radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 14:11:49 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on May 5, 2016 14:21:56 GMT -5
From Keith Law's chat today:
Louis: How would you grade out Benintendi? 70 hit/60 power/60 run/55 arm/55 fielding?
KLaw: I love Benintendi, but everyone is getting way too excited about a college prospect raking in high-A. He might be a superstar - it wouldn't really surprise me at all - but I think we need to see him in AA. The SEC to high-A is kind of a lateral move for a 21-year-old.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 5, 2016 15:52:28 GMT -5
From Keith Law's chat today: Louis: How would you grade out Benintendi? 70 hit/60 power/60 run/55 arm/55 fielding? KLaw: I love Benintendi, but everyone is getting way too excited about a college prospect raking in high-A. He might be a superstar - it wouldn't really surprise me at all - but I think we need to see him in AA. The SEC to high-A is kind of a lateral move for a 21-year-old. I think he kind of has a point. I'd take each of those grades Louis asked about and knock them down half a grade at least. |
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Post by nomar on May 5, 2016 16:11:32 GMT -5
From Keith Law's chat today: Louis: How would you grade out Benintendi? 70 hit/60 power/60 run/55 arm/55 fielding? KLaw: I love Benintendi, but everyone is getting way too excited about a college prospect raking in high-A. He might be a superstar - it wouldn't really surprise me at all - but I think we need to see him in AA. The SEC to high-A is kind of a lateral move for a 21-year-old. I think he kind of has a point. I'd take each of those grades Louis asked about and knock them down half a grade at least. True, but 55 fielding would be my exception. FRAA has liked him so far, especially in Greenville. Chances are he'll be a slightly above average CF which should allow him to be a well above average LF. |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 18:55:09 GMT -5
A whole lot of college players have done miserably in high A. I'm not buying it. Look how many "top college bats" didn't produce in A ball. There are a lot of them. For Benintendi to have the most extra base hits in minor league baseball so far this year, on top of his year last year, all systems are go.
Does it look like Benintendi will implode going forward? No. it sure doesn't. Look at the details. More triples than K's. Law is a harvard guy right with some front office experience. He knows a lot of prospects will implode at the AA and AA level but Benintendi sure doesn't look like one given the data we have already compiled on him. It's just law covering his behind, trying to look as smart as his credentials. He has been wrong a lot.
He's channeling his Lars Anderson projection.
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Post by jmei on May 5, 2016 19:17:39 GMT -5
It's funny, Keith Law is only a bum when he's down on one of our prospects. When he's high on them, no one says a thing.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 5, 2016 19:45:53 GMT -5
He is basically saying promote the guy which is what a lot of people in this forum have been saying for the past month.
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Post by burythehammer on May 5, 2016 19:55:09 GMT -5
"He has been wrong a lot" says "the Lavarnway guy".
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 5, 2016 20:05:01 GMT -5
I don't see anything arguable in what Law said. All he's saying is that it shouldn't be a surprise for Benintendi to have great stats in A+, and we need to see him perform in AA to be sure. He even says he wouldn't be surprised if he were a superstar.
This wasn't a knock on Benintendi's status, just a fairly standard statement about A+ stats for college players.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 20:22:53 GMT -5
Law has been wrong a lot. Am I saying he's an idiot? No. Is he a top analyst to me? No. The people at BA and BP are the people I respect the most as analyst. Look at what Law said. He firsts covers himself saying "He might be a superstar - it wouldn't really surprise me at all" to cover himself and then he minimizes everything Benintendi has done. Covering himself completely. Which doesn't impress me. He's not projecting anything or even giving an opinion essentially. And no, a lot of top college hitting prospects do not dominate high A ball. Certainly not at the numbers Benintendi is putting up and has been putting up for over a year now both in college and in the minors. Solid, consistent numbers with high average, high OBP and pop. I'd like to see Benintendi take the ball to left field more. I sense that maybe he is lofting a lot of fly balls to dead center, hitting the ball off the end of the bat maybe as he still is trying to pull it. I can't tell definitely from the data I have available as he could just be very unlucky and maybe he's hitting line drives to center field but look at his chart. Most of his hits and power is coming still from pulling the ball. All the triples essentially. Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2937/andrew-benintendi#ixzz47pjzBPYf |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 20:29:09 GMT -5
"He has been wrong a lot" says " the Lavarnway guy". Spoken like a guy who has lost probably every argument with me so far. A sore loser sniping from the sidelines. Even calling me a racist in a PM. I suffer people like you out of necessity but I was one of the first to project Benintendi as our #1 and so far I have been right. When the consensus had him at #5, I had him #1. The guys who make such comments are consistently the same guys who lost arguments to me earlier. The very same guys who got it wrong. |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 20:32:25 GMT -5
Benintendi's K / walk ratio and all the other numbers are so outstanding that he has to be one of the top draft picks we have had in many years. When we factor in the college year he had also what is not to like about him? He's even at least average on defense and how many times can you get a young bat like that who is good on D also? This kid is my new #1 already. Look at how many times we have drafted supposedly the best "college bat" and he ended up being mediocre by the time he reached Lowell, let alone anything above that. We should expect the #7 pick to put up great numbers right from the start, especially if they are a college player. He has hit with a lot of power already, shown a tremendous approach and has almost 2 walks for every strike out? This kid sure looks for real. And from all appearances from the videos and reports I've seen, his coaches and teammates love this young guy. Thank God we landed this guy. He looks like he is toying with pitchers at this level. Like it isn't even a challenge for him. I'd like to see him work a little on taking the ball to the opposite field more but this kid looks like the total package. www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150821&content_id=144584542&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milbI had him as my number 1 LAST AUGUST. Ridicule that. |
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Post by burythehammer on May 5, 2016 20:39:24 GMT -5
"He has been wrong a lot" says " the Lavarnway guy". Spoken like a guy who has lost probably every argument with me so far Name one. |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 20:41:19 GMT -5
Spoken like a guy who has lost probably every argument with me so far Name one. I don't have the time or inclination to waste time discussing anything with you. You give me no respect...you get none back. You started it. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 5, 2016 21:00:36 GMT -5
A whole lot of college players have done miserably in high A. I'm not buying it. Look how many "top college bats" didn't produce in A ball. There are a lot of them. For Benintendi to have the most extra base hits in minor league baseball so far this year, on top of his year last year, all systems are go. Does it look like Benintendi will implode going forward? No. it sure doesn't. Look at the details. More triples than K's. Law is a harvard guy right with some front office experience. He knows a lot of prospects will implode at the AA and AA level but Benintendi sure doesn't look like one given the data we have already compiled on him. It's just law covering his behind, trying to look as smart as his credentials. He has been wrong a lot. He's channeling his Lars Anderson projection. "He might be a superstar - it wouldn't really surprise me at all" - Keith Law on Andrew Benintendi, if you missed it. |
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Post by burythehammer on May 5, 2016 21:18:41 GMT -5
Why does Law hate Benintendi? Does he have something against baseball rats? Is he confusing them with literal rats?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 22:08:07 GMT -5
Law didn't take a stand at all. Maybe you missed that. He covered his behind completely for whatever way Benintendi ends up. Does he like him or not? Who knows because he completely hedged his bet. In contrast, look at what NESN and Baseball America said last winter: "Baseball America editor-in-chief John Manuel, managing editor J.J. Cooper and assistant editor Hudson Belinsky recently spoke with scouting directors and other scouting/player development personnel from all 30 Major League Baseball clubs to break down each team’s 2015 draft classes. Based on that research, Benintendi landed atop several categories that reflect the 21-year-old’s immense potential. Benintendi was named the draft class’ “Best Pure Hitter,” edging Alex Bregman and Dansby Swanson, who were selected No. 2 and No. 1 overall, respectively. The Red Sox’s first-round draft pick was ranked No. 2 in the “Best Power Hitter” category and No. 4 in the “Best Athlete” category. Benintendi also had the best professional debut of any college or junior college player selected in this year’s draft, according to Baseball America. He’s currently the closest to the majors of any college player picked in 2015, per the publication." Read more at: nesn.com/2015/10/red-soxs-andrew-benintendi-draws-high-praise-in-baseball-america-poll/They didn't hedge their bet like Law did. They made a projection. Took a stand. |
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Post by nomar on May 5, 2016 22:08:48 GMT -5
Why does Law hate Benintendi? Does he have something against baseball rats? Is he confusing them with literal rats? Benintendi is too short to be a starter long term. |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 22:11:43 GMT -5
It's funny, Keith Law is only a bum when he's down on one of our prospects. When he's high on them, no one says a thing. For the record, I don't think Law is a bum. I just think analysts should generally make a call one way or the other. To me the comment was CYA all the way. |
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Post by thursty on May 5, 2016 22:27:36 GMT -5
You realize it was a chat, right?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2016 22:45:07 GMT -5
I actually like Law but he didn't say squat. It's ok if he doesn't project him well but I expect these guys to have an opinion, especially with a top guy like Benintendi. Benintendi is consistently tearing up A ball getting at least one hit almost every game and tons of 2 and 3 hit games. Baseball America had him as the closest college draftee to the majors even last year, and this year he has done nothing but confirm that. Law should have a stronger opinion at this point. Benintendi is not just another good college bat. BA had him as the "best pure hitter" in last year's draft. That warrants more than just a wait and see comment for him to get to AA before having a projection.
I have no problem with the Sox taking it slow with Benintendi. I want the best 6 years of control we can possibly get out of him. I want to be careful with him and prepare him fully, but I'm confident in his future.
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Post by telson13 on May 5, 2016 23:27:43 GMT -5
"He has been wrong a lot" says " the Lavarnway guy". Spoken like a guy who has lost probably every argument with me so far. A sore loser sniping from the sidelines. Even calling me a racist in a PM. I suffer people like you out of necessity but I was one of the first to project Benintendi as our #1 and so far I have been right. When the consensus had him at #5, I had him #1. The guys who make such comments are consistently the same guys who lost arguments to me earlier. The very same guys who got it wrong. I think Moncada has a fair claim to that spot right now as well. And if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas. Benintendi isn't hitting HR like you predicted (although Salem in the spring surely isn't helping), and he's playing in a league roughly equivalent to the SEC. Please, stop patting yourself on the back, at least until he rakes in AA. I love his potential too, and have since he popped on the draft scene, but he hasn't been tested yet. |
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Post by nomar on May 5, 2016 23:43:28 GMT -5
Not much in terms of substance, but this thread was hilarious tonight.
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Post by telson13 on May 5, 2016 23:57:11 GMT -5
It's not unique for like, a 16 year old playing with little leaguers. Or Mookie when he was in Salem: K% 8.1% with a .211 Iso  Well, Beni does have significant advantages in ISO and K rate, but Mookie was two years younger, and he walked a lot more. Either way, that's going to be a helluvan OF come August or so. |
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Post by telson13 on May 6, 2016 0:03:22 GMT -5
Not much in terms of substance, but this thread was hilarious tonight. Any thread that goes all the way to "you started it" is bound to entertain. |
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