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Post by kyla13 on Apr 30, 2016 16:36:14 GMT -5
When the Red Sox decision makers finally end this month-long nightmare and moves Nintendo Man to Portland, I won't even treat it as a "promotion". It will be more like a "correction" as he should have started the year in AA.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Apr 30, 2016 23:39:37 GMT -5
When the Red Sox decision makers finally end this month-long nightmare and moves Nintendo Man to Portland, I won't even treat it as a "promotion". It will be more like a "correction" as he should have started the year in AA. Totally agreed. He should have started in AA. He may need some seasoning in minor league but AAA is the best place to learn.
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Post by larrycook on May 1, 2016 0:45:03 GMT -5
Wasn't the weather in the mid to high 20's the other night in Portland?
Maybe another week in high a ball might be called for.
I would hate for his swing to get messed up he to uncontrollable shivering.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 13:46:17 GMT -5
Wasn't the weather in the mid to high 20's the other night in Portland? Maybe another week in high a ball might be called for. I would hate for his swing to get messed up he to uncontrollable shivering. Sarcasm?
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Post by threeifbaerga on May 1, 2016 22:24:10 GMT -5
Yeah I get that these guys are baseball players and should be tough and all but it's pretty common knowledge that exercising in the cold significantly increases risk of muscle injury. I would think even more so in baseball where so many of the actions are taking place in random bursts - chasing fly balls, throwing from the outfield, diving on grounders, etc.
Spending a month and a half in Salem, Virginia isn't going to have as adverse an effect on a players season as a hamstring strain will.
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Post by larrycook on May 1, 2016 22:32:17 GMT -5
Yeah I get that these guys are baseball players and should be tough and all but it's pretty common knowledge that exercising in the cold significantly increases risk of muscle injury. I would think even more so in baseball where so many of the actions are taking place in random bursts - chasing fly balls, throwing from the outfield, diving on grounders, etc. Spending a month and a half in Salem, Virginia isn't going to have as adverse an effect on a players season as a hamstring strain will. Exactly!
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Post by sibbysisti on May 1, 2016 22:52:54 GMT -5
I don't get it. It's potentially harmful for Moncada and/or Benintendi to be promoted to Portland because of the early spring weather, but it's not a problem for Wendell Rijo, Teddy Stankiewicz or Ty Buttry to play there. Or any other prospect. Is it because Yoan and Benny are higher ranked prospects?
The only Eastern League playing below the Mason-Dixon Line is Richmond. So the rest of the league can't play there until mid May. Maybe that league should be short season like Lowell and the NY/Penn league.
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Post by burythehammer on May 2, 2016 5:18:01 GMT -5
Last time I checked it's not exactly toasty in Boston in April/May, which is where Benintendi is going to be spending his next 6 springs (at least). I think it's okay if, y'know, he gets a taste of it before he's playing games that count.
I will say I don't think this is as big a concern for the Red Sox as it is for some posters here.
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Post by mgoetze on May 2, 2016 6:22:01 GMT -5
I don't get it. It's potentially harmful for Moncada and/or Benintendi to be promoted to Portland because of the early spring weather, but it's not a problem for ...them to get called up and then play in the frigid environs of Boston in October? Yeah, I don't get it either.
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2016 6:44:56 GMT -5
They're putting their best prospects in the best position to succeed. That's all it is.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 2, 2016 7:32:24 GMT -5
They're putting their best prospects in the best position to succeed. That's all it is. This board frowns upon common sense.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2016 8:01:12 GMT -5
They have been conservative with Benintendi considering he was s D1 college player but that's not a bad thing. This is a guy who is less then a year from being drafted. It's going to be ok. He will be in Portland in the not to distant future and AA is the Boston doorstep. I don't want to say there are plenty if guys who skip AAA but there are quite a few and plenty that don't spend much of any time there. In any event, if he keeps playing this way he's going to be in Boston by next summer. Same time frame as if he started in AA. Having success and gaining confidence is not a bad thing.
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Post by jchang on May 2, 2016 8:34:28 GMT -5
I really don't believe Beni was placed in Salem because of concern about the cold in Portland. It is also ridiculous how people are trying to conceive aggressive placement strategies to get a top prospects to the majors as quick as possible. The smell of baking cookies might be irresistible, but you still gotta wait till the process is done. I am inclined to believe that few prospects have been harmed with a slightly conservative development and that many have been harmed with overly aggressive placement. Wily Mo comes to mind.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 2, 2016 8:43:14 GMT -5
Placement and promotion can't realistically be affected by weather considerations. Just doesn't make sense. Red sox players and every player assigned to Portland or Pawtuckett are dealing with the same thing. If players make it far enough they all have to deal with it. Imagine the political problems if players felt that was true. One guy gets sent to Salem the other one gets sent to Portland, players bellyaching about where they are sent based on the cold. It would be the same thing as sitting a top prospect because it happens to be a real cold night down south. Just to protect him from a possible muscle strain. Is it better for an elite player like Benny to have never experienced it until he is expected to perform in Boston? I don't think so.
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Post by Gwell55 on May 2, 2016 8:54:40 GMT -5
They have been conservative with Benintendi considering he was s D1 college player but that's not a bad thing. This is a guy who is less then a year from being drafted. It's going to be ok. He will be in Portland in the not to distant future and AA is the Boston doorstep. I don't want to say there are plenty if guys who skip AAA but there are quite a few and plenty that don't spend much of any time there. In any event, if he keeps playing this way he's going to be in Boston by next summer. Same time frame as if he started in AA. Having success and gaining confidence is not a bad thing. I agree with this, if we look at another top outfielder (Ellsbury 05 in Lowell), he came up to A+ - AA in his second season... Then by June of 07 he saw limited action in Boston. I believe the system in place here hasn't really changed that much and will dictate that type of learning situation for Benintendi.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2016 9:04:11 GMT -5
Placement and promotion can't realistically be affected by weather considerations. Just doesn't make sense. Red sox players and every player assigned to Portland or Pawtuckett are dealing with the same thing. If players make it far enough they all have to deal with it. Imagine the political problems if players felt that was true. One guy gets sent to Salem the other one gets sent to Portland, players bellyaching about where they are sent based on the cold. It would be the same thing as sitting a top prospect because it happens to be a real cold night down south. Just to protect him from a possible muscle strain. Is it better for an elite player like Benny to have never experienced it until he is expected to perform in Boston? I don't think so. Oh it makes sense. Higher level prospects get treated differently all the time. There is also a consideration to how a player will adjust to a new level. Is it easier to adjust to AA straight out of spring in terrible weather conditions or in mid/late May after success in high A and good weather conditions? Yes In Boston he will have to play in cold weather but again the chances of his first exposure to Boston being in the cold are remote.
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Post by Gwell55 on May 2, 2016 9:14:57 GMT -5
Placement and promotion can't realistically be affected by weather considerations. Just doesn't make sense. Red sox players and every player assigned to Portland or Pawtuckett are dealing with the same thing. If players make it far enough they all have to deal with it. Imagine the political problems if players felt that was true. One guy gets sent to Salem the other one gets sent to Portland, players bellyaching about where they are sent based on the cold. It would be the same thing as sitting a top prospect because it happens to be a real cold night down south. Just to protect him from a possible muscle strain. Is it better for an elite player like Benny to have never experienced it until he is expected to perform in Boston? I don't think so. Oh it makes sense. Higher level prospects get treated differently all the time. There is also a consideration to how a player will adjust to a new level. Is it easier to adjust to AA straight out of spring in terrible weather conditions or in mid/late May after success in high A and good weather conditions? Yes In Boston he will have to play in cold weather but again the chances of his first exposure to Boston being in the cold are remote. Plus the kid is from Ohio, surely he played some ball in HS and that might be a little bit on the cold side. Do we actually need to go to weather history to find out if he had to play in the 30's and 40's?
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 2, 2016 9:38:27 GMT -5
I think it's possible to believe that the early season cold weather in Portland is *a* factor without putting too much weight on it, either. I mean, Moncada deserves to be in Salem for his defense alone, but I could see someone saying, "plus, keeps him out of Portland in April" at the end of the discussion in the Sox offices, and everyone nodding their heads.
But, climatic considerations aside, it's really not some sort of crime against humanity to start Benintendi in Salem for a few weeks to see how he does. I'm firmly convinced he's ready for a promotion, but there's no harm in making him earn it first and probably some benefit.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 2, 2016 9:45:59 GMT -5
I think it's possible to believe that the early season cold weather in Portland is *a* factor without putting too much weight on it, either. I mean, Moncada deserves to be in Salem for his defense alone, but I could see someone saying, "plus, keeps him out of Portland in April" at the end of the discussion in the Sox offices, and everyone nodding their heads. But, climatic considerations aside, it's really not some sort of crime against humanity to start Benintendi in Salem for a few weeks to see how he does. I'm firmly convinced he's ready for a promotion, but there's no harm in making him earn it first and probably some benefit. Agree on Benny being from Ohio, this would not be a shock for him to play in Portland. I do think with Moncada growing up in Cuba & probably has never seen been in anything under 55 degree weather in his life, should be weened a bit than just throwing him into 35 degree games. With the new clothing technologies though (cold weather gear), I don't think even he will have a problem going forward.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 2, 2016 10:10:32 GMT -5
They're putting their best prospects in the best position to succeed. That's all it is. This board frowns upon common sense. Obviously the last administration had no common sense either because it sent Mookie to Portland, Pawtucket and Boston at age 21. And Bogaerts to Portland at age 20. Brrrrr..
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Post by nomar on May 2, 2016 10:16:47 GMT -5
I think it's possible to believe that the early season cold weather in Portland is *a* factor without putting too much weight on it, either. I mean, Moncada deserves to be in Salem for his defense alone, but I could see someone saying, "plus, keeps him out of Portland in April" at the end of the discussion in the Sox offices, and everyone nodding their heads. But, climatic considerations aside, it's really not some sort of crime against humanity to start Benintendi in Salem for a few weeks to see how he does. I'm firmly convinced he's ready for a promotion, but there's no harm in making him earn it first and probably some benefit. Agreed. But everyone please keep arguing about how big of a factor this is when none of us even know with any certainty. Really productive stuff.
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Post by costpet on May 2, 2016 10:37:05 GMT -5
I grew up in Maine (Gardiner) and was a high school pitcher. I remember it taking forever to warm up. I also remember piles of snow on the sidelines. That's probably why there are so few MBL players from that state. You have a much better chance if you grew up in CA or FL where you can play all year round. Weather does affect how you play and how long you can play.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 2, 2016 11:31:11 GMT -5
I guess it is different now from 2014 when Mookie started the year in Portland. If weather is a factor it is way down the list, as Brian said.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 2, 2016 15:44:01 GMT -5
This board frowns upon common sense. Obviously the last administration had no common sense either because it sent Mookie to Portland, Pawtucket and Boston at age 21. And Bogaerts to Portland at age 20. Brrrrr.. Are you forgetting time in A ball? BBRRRRRRRRRR
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Post by telson13 on May 2, 2016 16:21:20 GMT -5
Obviously the last administration had no common sense either because it sent Mookie to Portland, Pawtucket and Boston at age 21. And Bogaerts to Portland at age 20. Brrrrr.. Are you forgetting time in A ball? BBRRRRRRRRRR No, both started their final minor league seasons in Portland. That was his point. Regardless of whether it was weather (heh heh) or experience, or whatever, I have no issue with a conservative start for Benintendi, as long as they are willing to promote him aggressively.
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