls it) "adb" NC; Leaving us with an outfield of Benintendi, Margot, and Moncada, also known as Beni and the Jets. Elton John concert at Fenway anyone? I wrote that whole post just to get to the punchline (no, not you Nick) and no one thought it was funny, or even mildly amusing? Geesh. (Note to self: don't make your punchline a 40+ year old pop reference)
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 9, 2015 18:33:04 GMT -5
We could use a prospect named Elton. We have so many cool names.
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Post by cdj on Sept 9, 2015 18:43:42 GMT -5
I love our young outfield now but I envision a 2017 season in which: Trader Dave has dispatched Mookie Betts for an ACE, as defined by Nicholas Cafardo; Trader Dave has dispatched Rusney Castillo for a "proven closer" "adb" NC; Trader Dave has dispatched JBJ for another ACE (a 1A, as TD calls it) "adb" NC; Leaving us with an outfield of Benintendi, Margot, and Moncada, also known as Beni and the Jets. Elton John concert at Fenway anyone? I wrote that whole post just to get to the punchline (no, not you Nick) and no one thought it was funny, or even mildly amusing? Geesh. (Note to self: don't make your punchline a 40+ year old pop reference) The notion of an outfield without Mookie made me die on the inside a little bit so I did not acknowledge the post
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 9, 2015 18:47:21 GMT -5
Understood. Me too. But compared to Margot and Moncada, he's not a jet. Plus Trader Dave and Nick are dying to trade him for an ACE.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2015 9:12:28 GMT -5
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 25, 2015 9:38:13 GMT -5
I love our young outfield now but I envision a 2017 season in which: Trader Dave has dispatched Mookie Betts for an ACE, as defined by Nicholas Cafardo; Trader Dave has dispatched Rusney Castillo for a "proven closer" "adb" NC; Trader Dave has dispatched JBJ for another ACE (a 1A, as TD calls it) "adb" NC; Leaving us with an outfield of Benintendi, Margot, and Moncada, also known as Beni and the Jets. Elton John concert at Fenway anyone? I wrote that whole post just to get to the punchline (no, not you Nick) and no one thought it was funny, or even mildly amusing? Geesh. (Note to self: don't make your punchline a 40+ year old pop reference) Or take that long to get to it, unless the payoff is a knockout.
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Post by bostonian on Sept 25, 2015 10:10:11 GMT -5
I love our young outfield now but I envision a 2017 season in which: Trader Dave has dispatched Mookie Betts for an ACE, as defined by Nicholas Cafardo; Trader Dave has dispatched Rusney Castillo for a "proven closer" "adb" NC; Trader Dave has dispatched JBJ for another ACE (a 1A, as TD calls it) "adb" NC; Leaving us with an outfield of Benintendi, Margot, and Moncada, also known as Beni and the Jets. Elton John concert at Fenway anyone? I have Moncada moving to 3b and allowing us to trade Tubby as a salary dump in about mid-2017. Half of his contract will be left. Keeping Mookie and playing him in lf. Sign David Price as a free agent for straight cash. Don't have to give up any talent or a draft pick. CC gave the Yanks about 4 1/2 pretty damn good years. I think Price can do the same for us. Keeping JBJ and playing him in CF. Can pick up Buchholz option and deal him for your closer. Benintendi will be ready about Mid-2017 allowing us to deal Castillo for pitching help. If you want that second ace, you can prob deal; Margot, Miley and Owens for this mythical pitcher. Or, one of the catchers after 2016. Instead of Margot. A healthy Vazquez + Miley should pique someone's interest.
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Post by nomar on Sept 25, 2015 10:14:09 GMT -5
Good to see Basabe 6th too
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Post by bostonian on Sept 25, 2015 10:21:33 GMT -5
Very interesting point of view. I have dreamed of our next coming prospects. Benny+Moncada+Margot sould be very elite outfield but until now Margot seems to have more to prove. Ourfield will be our trade bid to get a better starting rotation. But how to manage the arravings of Espinoza & Kopech? On the other hand that suggests keeping Panda & Hanley? Don't like it. We need a bat or two Papi type once he is gone.
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Post by nomar on Sept 25, 2015 12:19:24 GMT -5
Espinoza and Kopech are too far away to worry about now or plan for.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2015 12:23:57 GMT -5
But how to manage the arravings of Espinoza & Kopech? I'd suggest dancing but I know that's not for everyone so smiling will suffice.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 25, 2015 12:58:23 GMT -5
Good thing for young Victor that he didn't play in the South Atlantic League, then. Sox very likely to have the #1 prospect in all three lower leagues if/when Moncada gets names #1 in the SAL.
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