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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2016 16:51:11 GMT -5
Oh it makes sense. Higher level prospects get treated differently all the time. There is also a consideration to how a player will adjust to a new level. Is it easier to adjust to AA straight out of spring in terrible weather conditions or in mid/late May after success in high A and good weather conditions? Yes In Boston he will have to play in cold weather but again the chances of his first exposure to Boston being in the cold are remote. Plus the kid is from Ohio, surely he played some ball in HS and that might be a little bit on the cold side. Do we actually need to go to weather history to find out if he had to play in the 30's and 40's? Everyone plays worse in the cold if the sample size is big enough.
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2016 16:53:27 GMT -5
I guess it is different now from 2014 when Mookie started the year in Portland. If weather is a factor it is way down the list, as Brian said. Mookie had already raked in Salem in 2013, unlike Benintendi and Moncada.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 2, 2016 18:15:22 GMT -5
I guess it is different now from 2014 when Mookie started the year in Portland. If weather is a factor it is way down the list, as Brian said. Mookie had already raked in Salem in 2013, unlike Benintendi and Moncada. So what you are saying is Benny wasn't ready for AA and needed a pitstop in Salem?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 2, 2016 19:07:58 GMT -5
Mookie had already raked in Salem in 2013, unlike Benintendi and Moncada. So what you are saying is Benny wasn't ready for AA and needed a pitstop in Salem? I speak common sense. It's much wiser to take a normal approach to promoting prospects. Let them succeed at a level before promoting them. Instead of putting them at levels where soxprospects posters think they should be.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 2, 2016 19:50:28 GMT -5
Weather being an issue in where Benintendi is placed and some of you call me crazy? That is ridiculous. They put him in High A because they want to manage this guy's development and confidence conservatively and when he does come up they want him to succeed in big market ball. This is the Red sox organization and we are wondering why they are following the same development path decisions they have used for at least the last 10 years. Go figure.
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Post by jimed14 on May 3, 2016 6:04:47 GMT -5
Mookie had already raked in Salem in 2013, unlike Benintendi and Moncada. So what you are saying is Benny wasn't ready for AA and needed a pitstop in Salem? I'm saying that they weren't going to make Mookie repeat Salem and that it's not a big deal to let Benintendi and Moncada play in Salem for about a month until Portland warms up.
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Post by deepjohn on May 3, 2016 13:27:09 GMT -5
Speier writes about Benintendi in his 108 Stitches that "there’s a very real chance that his promotion to Double A Portland could occur this month – perhaps even as soon as next week" Subscribe here: pages.email.bostonglobe.com/108StitchesSignUp/
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Post by telson13 on May 3, 2016 16:16:05 GMT -5
Weather being an issue in where Benintendi is placed and some of you call me crazy? That is ridiculous. They put him in High A because they want to manage this guy's development and confidence conservatively and when he does come up they want him to succeed in big market ball. This is the Red sox organization and we are wondering why they are following the same development path decisions they have used for at least the last 10 years. Go figure. I agree 100%. I think they'll promote him aggressively, but wanted to be a little conservative at the start.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on May 3, 2016 17:43:16 GMT -5
20 game hit streak.
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Post by templeusox on May 3, 2016 19:39:47 GMT -5
Weather being an issue in where Benintendi is placed and some of you call me crazy? That is ridiculous. They put him in High A because they want to manage this guy's development and confidence conservatively and when he does come up they want him to succeed in big market ball. This is the Red sox organization and we are wondering why they are following the same development path decisions they have used for at least the last 10 years. Go figure. Hmmmm.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 4, 2016 6:15:28 GMT -5
I'm really not sure what the big deal is or why you need weather-related reasons for Benintendi's placement. Have the Red Sox ever had a prospect skip A+ level entirely? I can't remember it. They like to have guys conquer a level before moving on, but they've been fairly aggressive about what that means and when to move guys up. Benintendi needed to conquer A+, and I'm sure they'll be aggressive (like, next week) in promoting him. Playing in Salem for five weeks isn't going to hold back his development at all.
I guess you could look back and think he should've been placed in Greenville originally then promoted to Salem last year after ripping up the SAL league, which would start him off in AA this year. But, again, it's just a few weeks difference.
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Post by room106 on May 4, 2016 19:16:28 GMT -5
And as quickly as that the streak is at 22 games with triple #7.
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Post by stevedillard on May 4, 2016 19:19:25 GMT -5
I remember when he still had the speed to turn those into homers.
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Post by deepjohn on May 4, 2016 20:02:02 GMT -5
Tony Conigliaro? 83 games in A at 18, skip to MLB at 19.
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Post by Guidas on May 4, 2016 21:00:58 GMT -5
If they promote him now based on this small sample and perceived talent, then Moncada and Dubon should come along, as well.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 4, 2016 21:08:27 GMT -5
If they promote him now based on this small sample and perceived talent, then Moncada and Dubon should come along, as well. Moncada's hitting, sure, but he needs some time defensively, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay down in A+ ... but then, I wouldn't be that surprised to see him promoted, either.
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Post by templeusox on May 4, 2016 21:09:58 GMT -5
If they promote him now based on this small sample and perceived talent, then Moncada and Dubon should come along, as well. Moncada will be promoted soon thereafter. Dubon is one of the emptiest .330 hitters you'll see.
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Post by nomar on May 4, 2016 21:17:09 GMT -5
Tony Conigliaro? 83 games in A at 18, skip to MLB at 19. Pour one out. My grandpa is still not over Conigliaro's injury.
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Post by Guidas on May 4, 2016 21:23:57 GMT -5
Even Longhi if we're using the same criteria/
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Post by radiohix on May 4, 2016 22:13:22 GMT -5
In more than 100 PAs, he's striking out in less than 6% (!!!!!!) while hitting with an Isolated Power of nearly .300! That combination is pretty unique.
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Post by ericmvan on May 5, 2016 0:11:48 GMT -5
Tony Conigliaro? 83 games in A at 18, skip to MLB at 19. At the time, pre-draft, the crazy rules required first-year players like him to be put on the 40-man roster or be subject to a draft (the Sox got Reggie Smith and Sparky Lyle that way, while losing Amos Otis), and in Tony C's year, in a last-ditch effort to prevent the rich teams from signing and hoarding all the best latent, they required all but one of the players so protected to be kept on the MLB roster*. (An earlier version of this "bonus rule" was why Koufax never pitched in the minors; I think that the original rule was that you had to keep one guy in MLB and could option the rest, rather than the other way around.) The last guy or two on most MLB benches and bullpens in '64 and '65 were thus nobodies who never played, and lost a year of development. Guys as old as me will remember the immortal Pete Charton and Dave Gray, the other two such guys on the '64 Sox. (The "designated optioned player" that year was Tony Horton, who got recalled at the end of July when Tony C got hurt.) So Tony C was going to be on the MLB roster regardless; I think that in ST they decided he should start in LF rather than rust on the bench and then be sent down for more seasoning. *Or passed through waivers at the end of ST, which of course is the same as leaving them unprotected in the first place. Rico Petrocelli appears to have done so.
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Post by burythehammer on May 5, 2016 4:41:25 GMT -5
In more than 100 PAs, he's striking out in less than 6% (!!!!!!) while hitting with an Isolated Power of nearly .300! That combination is pretty unique. It's not unique for like, a 16 year old playing with little leaguers.
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Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 10:19:10 GMT -5
In more than 100 PAs, he's striking out in less than 6% (!!!!!!) while hitting with an Isolated Power of nearly .300! That combination is pretty unique. It's not unique for like, a 16 year old playing with little leaguers. Or Mookie when he was in Salem: K% 8.1% with a .211 Iso
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Post by radiohix on May 5, 2016 13:39:00 GMT -5
From Baseball America chat:
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Post by deepjohn on May 5, 2016 13:52:43 GMT -5
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